Looks like more moderation in store for religion.....

[loco]

A better definition of what?  What are you talking about now?

And where exactly in those verses dose it says that if a person does not oppose embryonic stem cell research, civil unions, and abortion he/she is not a Christian?  Show me.

[loco]

Does Jebus like big jugs Loco?

Hey deity killer,

Please take your obscene pictures to the porn board and keep them out of this board!

[Necrosis]

Hey deity killer,

Please take your obscene pictures to the porn board and keep them out of this board!

loco you need to respond to me

do i have to come looking for you

[Hedgehog]

I think it's safe to say that there's a backlash for the Bible thumpers in general.
They pressed the issue of ID and fundamentalism a bit too far, and now Christianity will pay for it.
Obama, while being an active Christian (and thus a bit of a lunatic imo) doesn't claim that he's talking to God like Bush did, although he say stupid shit like 'god bless america' without having proof of a God.
   Obama also seems able to separate his weird beliefs from his voting.
For the record, I think McCain also would've been a move towards a more secular society.

But I don't think Christians needs to worry. There is no correlation between a Christian society and one which is law abiding, peaceful and 'happy'.
Rather, religious fundamentalism have repeatedly shown to be a troubling factor for societies.

[Oldschool Flip]

A better definition of what?  What are you talking about now?

You seem to know a better definition of the word Christian than the dictionary, so please give it.

And where exactly in those verses dose it says that if a person does not oppose embryonic stem cell research, civil unions, and abortion he/she is not a Christian?  Show me.

That's the problem loco. According to Bible thumpers, it's the accumulation if scriptures that prove each other. So if the other scriptures I quoted are against the proposals, and being for the proposals are "bad" in God's eyes, and that defying his word and that of Jesus teachings are not followed, that they will be condemned. Now let me see, if you claim Jesus as your Savior you're saved so you're a Christian. But according to God, whom is supposed to override Jesus, these Christians whom commit "sins of omission" blantantly and without remorse, will be condemned for spreading word that those proposals are okay in the eyes of God. So at that point they aren't really followers and can't be Christians anymore because they don't WANT to follow God's and Jesus teachings. How can you not see that in your own Bible?
Lol, this is actually a big joke for me because if you say it's "okay" to accept the proposals and still be a Christian, you know that people hear are going to call you a hypocrite once they read it. Might be time to change your name.

[loco]

loco you need to respond to me

do i have to come looking for you

I will Necrosis!  You are a worthy adversary for science discussion.  Unlike others here, you actually know the subjects you are discussing and you don't google crap and post it without even readig it first.  I really have to do my homework before responding to you.   

[loco]

I think it's safe to say that there's a backlash for the Bible thumpers in general.
They pressed the issue of ID and fundamentalism a bit too far, and now Christianity will pay for it.
Obama, while being an active Christian (and thus a bit of a lunatic imo) doesn't claim that he's talking to God like Bush did, although he say stupid shit like 'god bless america' without having proof of a God.
   Obama also seems able to separate his weird beliefs from his voting.
For the record, I think McCain also would've been a move towards a more secular society.

But I don't think Christians needs to worry. There is no correlation between a Christian society and one which is law abiding, peaceful and 'happy'.
Rather, religious fundamentalism have repeatedly shown to be a troubling factor for societies.

Christianity has been used and abused for political gain, and yes it has and it will hurt Christianity.  But the true Christians will continue doing God's work, business as usual.  Ridicule and persecution have always been part of a Christian's life.  Maybe not so much in the US, but in other countries around the world it has.

[loco]

You seem to know a better definition of the word Christian than the dictionary, so please give it.
That's the problem loco. According to Bible thumpers, it's the accumulation if scriptures that prove each other. So if the other scriptures I quoted are against the proposals, and being for the proposals are "bad" in God's eyes, and that defying his word and that of Jesus teachings are not followed, that they will be condemned. Now let me see, if you claim Jesus as your Savior you're saved so you're a Christian. But according to God, whom is supposed to override Jesus, these Christians whom commit "sins of omission" blantantly and without remorse, will be condemned for spreading word that those proposals are okay in the eyes of God. So at that point they aren't really followers and can't be Christians anymore because they don't WANT to follow God's and Jesus teachings. How can you not see that in your own Bible?
Lol, this is actually a big joke for me because if you say it's "okay" to accept the proposals and still be a Christian, you know that people hear are going to call you a hypocrite once they read it. Might be time to change your name.

You keep side stepping the question.  Show me where in the Bible is says that a person is not a Christian unless that person opposes same sex marriage, abortion and embryonic stem cell research?  You said it was there.  Support your claim.  I'm still waiting

[Deicide]

You keep side stepping the question.  Show me where in the Bible is says that a person is not a Christian unless that person opposes same sex marriage, abortion and embryonic stem cell research?  You said it was there.  Support your claim.  I'm still waiting

Does Jebus like big jugs or not Loco?

[Oldschool Flip]

You keep side stepping the question.  Show me where in the Bible is says that a person is not a Christian unless that person opposes same sex marriage, abortion and embryonic stem cell research?  You said it was there.  Support your claim.  I'm still waiting

Okay I'm game. No direct scripture. Now will you answer questions or just keep asking me for scripture relating to this.
Define Christian? Why is it okay for Christians to support the proposals when it's obviously against what God wants? Just two.

[Deicide]

Personally I think Jebus likes big jugs...(and Loco does too; ten bucks says he was spanking off to that last pic)...

[loco]

Does Jebus like big jugs or not Loco?

Do you walk up to a dad, look him in the eye and ask him if he likes his own daughter's "big jugs"?  I suppose your question is somewhat like that, kinda sick and twisted.

[loco]

Personally I think Jebus likes big jugs...(and Loco does too; ten bucks says he was spanking off to that last pic)...

You owe me ten bucks.  Personally, I'm a butt and legs kind of guy.  Most Latinos are, it seems like.

[Oldschool Flip]

Ahem, no reply to my last post loco? I'd really like to know.

[loco]

Ahem, no reply to my last post loco? I'd really like to know.

You admitted that your were wrong about your claim, and I respect that about you, and I'm satisfied.   

As for why some Christians oppose certain social issues, while other Christians support those same issues, while yet a third group of Christians do neither choosing not to get involved, you'll have to ask them individually.  I can't speak for them.

[Oldschool Flip]

You admitted that your were wrong about your claim, and I respect that about you, and I'm satisfied.   

As for why some Christians oppose certain social issues, while other Christians support those same issues, while yet a third group of Christians do neither choosing not to get involved, you'll have to ask them individually.  I can't speak for them.

So what is your opinion of the Christians that do approve of them? You're not saying that it's acceptable right? And though it's not your job to judge them, do you believe they are fine in the eyes of God?

[loco]

So what is your opinion of the Christians that do approve of them? You're not saying that it's acceptable right? And though it's not your job to judge them, do you believe they are fine in the eyes of God?

Are you referring to Christians who do not engage in homosexual behavior themselves, who say that it is a sin according to the Bible, but they do or they would vote "YES" on same sex marriage?

[Oldschool Flip]

Are you referring to Christians who do not engage in homosexual behavior themselves, who say that it is a sin according to the Bible, but they do or they would vote "YES" on same sex marriage?

Yes. That and also voting for embryonic stem cell research and abortion to be legal.

[loco]

Yes. That and also voting for embryonic stem cell research and abortion to be legal.

I've never met a Christian like that before.  But if I ever did, I'd ask him/her the reasons why and I would listen. 

[Oldschool Flip]

I've never met a Christian like that before.  But if I ever did, I'd ask him/her the reasons why and I would listen. 

Barack Obama. Let me know what you think after you read his reasons.

[loco]

Barack Obama. Let me know what you think after you read his reasons.

I don't know Barack Obama.  You said he lied about being a Christian.

[Hedgehog]

I don't know Barack Obama.  You said he lied about being a Christian.

Obama claims he is a Christian.
As many other Christians he supports gay rights to a certain degree.
Some Christians, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, even supports gay marriage.
What do you think about them?

[loco]

Obama claims he is a Christian.
As many other Christians he supports gay rights to a certain degree.
Some Christians, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, even supports gay marriage.
What do you think about them?

Like I told Oldschool Flip, I don't know them.  If I ever had the pleasure to meet them, I'd listen to their reasons.

Arnold Schwarzenegger claims to be a Christian?  I did not know that.

[Oldschool Flip]

I don't know Barack Obama.  You said he lied about being a Christian.

Course I said he lied. But everyone else including you and MCWAY seem to think he is, so what is your thought of him as a Christian wanting to instill those policies? And again it's just an opinion I'm looking for.

[loco]

Course I said he lied. But everyone else including you and MCWAY seem to think he is, so what is your thought of him as a Christian wanting to instill those policies? And again it's just an opinion I'm looking for.

Don't say Obama because I don't know his reasons and if you copy and paste them for me from some website, how do we know they are really his reasons and not the reasons his "strategists" gave for him?  For that matter, how do you even know Obama truly supports those issues and not that this is just politics as usual?  Obama dropped his church and his minister("his friend", "his mentor", "his role model") in a heart beat for political gain.

So I can't give you an opinion until I meet such a Christian and ask his/her reasons for supporting those issues.  And different Christians will probably give me different reasons why they do.  So I would have to form my opinion for each individual and not generalize.