insulin IM injection

[taeyeub]

Wut up guys! I am wondering if i shot insulin IM, should i change a consumption time of meals?
I am using Humalog at 10iu PWO. Experienced users & opinions will be appreciated! thanks

[no one]

i use humalog IM only.

your going to find it'll hit you much faster IM.

usually, i take in my carbs immediately post injection, liquid form and them a whole food meal one hour later.

one thing you will notice is that once you start yourself feeling going low, you'll descend rapidly, so beware of this as well. once you feel like your going low, don't fuck around- get carbs immediately. it seems you descend much more rapidly than you do sub-q.

[Luolamies]

If i ever use it, i'll take it sub-q. I have heard too many horror stories about guys injecting it IM, because they evaluate the onset wrong and get fucked up.

If you are going to do this, carry carbs EVERYWHERE with you.

Good luck.

[taeyeub]

i use humalog IM only.

your going to find it'll hit you much faster IM.

usually, i take in my carbs immediately post injection, liquid form and them a whole food meal one hour later.

one thing you will notice is that once you start yourself feeling going low, you'll descend rapidly, so beware of this as well. once you feel like your going low, don't fuck around- get carbs immediately. it seems you descend much more rapidly than you do sub-q.

I injected slin intramuscularly today right after my legs workout!
Initial reaction was pretty faster than sub-q but didn't really kick my ass off :-p
I guess I am really tolerate at slin... Have you used it higher than 10iu at a time? I will prolly try upper the dose to 15iu...

[no one]

I injected slin intramuscularly today right after my legs workout!
Initial reaction was pretty faster than sub-q but didn't really kick my ass off :-p
I guess I am really tolerate at slin... Have you used it higher than 10iu at a time? I will prolly try upper the dose to 15iu...

i have gone higher upwards of 15 and after much trial and error have found you really don't need to.

truthfully, i see no sense in using more than you need to shuttle the necessary carbs and proteins to the muscle cell. right now i find the perfect amount for me to be 7iu pre and 7 iu post, and that is after years and years of experimenting with it.

going heavier than that, eventhough i take in a substantial amount of calories to begin with makes me go low, so why would i take more, add in yet even more calories and gain unwanted weight, because think what you want- insulin is as calorie dependant as it is carb dependant.

why would you want to go to 15? what is your logic behind this decision? just curious.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

i have gone higher upwards of 15 and after much trial and error have found you really don't need to.

truthfully, i see no sense in using more than you need to shuttle the necessary carbs and proteins to the muscle cell. right now i find the perfect amount for me to be 7iu pre and 7 iu post, and that is after years and years of experimenting with it.

going heavier than that, eventhough i take in a substantial amount of calories to begin with makes me go low, so why would i take more, add in yet even more calories and gain unwanted weight, because think what you want- insulin is as calorie dependant as it is carb dependant.

why would you want to go to 15? what is your logic behind this decision? just curious.

You ever get noticeable long-term side effects from the insulin?  Like elevated baseline blood sugar levels?  "Pre-diabetes"?

[no one]

You ever get noticeable long-term side effects from the insulin?  Like elevated baseline blood sugar levels?  "Pre-diabetes"?

since grade school i have had symptoms of hyperglycemia, hypoglycemia so i can't entirely attribute discrepancies in my blood sugar levels to insulin use solely- in fact i used to suffer from it much more before i started training than after i started, and after i started using insulin for that matter.

it's curious to me though if prolonged insulin use exasperated a previous condition- knowing what i know now about nutrition and having a complete diet as opposed to when i was younger, leaves me wondering if i would have still suffered from it at odd times without having ever used insulin, you know? because having been off insulin for a period of a few months,  every once in a very small while i'll go low- i think it has happened just once since i have been off in the last 4 months.
 
so, combine a preexisting condition for hypoglycemia, and a family history of type 2 diabetes and i can't point the finger at insulin in my own case, not to say others can't

i train with someone who is diabetic and uses insulin to control it. he had used insulin before becoming diabetic as a bodybuilding compound. his doctor told him he couldn't say for certain that previous insulin usage brought on diabetes in his case, or meerly accelerated a predisposition for it.

sorry i couldn't be more definitive.

[candidizzle]

since grade school i have had symptoms of hyperglycemia,

what do you mean .. ?

[PANDAEMONIUM]

since grade school i have had symptoms of hyperglycemia, so i can't entirely attribute discrepancies in my blood sugar levels to insulin use solely- in fact i used to suffer from it much more before i started training than after i started, and after i started using insulin for that matter.

it's curious to me though if prolonged insulin use exasperated a previous condition- knowing what i know now about nutrition and having a complete diet as opposed to when i was younger, leaves me wondering if i would have still suffered from it at odd times without having ever used insulin, you know? because having been off insulin for a period of a few months,  every once in a very small while i'll go low- i think it has happened just once since i have been off in the last 4 months.
 
so, combine a preexisting condition for hypergylcemia, and a family history of type 2 diabetes and i can't point the finger at insulin in my own case, not to say others can't

i train with someone who is diabetic and uses insulin to control it. he had used insulin before becoming diabetic as a bodybuilding compound. his doctor told him he couldn't say for certain that previous insulin usage brought on diabetes in his case, or meerly accelerated a predisposition for it.

sorry i couldn't be more definitive.

Thanks for the detailed response.  I've always been curious about this.  I have a history of diabetes in my family, too.  The past couple of years I've tried to clean up my diet a bit more, e.g. substitute more whole grains for white starches, because a doctor told me I may have a predisposition to diabetes due to my family history.

This seems like one of those things that researchers will be puzzling over for a while longer still.  On one level it makes sense to subscribe to the model of 'artificial' use of insulin hindering the body's natural production of insulin over the long term.  But who knows.  It's at times like this I wish I had gone to medical school so I could actually have a clue here

[Van_Bilderass]

since grade school i have had symptoms of hyperglycemia, so i can't entirely attribute discrepancies in my blood sugar levels to insulin use solely- in fact i used to suffer from it much more before i started training than after i started, and after i started using insulin for that matter.

it's curious to me though if prolonged insulin use exasperated a previous condition- knowing what i know now about nutrition and having a complete diet as opposed to when i was younger, leaves me wondering if i would have still suffered from it at odd times without having ever used insulin, you know? because having been off insulin for a period of a few months, every once in a very small while i'll go low- i think it has happened just once since i have been off in the last 4 months.
 
so, combine a preexisting condition for hypergylcemia, and a family history of type 2 diabetes and i can't point the finger at insulin in my own case, not to say others can't

i train with someone who is diabetic and uses insulin to control it. he had used insulin before becoming diabetic as a bodybuilding compound. his doctor told him he couldn't say for certain that previous insulin usage brought on diabetes in his case, or meerly accelerated a predisposition for it.

sorry i couldn't be more definitive.

You mean you'd go hypoglycemic sometimes? Have you ever tested your BG and it's been high? Steroids can cause hypoglycemic episodes, some like Winstrol especially IME.

Sure, hypoglycemia is sometimes associated with insulin resistance too but the question is if you're truly resistant.

[no one]

what do you mean .. ?

thank you dizzle.- hypoglycemia.

duh.

lol.

[no one]

You mean you'd go hypoglycemic sometimes? Have you ever tested your BG and it's been high? Steroids can cause hypoglycemic episodes, some like Winstrol especially IME.

Sure, hypoglycemia is sometimes associated with insulin resistance too but the question is if you're truly resistant.

i have tested it on several occasions and have always floated around 6 mmol/L (i dunno what that would be in the US but it's high end baseline on the metric scale). i actually got up to take it just now, for curiosities sake, but can't find my glucometer.

truthfully, if were truly concerned about it i would go to the doc and get myself a makeup done, as i'm not too stubborn to do so, but i find my diet keeps it in check and when i do go low, i can usually point the finger to my diet over the last couple of days prior

[no one]

Thanks for the detailed response.  I've always been curious about this.  I have a history of diabetes in my family, too.  The past couple of years I've tried to clean up my diet a bit more, e.g. substitute more whole grains for white starches, because a doctor told me I may have a predisposition to diabetes due to my family history.

This seems like one of those things that researchers will be puzzling over for a while longer still.  On one level it makes sense to subscribe to the model of 'artificial' use of insulin hindering the body's natural production of insulin over the long term.  But who knows.  It's at times like this I wish I had gone to medical school so I could actually have a clue here

i wonder if it (diabetes) was as prevalent in say the 1800's as it seems to be today, with like you say all the white starches.

take a look at pro bodybuilders, guys who have used exogenous insulin as a supplement. i would be curious to know what percentage of those who have used are actually diabetic today after having stopped competing.

i'm sure some will argue it will and others who say it doesn't. but as you say 'who knows', really.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

i wonder if it (diabetes) was as prevalent in say the 1800's as it seems to be today, with like you say all the white starches.

Ya know, that's a great question.  Without having statistics handy (and I'm not sure there are any statistics for this), I'd tend to think that the diabetes "epidemic" today in america is related not only to the obesity problem, but also to diet.  The same might be said, I'd imagine, for all of these weird auto-immune diseases, etc. that seem to be popping up all the time.  I'm sure some or a lot of it is related to environmental factors--e.g., one prominent theory about the cause of MS, or at least ONE cause of it, is over-exposure to radon.

The glycemic index stuff is pretty interesting, and I wonder if that explains anything about the diabetic phenomenon today.  From what I know (not from personal experience, but from a family member), the less serious kind of diabetes can be regulated in part by diet and by careful attention to the glycemic index.  That would lead me to believe that it is also caused by diet, or that diet is a big factor.

This is pretty scary, and I don't know if it's true, but I've read somewhere that with all the white-flour based foods the average American eats today, by the time we're in our early 20s, our intestines are literally coated with a layer of floury-type gunk.

[Van_Bilderass]

Ya know, that's a great question.  Without having statistics handy (and I'm not sure there are any statistics for this), I'd tend to think that the diabetes "epidemic" today in america is related not only to the obesity problem, but also to diet.  The same might be said, I'd imagine, for all of these weird auto-immune diseases, etc. that seem to be popping up all the time.  I'm sure some or a lot of it is related to environmental factors--e.g., one prominent theory about the cause of MS, or at least ONE cause of it, is over-exposure to radon.

The glycemic index stuff is pretty interesting, and I wonder if that explains anything about the diabetic phenomenon today.  From what I know (not from personal experience, but from a family member), the less serious kind of diabetes can be regulated in part by diet and by careful attention to the glycemic index.  That would lead me to believe that it is also caused by diet, or that diet is a big factor.

This is pretty scary, and I don't know if it's true, but I've read somewhere that with all the white-flour based foods the average American eats today, by the time we're in our early 20s, our intestines are literally coated with a layer of floury-type gunk.

Just saw on the news that the clean environments we live in today could be related to the increase in type 1 diabetes in kids. Kids have weak immune systems.

[Van_Bilderass]

i have tested it on several occasions and have always floated around 6 mmol/L (i dunno what that would be in the US but it's high end baseline on the metric scale). i actually got up to take it just now, for curiosities sake, but can't find my glucometer.

That's you fasting reading?

[candidizzle]

im pretty sure the obesity epidemick all the diabetes and all the people with any kind of metabolic disorder.....almost all of it stems from A) consuming staches  B) insufficient and/or poor ratios of the essential lipids

[Van_Bilderass]

A) consuming staches  B) insufficient and/or poor ratios of the essential lipids

Overeating period   

Did you know that protein causes insulin resistance too? It's not just carbs that are evil. 

[candidizzle]

aaaahhhhh   were gonna have to agree to disagree.. because in my mind, no way no how anyone is ever going to get fat by eating proteins healthy fats and veggies and fruits their entire life...

[Van_Bilderass]

aaaahhhhh   were gonna have to agree to disagree.. because in my mind, no way no how anyone is ever going to get fat by eating proteins healthy fats and veggies and fruits their entire life...

I agree that no one is getting obese eating just that. I was just saying that overeating period causes insulin resistance, it's not just the carbs. Say you already eat a crappy diet and add even more protein to that it's not going to improve insulin resistance (and you'll get even fatter lol).

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/51/3/599

Also, replacing carbs with fats can induce insulin resistance as well. The elevation of free fatty acids causes insulin insensitivity.

[candidizzle]

oh yeah i agree with that

it does depend on the kind of fat though. certain fats improve insulin sensitivity while certain ones(most ones) negatively effect it