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Re: VERY GOOD Article. A VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 08:31:34 AM »
I have tried to have a serious debate with many people about why they are voting for Obama....their main answer is "change". When I ask them to explain further, they can't.  I don't know one black person who isn't voting for him (coincidence?) and a majority of people in my age range that aren't cops or military are voting for Obama.

What's funny is that people think that Obama will pull the troops from Iraq and their son/brother/husband will not be deployed ever again but they fail to realize that Obama has peacekeeping missions planned, like in Darfur, for all the soldiers and we saw how well that worked in Somalia and Kosovo.

I'm not a big fan of McCain either but I'm not planning on turning this country into a socialist entity.

it will be a change - a white president to a black one  ::)
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Re: VERY GOOD Article. A VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2008, 08:32:07 AM »
didn't you hear that radio show? where they when to brooklyn or the bronx and asked who the local black population would be voting? desite mixing up policys, the all said obama  ::)

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2008, 08:34:28 AM »
now the mega mega nasty politics will start... as if it couldn't get any worse, I know.  Expect a huge news event to shift the headlines later today or tomorrow.

Sounds like NKorea's leader may have kicked the bucket.

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Re: VERY GOOD Article. A VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008, 08:40:20 AM »
This was completely predictable.

RACE trumps everything, including common sense.

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Will you please explain to him that the fear this event has caused is about something bigger than race.

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Re: VERY GOOD Article. A VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2008, 08:41:09 AM »


that was a well educated, well spoken young black male, who is a credit to his race and gives real reasons why he is voting for Obama.

However his father is a peadiatrician, and i doubt he lives in a ghetto.  ::)

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Re: COLIN POWELL GETS IT! (on Muslim hatred within his party)
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2008, 09:15:41 AM »
I work for and with Muslims in Afghanistan. Great people and they pay me well. Something I cant get in the U.S. Guess the guys in that party think all Christains are good people and would never harm anyone.  ::) Your religion race or nationality does not dictate your ability to do whats right or wrong.
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Re: COLIN POWELL GETS IT! (on Muslim hatred within his party)
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2008, 09:27:22 AM »
Powell is the most intelligent republican I can think of.  He left the Bush Administration becasue of the shady antics.  Done be surprised if Powell joines Obamas cabinet.  Powell is the most respected person world wide in our military history...

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2008, 09:28:20 AM »
Something you guys that think its a color issue will fail to realise... Not that I am suprised on GetBig

Blacks are still a minority
Very few blacks vote
Very few blacks believe there will be a black president
Blacks have problems with each other that only blacks understand which would also prevent voting for Obama

Sad that people tend to focus on color rather than the fact that the man truely outshines McCain as a possible president

This being said by a dark skinned gentlemen...
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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2008, 09:32:33 AM »
Something you guys that think its a color issue will fail to realise... Not that I am suprised on GetBig

Blacks are still a minority
Very few blacks vote
Very few blacks believe there will be a black president
Blacks have problems with each other that only blacks understand which would also prevent voting for Obama

Sad that people tend to focus on color rather than the fact that the man truely outshines McCain as a possible president

This being said by a dark skinned gentlemen...

i agree, but this does not change the fact that the majority of blacks are voting for obama because he is black.
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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2008, 09:43:06 AM »
i agree, but this does not change the fact that the majority of blacks are voting for obama because he is black.

Same reason why some whites are voting against him.

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2008, 09:46:13 AM »
Same reason why some whites are voting against him.

i would say there are more blacks voting for obama because he's black, than there are whites voting for mccain because he's white.
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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2008, 09:51:59 AM »
i agree, but this does not change the fact that the majority of blacks are voting for obama because he is black.
The number voting for Obama is only about 10 percent higher than the normal number of blacks that vote for dems.  If there were some valid reason why blacks should switch parties to vote for McCain and were not because McCain is white then I would see the point...  In the primary Blacks primarily supported Clinton early on and Obama had to convince them to switch...

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2008, 10:30:35 AM »
The number voting for Obama is only about 10 percent higher than the normal number of blacks that vote for dems.  If there were some valid reason why blacks should switch parties to vote for McCain and were not because McCain is white then I would see the point...  In the primary Blacks primarily supported Clinton early on and Obama had to convince them to switch...

True... Hillary was my pick. These guys just dont get it.
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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2008, 10:33:20 AM »
i would say there are more blacks voting for obama because he's black, than there are whites voting for mccain because he's white.

Guess I will say it again... blacks are a minority as well as all the other points I mentioned
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Re: COLIN POWELL GETS IT! (on Muslim hatred within his party)
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2008, 10:37:16 AM »
Ok now u love Powell, he's the greatest right, yet u hate the war in Iraq. Powell made the case for war, in front of the UN. He had the slides showing the WMD locations right? I guess that doesn't matter to u because that doesn't fit into ur nice little picture huh? U libs want it both ways on every issue.
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Re: COLIN POWELL GETS IT! (on Muslim hatred within his party)
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2008, 10:38:59 AM »
Ok now u love Powell, he's the greatest right, yet u hate the war in Iraq. Powell made the case for war, in front of the UN. He had the slides showing the WMD locations right? I guess that doesn't matter to u because that doesn't fit into ur nice little picture huh? U libs want it both ways on every issue.

HH - your logic is truly bizzaro

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2008, 10:46:28 AM »
Huge coup for Obama.  I listened to his interview.  Very thoughtful.  Colin Powell is a great American. 

A couple of the things that will probably not get much play are (1) his reaffirmation of the decision to go into Iraq, but saying we didn't do it right (my sentiments exactly) and (2) his repeated statements that both men would make good presidents. 

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Re: COLIN POWELL GETS IT! (on Muslim hatred within his party)
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2008, 10:59:34 AM »
Ok now u love Powell, he's the greatest right, yet u hate the war in Iraq. Powell made the case for war, in front of the UN. He had the slides showing the WMD locations right? I guess that doesn't matter to u because that doesn't fit into ur nice little picture huh? U libs want it both ways on every issue.
Powell has admitted his grave mistake.  It pains him greatly that he bears the burden of many lives lost.  It pains him greatly that others in his party would not listen after the war was proven to be a farce.  I have read a few interviews with Powell as well as Bob Woodward`s book and it is clear to see where the rifts are in the Bush Administration and the Republican party. Rationalists vs Stubbornists.  Powell wants to see the war brought to a close.  Powell thought the intelligence that he was given was legit and sound only to find that it was all a pack of lies.  He resigned and admitted the grave error.  This speaks volumes of the man`s integrity and character.  Scott Mclellan also showed this kind of integrity and character.  Admit your mistakes, recognize an injustice even if it is within your own party.

I have always respected Powell. 

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2008, 11:31:54 AM »
i would say there are more blacks voting for obama because he's black, than there are whites voting for mccain because he's white.

Actually no, the numbers work in McCains favour - run them yourself and see. With most studies having 30% of whites saying they won't vote for a black man, the meager 12% total black population of the USA is not enough mathematically speaking to overcome that even if they vote 100% as a block with 100% turnout, they can't overcome the sheer numbers. On matters of racial voting whether real or perceived, large beats small - pretty simple. Also, feel free to look back at past elections, and see the landslide 90% and higher of the black vote that most dem prez had in the past. And of course they were all white, blacks tend to vote dem simple.

But never let facts get in the way lol.


Huge coup for Obama.  I listened to his interview.  Very thoughtful.  Colin Powell is a great American. 

A couple of the things that will probably not get much play are (1) his reaffirmation of the decision to go into Iraq, but saying we didn't do it right (my sentiments exactly) and (2) his repeated statements that both men would make good presidents. 


Thanks BB, feel free to expand, I know you think highly of Powell was interested to see what you thought.

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2008, 01:08:42 PM »
Actually no, the numbers work in McCains favour - run them yourself and see. With most studies having 30% of whites saying they won't vote for a black man, the meager 12% total black population of the USA is not enough mathematically speaking to overcome that even if they vote 100% as a block with 100% turnout, they can't overcome the sheer numbers. On matters of racial voting whether real or perceived, large beats small - pretty simple. Also, feel free to look back at past elections, and see the landslide 90% and higher of the black vote that most dem prez had in the past. And of course they were all white, blacks tend to vote dem simple.

But never let facts get in the way lol.




but its not only blacks that will be voting for obama, there are white too, who are educated on what he stands for, agree with his policies and feel he's the 2nd coming of jesus christ.

people should vote because they like the policies, not because they are the same colour. On seeing countless interviews it seems they ARE voting purely on the colour of his skin.  :-\
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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2008, 06:09:21 PM »
Actually no, the numbers work in McCains favour - run them yourself and see. With most studies having 30% of whites saying they won't vote for a black man, the meager 12% total black population of the USA is not enough mathematically speaking to overcome that even if they vote 100% as a block with 100% turnout, they can't overcome the sheer numbers. On matters of racial voting whether real or perceived, large beats small - pretty simple. Also, feel free to look back at past elections, and see the landslide 90% and higher of the black vote that most dem prez had in the past. And of course they were all white, blacks tend to vote dem simple.

But never let facts get in the way lol.


Thanks BB, feel free to expand, I know you think highly of Powell was interested to see what you thought.

I really can't argue with his decision.  He highlighted some of the things about McCain that I have problem with (the overall way he has run his campaign).  It is a little disjointed and lacks focus.  I also think he feels burned by the Bush Administration (especially Rumsfeld) over the way the Iraq war was handled.   

Powell did a good job of explaining why he is supporting Obama.  It was not a kneejerk decision.  Well thought out.  He also pretty much said he is going to serve in an Obama administration (he doesn't want to serve, but will listen if asked).

If I had to decipher some of his comments, I'd say race did play a factor in his endorsement.  That's what words like "transformational" mean to me.  (I have a couple black friends who are voting for Obama in large part because he is half black.). 

It's too bad Powell didn't run and/or that McCain couldn't get him on the ticket. 

Although I still respect Powell a great deal, I don't agree with his decision.  I just have too many philosophical differences with Obama.   
 

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Re: COLIN POWELL GETS IT! (on Muslim hatred within his party)
« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2008, 06:44:06 PM »
Ok now u love Powell, he's the greatest right, yet u hate the war in Iraq. Powell made the case for war, in front of the UN. He had the slides showing the WMD locations right? I guess that doesn't matter to u because that doesn't fit into ur nice little picture huh? U libs want it both ways on every issue.
I love that powell endorsed Obama but I think Powell has some permanent damage from his UN appearance.  This is very redeeming though ;D  and actually, it's been righties that love the hell out of him so I should say, extremely redeeming ;D :D ;D :D ;D

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2008, 06:47:40 PM »
I just have too many philosophical differences with Obama.   
 
what, that he's a commie? ::)

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Re: Colin Powell OFFICIALLY Endorses Barack Obama
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