Looks like more moderation in store for religion.....

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With Obama winning and a strong majority of the vote coming from youth, idea of accepting homosexuality, legal abortion, and reduction of foreign oil will have less resistance in the future. Roe vs Wade will stay around, as it should, and new appointment of a Supreme Court justice looming, you can bet the sway will stay that way.
It's great that youth are starting to see that the US isn't just about "saying your prayers" and praising God. Atheism is growing exponentially since youth are seeing that science and technology are doing things that were once only thought of as being "God's work". This may be the century that religion might be accepted as a fairytale just like the myths of Greek Gods way back in the day.

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religion will never die, to many insecure people with the need for someone to make everything better.

I cant understand how anyone with decent amounts of intellect can read the bible and beleive it. It is full of contradictions not only wrt the stories but to the principles of god. It defies logic.

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With Obama winning and a strong majority of the vote coming from youth, idea of accepting homosexuality, legal abortion, and reduction of foreign oil will have less resistance in the future. Roe vs Wade will stay around, as it should, and new appointment of a Supreme Court justice looming, you can bet the sway will stay that way.
It's great that youth are starting to see that the US isn't just about "saying your prayers" and praising God. Atheism is growing exponentially since youth are seeing that science and technology are doing things that were once only thought of as being "God's work". This may be the century that religion might be accepted as a fairytale just like the myths of Greek Gods way back in the day.

Don't diss the Greek gods...

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With Obama winning and a strong majority of the vote coming from youth, idea of accepting homosexuality, legal abortion, and reduction of foreign oil will have less resistance in the future. Roe vs Wade will stay around, as it should, and new appointment of a Supreme Court justice looming, you can bet the sway will stay that way.
It's great that youth are starting to see that the US isn't just about "saying your prayers" and praising God. Atheism is growing exponentially since youth are seeing that science and technology are doing things that were once only thought of as being "God's work". This may be the century that religion might be accepted as a fairytale just like the myths of Greek Gods way back in the day.

Ummmm...before you start talking about Obama's win and the accepting homosexuality, you may want to note that Florida, Arizona, and California (yes, CALIFORNIA) just passed marriage amendments, defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman, with the latter's amendment reversing a ruling made by the state Supreme Court six months ago.

As for you take on religion, that's wishful thinking on your part. Or did you forget that Obama himself is a self-described Christian, along with the various ministers and church groups that supported Obama en route to his impressive victory.

religion will never die, to many insecure people with the need for someone to make everything better.

I cant understand how anyone with decent amounts of intellect can read the bible and beleive it. It is full of contradictions not only wrt the stories but to the principles of god. It defies logic.

Obama does. And so do many of his supporters and his opponents. Are you now going to declare that Obama doesn't have "decent amounts of intellect"?

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Ummmm...before you start talking about Obama's win and the accepting homosexuality, you may want to note that Florida, Arizona, and California (yes, CALIFORNIA) just passed marriage amendments, defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman, with the latter's amendment reversing a ruling made by the state Supreme Court six months ago.
As for you take on religion, that's wishful thinking on your part. Or did you forget that Obama himself is a self-described Christian, along with the various ministers and church groups that supported Obama en route to his impressive victory.

Obama does. And so do many of his supporters and his opponents. Are you now going to declare that Obama doesn't have "decent amounts of intellect"?

This is the thing that bothers me the most about Christian nutters; you can't mind your own business. Who cares if gay people want to get married thousands of miles away from you. Why do you worry about crap like that?

I wonder what Stella's position on gay marriage is...?

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This is the thing that bothers me the most about Christian nutters; you can't mind your own business. Who cares if gay people want to get married thousands of miles away from you. Why do you worry about crap like that?

I wonder what Stella's position on gay marriage is...?

This is a social issue, Deicide. It becomes my business, from a social standpoint, when another state wants to impose its definition of marriage in my state, which has happened far too many times.

I could say the same thing about atheist "nutters". If you're so confident that God doesn't exist, why do some of you (in the USA) bleat and blubber about the words, "under God", in the Pledge of Allegiance. You get worked up over someone you don't even believe to exist. You don't "mind your own business" in that regard.

You wail about the "National Day of Prayer", even though participation in such is VOLUNTARY. And in about a month, we'll hear plenty of "secular Scrooges" weep and gnash their teeth, because someone had the audacity to mention Jesus Christ, during Christmas time.

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Ummmm...before you start talking about Obama's win and the accepting homosexuality, you may want to note that Florida, Arizona, and California (yes, CALIFORNIA) just passed marriage amendments, defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman, with the latter's amendment reversing a ruling made by the state Supreme Court six months ago.

Once all the old foggies pass away within the next election or two, I'm more than sure you'll see a change. Same sex marriage battle is in it's infancy so just give it time.

As for you take on religion, that's wishful thinking on your part. Or did you forget that Obama himself is a self-described Christian, along with the various ministers and church groups that supported Obama en route to his impressive victory.

Lol, that's why he's Pro Choice and  pro stem cell research, right? People "claim" to be Christian all the time, yet won't follow Bible scripture or the delusional mandates made up of men of the cloth. Pretty naive there Mcway.

Obama does. And so do many of his supporters and his opponents. Are you now going to declare that Obama doesn't have "decent amounts of intellect"?

He was smart enough to claim it just enough to win the votes of some "red" states.

 

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Ummmm...before you start talking about Obama's win and the accepting homosexuality, you may want to note that Florida, Arizona, and California (yes, CALIFORNIA) just passed marriage amendments, defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman, with the latter's amendment reversing a ruling made by the state Supreme Court six months ago.

As for you take on religion, that's wishful thinking on your part. Or did you forget that Obama himself is a self-described Christian, along with the various ministers and church groups that supported Obama en route to his impressive victory.

Obama does. And so do many of his supporters and his opponents. Are you now going to declare that Obama doesn't have "decent amounts of intellect"?

no atheist would ever win an election, he would say anything to get in. Im sure if you had a sit down with him and asked "did noah actually live to 600 and take two of every animal?" and other silly questions i think he would say no.

do you actually beleive noah took two of every animal on an ark?

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This is a social issue, Deicide. It becomes my business, from a social standpoint, when another state wants to impose its definition of marriage in my state, which has happened far too many times.

I could say the same thing about atheist "nutters". If you're so confident that God doesn't exist, why do some of you (in the USA) bleat and blubber about the words, "under God", in the Pledge of Allegiance. You get worked up over someone you don't even believe to exist. You don't "mind your own business" in that regard.

You wail about the "National Day of Prayer", even though participation in such is VOLUNTARY. And in about a month, we'll hear plenty of "secular Scrooges" weep and gnash their teeth, because someone had the audacity to mention Jesus Christ, during Christmas time.

That's an easy one to answer. Because of separation of CHURCH and STATE. Though I don't care that much about my money have "In God We Trust" on it, or the Pledge of allegance having "under God" in it even though it was added to the original version, marriage between people is more of a state and court issue then it is of a religious issue. If it was a religious issue, then divorce shouldn't be accepted. That's why courts make the decision on marriages, annulments and divorces. The churches can't annul marriages or complete divorces.

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no atheist would ever win an election, he would say anything to get in. Im sure if you had a sit down with him and asked "did noah actually live to 600 and take two of every animal?" and other silly questions i think he would say no.

do you actually beleive noah took two of every animal on an ark?

Ditto bro. Hell Noah was over 900 years old too.

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no atheist would ever win an election, he would say anything to get in. Im sure if you had a sit down with him and asked "did noah actually live to 600 and take two of every animal?" and other silly questions i think he would say no.

do you actually beleive noah took two of every animal on an ark?

So, if McCain had won the election and stated that he's a Christian, you'd believe him (and bash him accordingly for his beliefs). Yet, when Obama says that he's a Christian, now you're saying that he's lying (which apparently is fine with you, since you think or hope he's a closet atheist).

That makes a lot of sense.

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Once all the old foggies pass away within the next election or two, I'm more than sure you'll see a change. Same sex marriage battle is in it's infancy so just give it time.

Now, there's a tolerant attitude for you, looking forward to those who don't agree with you dying off, so your view becomes the norm.

Lol, that's why he's Pro Choice and  pro stem cell research, right? People "claim" to be Christian all the time, yet won't follow Bible scripture or the delusional mandates made up of men of the cloth. Pretty naive there Mcway.

I see! So, you're another one of these folks claiming that Obama's a closet atheist, because you happen to like the guy, and his being (or claiming) to be a Christian just doesn't jive with your philosophical bend.

BTW, plenty of Christians are pro stem cell research (except for the embryonic kind; see my thread about Babytooth Technologies).

He was smart enough to claim it just enough to win the votes of some "red" states.

Are you expecting him to have a press conference and announce that he's really an atheist?

In other words, for all your criticism about the bad things about religion, you think it's cool to lie about being a Christian (and perhaps lie about anything else), as long as you reach your political goals.

I'll keep that in mind, the next time you start complaining about religious people and faith, again.

That's an easy one to answer. Because of separation of CHURCH and STATE. Though I don't care that much about my money have "In God We Trust" on it, or the Pledge of allegance having "under God" in it even though it was added to the original version, marriage between people is more of a state and court issue then it is of a religious issue. If it was a religious issue, then divorce shouldn't be accepted. That's why courts make the decision on marriages, annulments and divorces. The churches can't annul marriages or complete divorces.

I'm sorry. Where is "separation of Church and State" in the federal Constitution again?

Your quip about divorce is a bit off. Divorce was allowed in the OT (primarily in cases of adultery). What has gone terribly wrong is the concept of "no-fault" divorce which (as another poster stated) has made it far too easy to dissolve a marriage. It has been abused by Christians and non-Christians alike.

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So, if McCain had won the election and stated that he's a Christian, you'd believe him (and bash him accordingly for his beliefs). Yet, when Obama says that he's a Christian, now you're saying that he's lying (which apparently is fine with you, since you think or hope he's a closet atheist).

That makes a lot of sense.

i never said either of those things

im canadian i dont care who wins your election to be honest, mccain is and idiot, obama seems alright from his policies and reforms. I think he is christian i just dont think he is a literal creationist maniac christian.

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is a self-described Christian, along with the various ministers and church groups that supported Obama en route to his impressive victory.

Obama does. And so do many of his supporters and his opponents. Are you now going to declare that Obama doesn't have "decent amounts of intellect"?

how you derived what you wrote based on my response to this boggles my mind.

i said i dont understand how any logical person can beleive literally in the bible.

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i never said either of those things

im canadian i dont care who wins your election to be honest, mccain is and idiot, obama seems alright from his policies and reforms. I think he is christian i just dont think he is a literal creationist maniac christian.

If you think he's a christian, why are you claiming that he isn't and was just saying he was to get elected? I'm not sure if Obama believes in Creation or not. If he did, how does that make him a "maniac"?

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how you derived what you wrote based on my response to this boggles my mind.

i said i dont understand how any logical person can beleive literally in the bible.

That may be what you meant but THIS is what you said:

I cant understand how anyone with decent amounts of intellect can read the bible and beleive it. It is full of contradictions not only wrt the stories but to the principles of god. It defies logic.

That's why I responded the way I did. If Obama reads the Bible and believes it, does this now mean he no longer has "decent amounts of intellect"?

BTW, the late D. James Kennedy read and believed the Bible and he was named one of the most Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th Century.

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This is a social issue, Deicide. It becomes my business, from a social standpoint, when another state wants to impose its definition of marriage in my state, which has happened far too many times.

I could say the same thing about atheist "nutters". If you're so confident that God doesn't exist, why do some of you (in the USA) bleat and blubber about the words, "under God", in the Pledge of Allegiance. You get worked up over someone you don't even believe to exist. You don't "mind your own business" in that regard.

You wail about the "National Day of Prayer", even though participation in such is VOLUNTARY. And in about a month, we'll hear plenty of "secular Scrooges" weep and gnash their teeth, because someone had the audacity to mention Jesus Christ, during Christmas time.

I don't fit this category of atheists you are constantly talking about; ask Loco.

So you spend day and night worrying about what two men or two women do when engaging in sexual intercourse thousands of miles away? Why can't two people get married regardless of their gender?

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So, if McCain had won the election and stated that he's a Christian, you'd believe him (and bash him accordingly for his beliefs). Yet, when Obama says that he's a Christian, now you're saying that he's lying (which apparently is fine with you, since you think or hope he's a closet atheist).

That makes a lot of sense.

Lol, well let's see McCain is Pro life, anti stem cell, anti gay marriage.......duh sounds like he's influenced by religion to me. Obama is the opposite, so chances are he isn't that religious, or not in the way the Christians want him to be.

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Lol, well let's see McCain is Pro life, anti stem cell, anti gay marriage.......duh sounds like he's influenced by religion to me. Obama is the opposite, so chances are he isn't that religious, or not in the way the Christians want him to be.

Obama is not the opposite.  Obama claims to be a Christian and attended church for years.  McCain is not anti stem cell, adult stem cell that is.  And Obama is just as anti same sex marriage as McCain is.

This thread clearly shows the atheists double standard and bias.  Obama claims to be a religious man, but just because you like him, all of a sudden religion and God are okay with you, but only if it's Obama you're talking about.

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Now, there's a tolerant attitude for you, looking forward to those who don't agree with you dying off, so your view becomes the norm.

And slavery was something the old south was tolerant of, until new ideas came along. If we would have still accepted slavery, like the Bible did, we wouldn't be where we are now. Get over it.

I see! So, you're another one of these folks claiming that Obama's a closet atheist, because you happen to like the guy, and his being (or claiming) to be a Christian just doesn't jive with your philosophical bend.

Not claiming he's a closet atheist, but it's obvious he's not as concerned about what the religious right thinks when it comes to science and women's rights.

BTW, plenty of Christians are pro stem cell research (except for the embryonic kind; see my thread about Babytooth Technologies).

Limiting all options because of what Christians think is a "child" isn't the way science thinks about research. Science looks at all available avenues and don't use a fairytale book for their morality. How the hell do you think we go invitro? Not by reading it in a Bible. And where it was once thought of as "God's work", it's now an acceptable way for a couple who have difficulties conceiving a child.

Are you expecting him to have a press conference and announce that he's really an atheist?

Read above.

In other words, for all your criticism about the bad things about religion, you think it's cool to lie about being a Christian (and perhaps lie about anything else), as long as you reach your political goals.
I'll keep that in mind, the next time you start complaining about religious people and faith, again.

You are naive. You actually believe that people with political power are TRULY religious? Bwahahahahaha! This is classic.

I'm sorry. Where is "separation of Church and State" in the federal Constitution again?

That is true, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not actually appear anywhere in the Constitution. There is a problem, however, in that some people draw incorrect conclusions from this fact. The absence of this phrase does not mean that it is an invalid concept or that it cannot be used as a legal or judicial principle.

There are any number of important legal concepts which do not appear in the Constitution with the exact phrasing people tend to use. For example, nowhere in the Constitution will you find words like "right to privacy" or even "right to a fair trial." Does this mean that no American citizen has a right to privacy or a fair trial? Does this mean that no judge should ever invoke these rights when reaching a decision?

Of course not - the absence of these specific words does not mean that there is also an absence of these ideas. The right to a fair trial, for example, is necessitated by what is in the text because what we do find simply makes no moral or legal sense otherwise.

Your quip about divorce is a bit off. Divorce was allowed in the OT (primarily in cases of adultery). What has gone terribly wrong is the concept of "no-fault" divorce which (as another poster stated) has made it far too easy to dissolve a marriage. It has been abused by Christians and non-Christians alike.

Not according to Matthew 19:6, Malachi 2:16a. But to go off what you said, it is allowed for adultery. However, adultery isn't the only reason Christian and non Christians are divorcing in the US. Lack of commitment, in-laws, finances, alcohol/drug use, etc. So if you're just talking "adultery" than the church should take care of it, however all the others are "not mentioned" in the Bible as reason for divorce so it's a court and state issue to handle and not that of religion.
And while I agree about the no fault divorce, it's not religions responsibility to overlook it. It's the courts. So it shouldn't matter if same sex people want to join in a binding relationship since the church has NOTHING to do with it. They will still pay their taxes, but have rights like married couples. And why does it bother you anyway? You're not gay (I think) so it doesn't affect your paycheck, your house bills, or your job. They are just people that want to have a union like a heterosexual couple do. That's it. And it's just around the corner. US Supreme court will make a ruling on it one day soon.

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Obama is not the opposite.  Obama claims to be a Christian and attended church for years.  McCain is not anti stem cell, adult stem cell that is.  And Obama is just as anti same sex marriage as McCain is.

This thread clearly shows the atheists double standard and bias.  Obama claims to be a religious man, but just because you like him, all of a sudden religion and God are okay with you, but only if it's Obama you're talking about.

What? Lol, Obama isn't letting his personal views of religion affect his decisions on the issues of gays.

Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois:
Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Barack Obama in the United States Senate:
Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard. Here's how HRC rated Barack Obama:

Barack Obama on Hate Crimes:
Barack Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes laws to include crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Employment Non-Discrimination:
Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military:
Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."

Gay & Lesbian Adoption:
Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."


And though he doesn't support the "term marriage" for gays, he supports civil unions. Christians don't want either. They don't want civil unions since it would practically "mirror" what marriage is.

[loco]

What? Lol, Obama isn't letting his personal views of religion affect his decisions on the issues of gays.

Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois:
Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Barack Obama in the United States Senate:
Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard. Here's how HRC rated Barack Obama:

Barack Obama on Hate Crimes:
Barack Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes laws to include crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Employment Non-Discrimination:
Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military:
Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."

Gay & Lesbian Adoption:
Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."


And though he doesn't support the "term marriage" for gays, he supports civil unions. Christians don't want either. They don't want civil unions since it would practically "mirror" what marriage is.

What a waste of words and space.  You posted all that stuff about civil unions just to say at the end that Obama does not support same sex marriage?  Isn't that what I just said?  You said McCain opposes gay marriage and claimed Obama is "the opposite."  Well, he is not because he opposes gay marriage too.  How is Obama the opposite?  You are wrong about your stem cell research claim too.

Lol, well let's see McCain is Pro life, anti stem cell, anti gay marriage.......duh sounds like he's influenced by religion to me. Obama is the opposite, so chances are he isn't that religious, or not in the way the Christians want him to be.

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What a waste of words and space.  You posted all that stuff about civil unions just to say at the end that Obama does not support same sex marriage?  Isn't that what I just said?  You said McCain opposes gay marriage and claimed Obama is "the opposite."  Well, he is not because he opposes gay marriage too.  How is Obama the opposite?  You are also wrong about stem cell research.

Guess you didn't read the last line:

And though he doesn't support the "term marriage" for gays, he supports civil unions. Christians don't want either. They don't want civil unions since it would practically "mirror" what marriage is.

I claimed McCain opposes most of what Obama stands for. That's why they ran against each other since they don't agree on many issues. Lol, or else they would have been on the same ticket together as a duo. They ran opposite each other and opposed each other's policies. As for stem cell research, McCain does support Adult stem cell research, but is against Embryonic stem cell research only because of religious belief. Obama isn't against embryonic stem cell research and wants the ban lifted. That's pretty opposite wouldn't you say?

Like I mentioned above, it's just a matter of time that it will change for gay "unions", embryonic stem cell research, and other agendas that the religious don't want done. We've overcome the stigma of conception not being in God's hands, but in medical science hands. Invitro is accepted, where not long ago many religious were deeming it as "playing God". Over the last 50 years, religion is playing less and less a role in the morality of human survival. Science and technology are proving more and more that it's not "magic" that made us, cures us and enhances our lives, but good old research and understanding our own biology, DNA, etc.

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Guess you didn't read the last line:

And though he doesn't support the "term marriage" for gays, he supports civil unions. Christians don't want either. They don't want civil unions since it would practically "mirror" what marriage is.

I claimed McCain opposes most of what Obama stands for. That's why they ran against each other since they don't agree on many issues. Lol, or else they would have been on the same ticket together as a duo. They ran opposite each other and opposed each other's policies. As for stem cell research, McCain does support Adult stem cell research, but is against Embryonic stem cell research only because of religious belief. Obama isn't against embryonic stem cell research and wants the ban lifted. That's pretty opposite wouldn't you say?

Like I mentioned above, it's just a matter of time that it will change for gay "unions", embryonic stem cell research, and other agendas that the religious don't want done. We've overcome the stigma of conception not being in God's hands, but in medical science hands. Invitro is accepted, where not long ago many religious were deeming it as "playing God". Over the last 50 years, religion is playing less and less a role in the morality of human survival. Science and technology are proving more and more that it's not "magic" that made us, cures us and enhances our lives, but good old research and understanding our own biology, DNA, etc.

Why can't you take responsibility for what you said before?  No, they don't agree on many issues, but you brought up the two issues they do agree on.  You were wrong.  They both oppose gay marriage and they both support stem cell research.  You did not say anything about civil unions or embryonic stem cells before.  You are changing your story now because I called you on it.  You are just arguing for the sake of argument and can't admit you were wrong.

According to you and other atheists on the board, Obama is an idiot, uneducated, nut case because he claims to believe in God, claims to be a Christian and believes the Bible.  That's what you all have been saying all along.  Now, all of a sudden, Obama is okay because he isn't letting his Chrsitian faith affect his decisions.   

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At least Lord Obama's mother was an atheist...