anyone train abs like this?

[NoCalBbEr]

Hey guys
Long time, no post. I wast checking out the Transformation on bb.com. Kris, trains abs but he split them. He does upper abs (crunches and lower abs on another day with lower part of the abs (hanging leg raise) I was curious if any trans abs like this and is it effective??

thanks for the replies

[burn2live]

Hey guys
Long time, no post. I wast checking out the Transformation on bb.com. Kris, trains abs but he split them. He does upper abs (crunches and lower abs on another day with lower part of the abs (hanging leg raise) I was curious if any trans abs like this and is it effective??

thanks for the replies

Never done this myself. I do do exercises to target the different groups, but I don't make a point of splitting them over days. Never heard of that before

[DK II]

Hey guys
Long time, no post. I wast checking out the Transformation on bb.com. Kris, trains abs but he split them. He does upper abs (crunches and lower abs on another day with lower part of the abs (hanging leg raise) I was curious if any trans abs like this and is it effective??

thanks for the replies

there is no such thing as upper or lower abs.

[vic86]

i split my ab routine,upper ,lower ,obliques or do them all together with cardio, same time adding variety of excercises training them to failure, worked well for me. just wanted to know if working on abs with weights regularly works???like weighted leg raises, weighted crunches/sit ups

[tbombz]

there is no such thing as upper or lower abs.

huh ? umm.. 

 is there such a thing as the sky and the ground ?

is ther a top of a tree and the bottom of a tree?

there is indeed upper abs and lower abs.


but i dont think that was what you were getting at, was it  why dont you elaborate

[Zach Trowbridge]

huh ? umm.. 

 is there such a thing as the sky and the ground ?

is ther a top of a tree and the bottom of a tree?

there is indeed upper abs and lower abs.


but i dont think that was what you were getting at, was it  why dont you elaborate

They aren't 2 seperate muscles, just two ends of the same muscle.  One end can't be isolated over the other.

[nodeal]

Hey guys
Long time, no post. I wast checking out the Transformation on bb.com. Kris, trains abs but he split them. He does upper abs (crunches and lower abs on another day with lower part of the abs (hanging leg raise) I was curious if any trans abs like this and is it effective??

thanks for the replies

sounds retarded and unnecessary. ab slide all the way.

[DK II]

They aren't 2 seperate muscles, just two ends of the same muscle.  One end can't be isolated over the other.

Spot on.

[tbombz]

They aren't 2 seperate muscles, just two ends of the same muscle.  One end can't be isolated over the other.

that is what i was assuming he meant

[MisterMagoo]

but what about my inner and outer chest? the inner and outer heads of my biceps? my soleus and gastrocs on my calves? the teardrop and sweep on my quads? my upper and lower lats? next you'll be telling me that ALL of the human body's muscles tend to work as a unit and targeting sections of individual systems is a fool's errand! 

[tbombz]

one can most definitely place the majority of the tension  onto a certain region of a muscle. for example - inner chest, long head of the tricep,  outer quad, lower back, rear delts.,..etc.

[Zach Trowbridge]

one can most definitely place the majority of the tension  onto a certain region of a muscle. for example - inner chest, long head of the tricep,  outer quad, lower back, rear delts.,..etc.

As I recall, you also engaged in a spirited (albeit ignorant) debate with a half dozen guys on the training board about how you can disengage your traps from upright rows, which you were doing with 185 lbs.  A lot of your advice reads like Flex magazine's "how-to" articles.

[tbombz]

As I recall, you also engaged in a spirited (albeit ignorant) debate with a half dozen guys on the training board about how you can disengage your traps from upright rows, which you were doing with 185 lbs.  A lot of your advice reads like Flex magazine's "how-to" articles.

not completely disengage but move the majority of the stress onto the delts, and of of the traps - yes. of course. if you cant do this you need to learn how to better your mind-to-muscle connection.   

[Zach Trowbridge]

A lot of your advice reads like Flex magazine's "how-to" articles.

you need to learn how to better your mind-to-muscle connection.  

I rest my case.

[tbombz]

of course...mind muscle connestion is totally made up... no use whatsoever... every bodybuilder on an olympia stage ever was focusing on mind-muscle connection for no reason at all..cuz its useless...     

[Get Rowdy]

I rarely train abs, but if I do a 'lower abs' exercise I definitely feel all the DOMS in my lower abs the following days.  By lower abs I mean below my umbilicus.

[tomgreynolds]

Arnold Schwarzenegger admittedly used an upper abs/lower abs split in his training sometimes. He also trained his lower back (extensions) with his abs for a total core workout

[DK II]

Arnold Schwarzenegger admittedly used an upper abs/lower abs split in his training sometimes. He also trained his lower back (extensions) with his abs for a total core workout

Arnold told people lots of bullshit about his training.

[tbombz]

Arnold told people lots of bullshit about his training.

and about alot of other things.  bullshitting dude, all the way bullshitting dude.

[LatsMcGee]

Just do vacuums for your abs and maybe some variation on the crunch.  You don't need all that ab work. 

[Exal]

but what about my inner and outer chest? the inner and outer heads of my biceps? my soleus and gastrocs on my calves? the teardrop and sweep on my quads? my upper and lower lats? next you'll be telling me that ALL of the human body's muscles tend to work as a unit and targeting sections of individual systems is a fool's errand! 

training "inner" and "outer" chest is impossible because it's one muscle and because of the way it moves, you can train upper and lower chest as they are two heads...

soleus and gatrocnemius are two different heads so yes you can train em seperately by changing your knee position.

again the same goes for quads, though it's harder to isolate the specific heads. training the inner and outer head of the bicips is simply impossible as there is no position where one of the heads work differently.

no such thing as upper and lower lats, again they are one muscle, what you are thinking of is the genetic insertions of the muscle

and i'll echo what other people have said about not being able to train upper and lower abs