EQ plus primo..

[theworm]

anyone ever try it?

seems like one of the best stacks as to avoid hair loss/acne/gyno!  any comments on this?

[theworm]

plus, no need to an anti-estrogen....

[theworm]

many sites seems to like EQ by itself:

600mg x 2weeks, 400 x 12 more weeks, seems to be pretty effective, with no gyno, no acne, and no hair loss.   

[4thAD]

I would not run anything without a test base. Most will not get away with it without unwanted sides.

[Beener]

just started some eq..fuck i love this shit its so awesome.  though i have not tried primo so i guess i really have nothing relevant to add to this thread, sorry guys! 

[WillGrant]

I like primo but find it best at 800mg a week for me , It is very dear unfortunatly and 4th is right test is your friend...some guys can run cycles without test but they tend to be a minority 

[theworm]

ok, what about
400EQ weekly, and only 250 test E?  all for 10 weeks.

[theworm]

advice on the following,,,

whats better, the above, or an oral tbol cycle for 6-8 weeks alone?

[WillGrant]

ok, what about
400EQ weekly, and only 250 test E?  all for 10 weeks.

Well the theory is ,when you use other aas type drugs other than testosterone you are going to shut yourself down hard..All the horrible sides you get with low to no testosterone like low or no sex drive,no or floppy erections ,lack of drive and the list goes on..you need to at least have a replacement dose in your system.
250mg a week in most cases should be enough,but I always run test at a higher dose to other compounds .Though I did run primo @ 800mg and Test E @ 500mg and got some nice lean gains.

I prefer nandralone to EQ if its pure mass you are chasing? EQ needs to be run for quite a long period to get the really good gains that it can produce , 15 - 20 weeks ,well that is what I found in my case.

[WillGrant]

advice on the following,,,

whats better, the above, or an oral tbol cycle for 6-8 weeks alone?

T-BOL  might be ok by itself if you are a female BB 

[Van_Bilderass]

anyone ever try it?

seems like one of the best stacks as to avoid hair loss/acne/gyno!  any comments on this?

If you are extremely afraid of these sides don't do steroids. All steroids can cause these, to different degrees but the risk is still there.

[theworm]

If you are extremely afraid of these sides don't do steroids. All steroids can cause these, to different degrees but the risk is still there.

i know this, but differnt compounds have different side, such as if you are prone to gyno, EQ and tbol produce much less risk of gyno.  its all about minimizing risk.

[4thAD]

No need to really worry about gyno just make sure you have proper ancillaries on hand before you start the cycle. Tbol can cause gyno just as bad as test. Most sides can be combated, or severely diminished with the proper tools and knowledge.

[theworm]

tbol does not cause gyno.  Test definately causes gyno.
As for tbol, fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it NOT highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.


so test causes gyno, and tbol does not.  thats what i am saying that each roid has its own unique benefits and side effects.

[theworm]

T-BOL  might be ok by itself if you are a female BB 

ok, so tbol 50mg for 7 weeks verse:

EQ 600 week 1
EQ 600 week 2
weeks 3-15 400 EQ plus 500 sustanon qweek

Both cycles same price, but i think option number 2 is the way to go!  still with min side effects and good gains...

[4thAD]

tbol does not cause gyno.  Test definately causes gyno.
As for tbol, fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it NOT highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.


so test causes gyno, and tbol does not.  thats what i am saying that each roid has its own unique benefits and side effects.

You are wrong bro because I have personally had very sore nipples from tbol. Ive known people to get gyno from M1T and that is not supposed to aromatize at all. It does not take much to cause gyno for people that are very gyno prone. Why, why, why are you so scared of gyno? We have ancillaries that control and I mean completely knock it out. Its not like you are going to blow up over night and scratch your head in the morning mirror and see Dolly Pardon staring back at you. I think you just need to back away from the key board and really think through what you really want from a cycle. If you want to add some serious size use the tried and true. Test, deca, dbol, and eat like a horse!

[WillGrant]

ok, so tbol 50mg for 7 weeks verse:

EQ 600 week 1
EQ 600 week 2
weeks 3-15 400 EQ plus 500 sustanon qweek

Both cycles same price, but i think option number 2 is the way to go!  still with min side effects and good gains...

Sus and EQ would be my pick from those two options.But I prefer Test E over Sus with a test P front load for 2-3 weeks.

Have your ancillerys at hand just in case..
I always run nolva at 10mg a day during my heavier periods "just in case"

If you eat well ,train hard and rest correctly a cycle of Test/EQ will give you some nice gains , Tbol by itself would not even come close.But if you chucked it in with the Test/EQ it will poteniate your gains even more so..by itself I wouldnt waste my money imo 

[steveeray]

I thought primo was a test?
I might be wrong.

[WillGrant]

I thought primo was a test?
I might be wrong.

DHT Derivative mate

[steveeray]

DHT Derivative mate

 

That's it :0)
Ive never been graced with primo's presence and at 30ish a g
was a little to much for me.
thank you my friend
I knew it was off somewhere

[candidizzle]

ok, so tbol 50mg for 7 weeks verse:

EQ 600 week 1
EQ 600 week 2
weeks 3-15 400 EQ plus 500 sustanon qweek

Both cycles same price, but i think option number 2 is the way to go!  still with min side effects and good gains...

my opinion...... =

keep eq at 600 all the way through and start sustanon day 1...id rather have you on enan or cyp tho..to me sust = shit.. its more expensive and its much less stable delivery into the blood..(but test is test regardless) ...

tbol at 50 mg weeks 16,17,18 then start pct week 19..


hcg all the way though.. start AI 1 day before first injection.. run pct with clomid and hcg and the ai..   

[Van_Bilderass]

tbol does not cause gyno.  Test definately causes gyno.
As for tbol, fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it NOT highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.


so test causes gyno, and tbol does not.  thats what i am saying that each roid has its own unique benefits and side effects.

All steroids can cause gyno, even if they don't aromatize. Whenever there's a hormonal imbalance of sorts there's a risk. Water retention same thing, estrogen isn't the only hormone that causes water retention.

[4thAD]

my opinion...... =

keep eq at 600 all the way through and start sustanon day 1...id rather have you on enan or cyp tho..to me sust = shit.. its more expensive and its much less stable delivery into the blood..(but test is test regardless) ...

tbol at 50 mg weeks 16,17,18 then start pct week 19..


hcg all the way though.. start AI 1 day before first injection.. run pct with clomid and hcg and the ai..   

I would not start the ai util you know it is needed. Some have no need for it.

[candidizzle]

I would not start the ai util you know it is needed. Some have no need for it.

yeah your right. 

my thought process on the subject is that i am injecting testosterone, i want testosteron, not estrogen. so take no chances and keep all that good stuff as good stuff

[WillGrant]

yeah your right. 

my thought process on the subject is that i am injecting testosterone, i want testosteron, not estrogen. so take no chances and keep all that good stuff as good stuff

You need estrogen also just not more than your test