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Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« on: March 14, 2009, 02:13:17 AM »
 is simply wrong for commentators to continue to focus on President Barack Obama's high levels of popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of public confidence in the work of his administration. Indeed, a detailed look at recent survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.

Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.


 
M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.

A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives.

There is also a clear sense in the polling that taxes will increase for all Americans because of the stimulus, notwithstanding what the president has said about taxes going down for 95% of Americans. Close to three-quarters expect that government spending will grow under this administration.

Recent Gallup data echo these concerns. That polling shows that there are deep-seated, underlying economic concerns. Eighty-three percent say they are worried that the steps Mr. Obama is taking to fix the economy may not work and the economy will get worse. Eighty-two percent say they are worried about the amount of money being added to the deficit. Seventy-eight percent are worried about inflation growing, and 69% say they are worried about the increasing role of the government in the U.S. economy.

When Gallup asked whether we should be spending more or less in the economic stimulus, by close to 3-to-1 margin voters said it is better to have spent less than to have spent more. When asked whether we are adding too much to the deficit or spending too little to improve the economy, by close to a 3-to-2 margin voters said that we are adding too much to the deficit.

Support for the stimulus package is dropping from narrow majority support to below that. There is no sense that the stimulus package itself will work quickly, and according to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, close to 60% said it would make only a marginal difference in the next two to four years. Rasmussen data shows that people now actually oppose Mr. Obama's budget, 46% to 41%. Three-quarters take this position because it will lead to too much spending. And by 2-to-1, voters reject House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's call for a second stimulus package.

While over two-thirds support the plan to help homeowners refinance their mortgage, a 48%-36% plurality said that it will unfairly benefit those who have been irresponsible, echoing Rick Santelli's call to arms on CNBC.

And although a narrow majority remains confident in Mr. Obama's goals and overall direction, 45% say they do not have confidence, a number that has been growing since the inauguration less than two months ago. With three-quarters saying that they expect the economy to get worse, it is hard to see these numbers improving substantially.

There is no real appetite for increasing taxes to pay for an expanded health-insurance program. Less than half would support such an idea, which is 17% less than the percentage that supported government health insurance when Bill Clinton first considered it in March of 1993.

While voters blame Republicans for the lack of bipartisanship in Washington, the fact is that they do not believe Mr. Obama has made any progress in improving the impulse towards cooperation between the two parties. Further, nearly half of voters say that politics in Washington will be more partisan over the next year.

Fifty-six percent of Americans oppose giving bankers any additional government money or any guarantees backed by the government. Two-thirds say Wall Street will benefit more than the average taxpayer from the new bank bailout plan. This represents a jump in opposition to the first plan passed last October. At that time, 45% opposed the bailout and 30% supported it. Now a solid majority opposes the bank bailout, and 20% think it was a good idea. A majority believes that Mr. Obama will not be able to cut the deficit in half by the end of his term.

Only less than a quarter of Americans believe that the federal government truly reflects the will of the people. Almost half disagree with the idea that no one can earn a living or live "an American life" without protection and empowerment by the government, while only one-third agree.

Despite the economic stimulus that Congress just passed and the budget and financial and mortgage bailouts that Congress is now debating, just 19% of voters believe that Congress has passed any significant legislation to improve their lives. While Congress's approval has increased, it still stands at only 18%. Over two-thirds of voters believe members of Congress are more interested in helping their own careers than in helping the American people. When it comes to the nation's economic issues, two-thirds of voters have more confidence in their own judgment than they do in the average member of Congress.

Finally, what probably accounts for a good measure of the confidence and support the Obama administration has enjoyed is the fact that they are not Republicans. Virtually all Americans, more than eight in 10, blame Republicans for the current economic woes, and the only two leaders with lower approval ratings than Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are Republican leaders Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

All of this is not just a subject for pollsters and analysts to debate. It shows fundamentally that public confidence in government remains low and is slipping. We face the possibility of substantial gridlock along with an absolute absence of public confidence that could come to mirror the lack of confidence in the American economy that the Dow and the S&P are currently showing.

Mr. Schoen, formerly a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two Party System" (Random House, 2008). Mr. Rasmussen is president of Rasmussen Reports, an independent national polling company.

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 04:27:28 AM »
I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA! 

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 04:37:54 AM »
is simply wrong for commentators to continue to focus on President Barack Obama's high levels of popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of public confidence in the work of his administration. Indeed, a detailed look at recent survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.

Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.


 
M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.

A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives.

There is also a clear sense in the polling that taxes will increase for all Americans because of the stimulus, notwithstanding what the president has said about taxes going down for 95% of Americans. Close to three-quarters expect that government spending will grow under this administration.

Recent Gallup data echo these concerns. That polling shows that there are deep-seated, underlying economic concerns. Eighty-three percent say they are worried that the steps Mr. Obama is taking to fix the economy may not work and the economy will get worse. Eighty-two percent say they are worried about the amount of money being added to the deficit. Seventy-eight percent are worried about inflation growing, and 69% say they are worried about the increasing role of the government in the U.S. economy.

When Gallup asked whether we should be spending more or less in the economic stimulus, by close to 3-to-1 margin voters said it is better to have spent less than to have spent more. When asked whether we are adding too much to the deficit or spending too little to improve the economy, by close to a 3-to-2 margin voters said that we are adding too much to the deficit.

Support for the stimulus package is dropping from narrow majority support to below that. There is no sense that the stimulus package itself will work quickly, and according to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, close to 60% said it would make only a marginal difference in the next two to four years. Rasmussen data shows that people now actually oppose Mr. Obama's budget, 46% to 41%. Three-quarters take this position because it will lead to too much spending. And by 2-to-1, voters reject House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's call for a second stimulus package.

While over two-thirds support the plan to help homeowners refinance their mortgage, a 48%-36% plurality said that it will unfairly benefit those who have been irresponsible, echoing Rick Santelli's call to arms on CNBC.

And although a narrow majority remains confident in Mr. Obama's goals and overall direction, 45% say they do not have confidence, a number that has been growing since the inauguration less than two months ago. With three-quarters saying that they expect the economy to get worse, it is hard to see these numbers improving substantially.

There is no real appetite for increasing taxes to pay for an expanded health-insurance program. Less than half would support such an idea, which is 17% less than the percentage that supported government health insurance when Bill Clinton first considered it in March of 1993.

While voters blame Republicans for the lack of bipartisanship in Washington, the fact is that they do not believe Mr. Obama has made any progress in improving the impulse towards cooperation between the two parties. Further, nearly half of voters say that politics in Washington will be more partisan over the next year.

Fifty-six percent of Americans oppose giving bankers any additional government money or any guarantees backed by the government. Two-thirds say Wall Street will benefit more than the average taxpayer from the new bank bailout plan. This represents a jump in opposition to the first plan passed last October. At that time, 45% opposed the bailout and 30% supported it. Now a solid majority opposes the bank bailout, and 20% think it was a good idea. A majority believes that Mr. Obama will not be able to cut the deficit in half by the end of his term.

Only less than a quarter of Americans believe that the federal government truly reflects the will of the people. Almost half disagree with the idea that no one can earn a living or live "an American life" without protection and empowerment by the government, while only one-third agree.

Despite the economic stimulus that Congress just passed and the budget and financial and mortgage bailouts that Congress is now debating, just 19% of voters believe that Congress has passed any significant legislation to improve their lives. While Congress's approval has increased, it still stands at only 18%. Over two-thirds of voters believe members of Congress are more interested in helping their own careers than in helping the American people. When it comes to the nation's economic issues, two-thirds of voters have more confidence in their own judgment than they do in the average member of Congress.

Finally, what probably accounts for a good measure of the confidence and support the Obama administration has enjoyed is the fact that they are not Republicans. Virtually all Americans, more than eight in 10, blame Republicans for the current economic woes, and the only two leaders with lower approval ratings than Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are Republican leaders Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

All of this is not just a subject for pollsters and analysts to debate. It shows fundamentally that public confidence in government remains low and is slipping. We face the possibility of substantial gridlock along with an absolute absence of public confidence that could come to mirror the lack of confidence in the American economy that the Dow and the S&P are currently showing.

Mr. Schoen, formerly a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two Party System" (Random House, 2008). Mr. Rasmussen is president of Rasmussen Reports, an independent national polling company.



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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 10:29:21 AM »
I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA! 

Maybe he didn't read the whole article he copied and pasted.
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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2009, 11:19:43 AM »

M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.


Geeze.  Didn't take long for him to burn through his political capital.  Wait till he moves forward with socialized medicine . . . .

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2009, 12:04:44 PM »
Where do you guys get your polls from ::)  Hannity's fucking phone in? ::)

Obama is being tougher on our enemies than bush is.  isnt that funny?  The appeaser is suddenly telling pakistan, china, and Nkorea to shove it up their ass.

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 12:45:52 PM »
Where do you guys get your polls from ::)  Hannity's fucking phone in? ::)

His approval rating has been stuck from 60 to 65 the whole time.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#chart

Even this one shows a steady increase in disapproval ratings. 

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 01:34:35 PM »
The title of the thread reads his numbers are falling to earth.  APPROVAL RATINGS.  His approval ratings are staying in the same range.  Where is the falling to earth out of his average polling BB?

The substance of the thread included the quote that I responded to: 

M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.

The Rasmussen poll is below 60 percent, as is a few others.  But the most significant fact to me is the dramatic increase in his negative numbers, likely as a result of Republicans and indepedents being unhappy with him acting like an irresponsible socialist. 

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2009, 04:24:38 PM »
I don't give a shit about the post.  It was the general comments like yours about him going through his capital like one poll was a reflection of the actual picture. ::)  I've said a million fucking times Rasmussen is almost always nowhere near the other polls.  If all you want to do is find the poll that fits your agenda, why don't you just go all out and do what Joe does and post Hannity's phone in polls ::) 

Who cares what you think about Rasmussen?? 

What your own link shows is a downward trend regarding his negative poll numbers.  The average from your link is 30 percent.

And I don't have an agenda.   ::)

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2009, 06:09:38 PM »
It was quoted in the damm WSJ...not some wack job site on the Right or Left. Its not WND or prison planet. Look as fat as things happened for Bush, everything will continue to speed up for Obama. He had his metoric rise and he'll have his downfall either driven from the Right or Left. He's out of his depth.

Some of u people think ist great that he's suddenly putting pressure on Pakistan. Ever think Bush knew exactly what he was doing there. He was dealing with Musharif, not the current weak willed idiots running that country. Pakistan has its own insurgency, that its loosing. They will do what in its best interest. The current government is trying and failing to go after the Taliban in its own regions. Musharif knew that was a losing propostion. He knew he could not support operations into that are either with manpower, logistics or popular support. We can't do it either. Plus ur not counting Iraq into the equation. Bush crushed AQI...crushed em. Those that are left aren't idiots, they can continue the battle from Pakistan, where they can hide, re arm and rest.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 06:14:22 PM »
I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA! 

Ah..u know whats up my alley...watch the NE Pats play football, watching my son play football...going to the gym....nothing that invloves getting shot at. Ur understanding of the military and the mindset is infantile. Even Hugo completely understands that. I don't want to go into China, or Pakistan or nK. If I have to, I have to and will do my job even without the support of some of the idiots spread around the country. Obama will not pick a fight with China, he could set off nK but the damm easter bunny could piss them off, and Pakistan...he's pushed them into a fight they can't win. Obama is about the worst thing to happen to them. They are trying to be an "ally" and they could loose their country because of it.
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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 06:18:23 PM »
Ur melting dude.....the numbers don't lie. He's starting to loose what got him here. The hardcore leftists will continue to support him...but once the indy''s go, the leftwing dems will be in trouble in 2010.
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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2009, 06:20:21 PM »
I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA! 

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2009, 06:25:04 PM »
Ur melting dude.....the numbers don't lie. He's starting to loose what got him here. The hardcore leftists will continue to support him...but once the indy''s go, the leftwing dems will be in trouble in 2010.

Raw numbers don't mean poop without an understanding and an accurate translation of the data going into them.
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2009, 07:01:53 PM »
It was quoted in the damm WSJ...not some wack job site on the Right or Left. Its not WND or prison planet. Look as fat as things happened for Bush, everything will continue to speed up for Obama. He had his metoric rise and he'll have his downfall either driven from the Right or Left. He's out of his depth.

Some of u people think ist great that he's suddenly putting pressure on Pakistan. Ever think Bush knew exactly what he was doing there. He was dealing with Musharif, not the current weak willed idiots running that country. Pakistan has its own insurgency, that its loosing. They will do what in its best interest. The current government is trying and failing to go after the Taliban in its own regions. Musharif knew that was a losing propostion. He knew he could not support operations into that are either with manpower, logistics or popular support. We can't do it either. Plus ur not counting Iraq into the equation. Bush crushed AQI...crushed em. Those that are left aren't idiots, they can continue the battle from Pakistan, where they can hide, re arm and rest.

The Wall Street Journal must be a tool of rightwing wackos.   ::)

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2009, 07:03:57 PM »
who fucking cares what you think.  nobody but twit rightwing psycho retards.  There is no indication of his numbers "falling to earth" Or Obama losing all his political capital. Go play with your stupid fucking Hannity phone in poll jackass.  You too HH6...

You obviously care because you asked me a question.  lol . . . .

Go back to your bunker.  Come back after the white flash.   :)

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2009, 07:05:59 PM »
Ur melting dude.....the numbers don't lie. He's starting to loose what got him here. The hardcore leftists will continue to support him...but once the indy''s go, the leftwing dems will be in trouble in 2010.

Correct.  Even the link he provided shows a pretty clear increase in Obama's negative numbers across the board.  Must be a conspiracy. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2009, 07:13:30 PM »
No jackass, nobody gives a shit.  Questions can be rhetorical to pin down morons like you, it doesn't mean I give a fuck shit what you think.  You should dig a bunker, and seal yourself in it. 

Hahaha!  Okay Hugo.  You asked a rhetorical question.  lol . . . .

still laughing . . .   :)

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2009, 07:15:53 PM »
Ur reaction to this proves u know itgs not BS. Jag they give the breakdown of what the numbers mean...and its actually more troubling for Barry then a few % drop in the raw numbers. He was elected on the backs of the Indy's and the anybody but Bush crowd....they now realize they got screwed.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2009, 07:23:15 PM »
Dude..real clear is an average and his numbers aren't that far off....Obama is approaching average numbers, in fact he's only 2 down from Newsweek to Rasmusen...Christ Fox has him at 62...second highest of all the numbers.
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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2009, 07:30:23 PM »
And rasmusen has numbers saying that Barry's numbers are trending down..especially among those who put him over the top....he will not maintain these numbers.
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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2009, 07:33:06 PM »
His approval numbers, on realclear, have been in the same range, within about 5 points, the whole fucking time.  What the fuck are you talking about? ::)  I said real clear was an average, guess you're not reading my posts.  No wonder you think I'm wrong.  Easy to say with a blindfold on ::)

You are clueless.  If you actually read your own link you'd see that his negative numbers have steadily increased from 20 to 30 percent.

And his approval rating started at 83 percent and is now at 60 or below, so saying the poll numbers are "falling to Earth" is absolutely correct.  http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889&sectionid=3510203

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2009, 07:43:42 PM »
You are clueless.  If you actually read your own link you'd see that his negative numbers have steadily increased from 20 to 30 percent.

And his approval rating started at 83 percent and is now at 60 or below, so saying the poll numbers are "falling to Earth" is absolutely correct.  http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889&sectionid=3510203

and his approval ratings didn't start at 83 percent you lying pos. ::)

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Re: Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2009, 07:51:25 PM »
What do u want...his numbers are falling..the shine has worn off. All we're debating is how fast.

And Barack Obama's poll numbers have slid almost 10% already. According to the latest Gallup Poll, the new president's approval rating of 68% in January has slipped now to 63%, about average for recent new presidents one month in.

What isn't average, however, is Obama's new disapproval rating -- 24%, or 50% higher than the 16% average for a month-old new presidency.

And it's twice the 12% disapproval rate that Obama had last month.

While liberal and independent support has held fairly steady, the rookie chief executive's approval among Republicans has plunged from 41% to 30%, presumably tied at least somewhat to growing awareness of the spending program. The drop has been especially steep among conservatives, from 36% at inauguration to 22% now.

Additionally, Obama's support has weakened among middle-class Americans, those touted during the campaign as benefiting from his promised tax cuts. Among that working crowd, Obama's approval fell from 69% to 58%.

Tonight's speech before a joint session of Congress and a nationwide television audience will give the new 47-year-old president an opportunity to make his case, not just for his already-signed but still controversial economic stimulus package but for his own evolving style of executive leadership.

And to possibly put the crumpled Cabinet nominations of recent weeks behind him.

Historically, 63-62% approval after a month is about average; Ronald Reagan had the worst at 55%, and Jimmy Carter had the best at 71%. Look how they turned out.

In fact, after 30 days, the Gallup Poll shows Obama has about the same approval rating as did George H.W. Bush and his son, George W. Bush, the man whose eight years in office the Illinois senator so often denounced as destructive during the recent campaign.

What's surprising, as the astute Don Surber points out this morning, is that the gap between approval and disapproval is worse now for Obama than it was for the newly departed Texan after his first month. Bush's differential gap was 41 points between approval and disapproval. Obama's is 39 points, still above Bill Clinton, who had the worst differential of 30 points. Carter again had the best after one month of 62. Richard Nixon had 54.

The new Gallup survey involved 1,614 adult Americans between Feb. 19-21 with a margin of error of +/-3%.

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