Author Topic: Question for Bush voters... (Read 2831 times)

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:40:46 AM »

I think we'd see some of the spending but certainly not all of it, particularly the bloated budget Obama is trying to get through for 2010. Your right, he was in favor of spending/bailouts for the financial industry and the mortgage crisis...but not things like cap and trade and universal health care.

240 is Back · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:43:40 AM »

good point tu>

All of them are/were spendaholics. Bush, mccain, and obama.
Bush and mccain liked war spending and tax cuts, which went to a few.
Obama's spending the money to create 4 million new jobs in america.

It's spending that we all hate... but can anyone raise thei hand if they think giving exxon 40 billion in tax cuts is a better idea than creating $40 bil worth of salary for unemployed americans rebuilding our roads and bridges?

wild willie · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:44:03 AM »

Bush all the way...... now, if J C Watts was running on the republican ticket, I would go with Watts. I always thought he would be our first black president. He has left the political arena for now though. Obama is just too far to the left for me.
Bush made mistakes but at least he had balls and was ready to make someone answer some questions about terrorism. My 2 cents!

tu_holmes · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:03:55 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 25, 2009, 11:37:34 AM

I have been sold on the Schiff idea of what is going on and the cure for this problem.

A lot of people are... I'm on the fence.

I do however believe that Bush was just sitting around doing nothing for a long time and at the very least Obama is doing what he believes is going to help.

People certainly seem to want to crucify Obama for his plan, when I'm kind of happy to have a President who is expressing a plan and showing off some ideas.

It's been awhile since we had that.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:06:46 PM »

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:08:11 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 25, 2009, 12:03:55 PM

A lot of people are... I'm on the fence.

I do however believe that Bush was just sitting around doing nothing for a long time and at the very least Obama is doing what he believes is going to help.

People certainly seem to want to crucify Obama for his plan, when I'm kind of happy to have a President who is expressing a plan and showing off some ideas.

It's been awhile since we had that.

I think Shicff is 100% correct in that he says we borrow too much compared to what we produce and that our problem is too much spending and not enough producing and selling.

BM OUT · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:10:48 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 25, 2009, 10:57:06 AM

9.11 happened on Bush's watch, despite very clear warnings 6 weeks out. Maybe he wanted it to happen (fulfilling cheney's war desires), maybe it was jut gross ignorance of job duties, who knows.

All the borrowing happened on Bush's watch.

Obama's spending like crazy, but only because he inherited a 1.1 trillion annual deficit and a falling dollar. bush inherited a good situation with an ANNUAL BUDGET SURPLUS in 2000. He squadered it for wars - at least one of which was voluntary and elective.

1.1 trillion will rurn into 10 trillion in ten years with Obamas plan.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:11:04 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 25, 2009, 12:08:11 PM

I think Shicff is 100% correct in that he says we borrow too much compared to what we produce and that our problem is too much spending and not enough producing and selling.

I myself may agree with you... I'm just not an economist and may or may not be correct.

George Whorewell · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:50:56 PM »

Bush- For the same reason I voted for him when he ran against Kerry. Don't like him, but the alternative bothers me a lot more and will be even worse for the country. Given that 3rd party wasn't a choice, I'd have to stick with the incumbent. Now, I wasn't old enough to vote in 2000- But if I had been, I likely would have voted for Gore.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:45:09 PM »

Domestically Bush was marginal to horrible. I disagree on no child, I disagree on immigration. But everything he did foreign policy wise, no problems whatsoever. I have no problem with the Patriot act under Bush, under the Dems, didfferent story. I have no problem with Gitmo, other then most should have been executed long before soiling US territory. I have no problem with Iraq or anything else we're doing.

Deicide · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:48:53 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 01:45:09 PM

Domestically Bush was marginal to horrible. I disagree on no child, I disagree on immigration. But everything he did foreign policy wise, no problems whatsoever. I have no problem with the Patriot act under Bush, under the Dems, didfferent story. I have no problem with Gitmo, other then most should have been executed long before soiling US territory. I have no problem with Iraq or anything else we're doing.

You love being an imperialist, don't you? Hell, you should love Obama, he is a much better imperialist than Bush.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:52:38 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 01:45:09 PM

Domestically Bush was marginal to horrible. I disagree on no child, I disagree on immigration. But everything he did foreign policy wise, no problems whatsoever. I have no problem with the Patriot act under Bush, under the Dems, didfferent story. I have no problem with Gitmo, other then most should have been executed long before soiling US territory. I have no problem with Iraq or anything else we're doing.

Why do you give a shit about the rest of the world so much? I certainly don't.

How about fixing shit here first.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:56:47 PM »

I don't, but much of the rest of the world doesn't behave well with others. So somebody has to keep their foot on the collective necks of the nutbags.

Decide were ur parents hippies too.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:57:57 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 01:56:47 PM

I don't, but much of the rest of the world doesn't behave well with others. So somebody has to keep their foot on the collective necks of the nutbags.

Decide were ur parents hippies too.

I guess I just don't get it... If they fuck with me, drop the bombs... if not... Then fuck 'em.

Deicide · « **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:00:38 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 01:56:47 PM

I don't, but much of the rest of the world doesn't behave well with others. So somebody has to keep their foot on the collective necks of the nutbags.

Decide were ur parents hippies too.

I am not a hippy and my political affiliations are well known. The British thought much the same. I don't think governments, nations or individuals have the right to impose their will on others through force. I believe in freedom and freedom precludes imperialism.

Deicide · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:01:44 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 25, 2009, 01:52:38 PM

Why do you give a shit about the rest of the world so much? I certainly don't.

How about fixing shit here first.

QFT.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:06:47 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 25, 2009, 11:43:40 AM

good point tu>

All of them are/were spendaholics. Bush, mccain, and obama.
Bush and mccain liked war spending and tax cuts, which went to a few.
Obama's spending the money to create 4 million new jobs in america.

It's spending that we all hate... but can anyone raise thei hand if they think giving exxon 40 billion in tax cuts is a better idea than creating $40 bil worth of salary for unemployed americans rebuilding our roads and bridges?

Just for your information $40 billion in roads will not create 4 million jobs,
$4 trilllion on roads will not create 4 million jobs.
People don't build roads by hand anymore.
Most of the companies that do this work are massive and all you would be doing is preventing layoffs.

Tax cuts, reduction of overhead on small business and freeing up the banks from toxic assets so they could loan money would do far more. That's where all of the stimulus should have went to. TARP 2 will help though.

http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html

http://www.sba.gov/advo/research/sb_econ2008.pdf

http://www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs264tot.pdf

headhuntersix · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:11:13 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 25, 2009, 01:57:57 PM

I guess I just don't get it... If they fuck with me, drop the bombs... if not... Then fuck 'em.

I'd say that I'd rather try and stop them before they fuck with u.

Decide, the world is not a level playing field, do unto others before they fuck ur day with a nuke. Or..my favorite...rubble doesn't make trouble.

Deicide · « **Reply #43 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:12:55 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 02:11:13 PM

I'd say that I'd rather try and stop them before they fuck with u.

Decide, the world is not a level playing field, do unto others before they fuck ur day with a nuke. Or..my favorite...rubble doesn't make trouble.

That's the difference between our thinking.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #44 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:14:20 PM »

Yep...I live in the real world and u live in fuzzy bunny land. In both our worlds South Korea is still screwed up.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #45 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:19:37 PM »

"Anyone who thought the new administration wasn't serious about fighting terrorism better just sit down and STFU! The new sheriff and his gang of euphemizers who won't discuss shooting straight have shown their mettle. They will put the fear of ~~God Allah~~ Teleprompter Jesus into those ~~Islamist terrorists~~ Disaster causing men overseas who keep ~~blowing up~~ creating localized incidents of an explosive nature where innocents ~~are slaughtered~~ inconvenienced in a big way.

WTF people? Do they really think they can change a few words and all of a sudden we are no longer at war with deranged devotees of Islam who are pretty sure what they are up to. They have no qualms about their Global Jihad to impose Sharia law and create a new Caliphate. Sorry for the straight talk there I wouldn't want to offend anyone or make them feel uncomfortable.

I wish this wasn't symptomatic of the mindset of our moral betters on the left, but I have lived among them enough to know that they really believe the bad guys are simply chafed that we call them what they are names. And if we would quit classifying people who do evil things as evil then we wouldn't have to hear the word evil and voila bunnies, unicorns and decaf soy lattes for everyone. To call them dangerously naive is an understatement and these are the folks who are going to negotiate with Ahm-a-nuttah-job, Putin and the Chinese? We are in deep shite"

Deicide · « **Reply #46 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:19:54 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 02:14:20 PM

Yep...I live in the real world and u live in fuzzy bunny land. In both our worlds South Korea is still screwed up.

If we didn't meddle to begin with, we wouldn't have these problems.

Yes, S.Korea sucks but I had to actually work there. I suspect our reasons are very different indeed.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #47 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:21:41 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on March 25, 2009, 02:19:54 PM

If we didn't meddle to begin with, we wouldn't have these problems.

Yes, S.Korea sucks but I had to actually work there. I suspect our reasons are very different indeed.

See no talking to u..."we're meddling" I must have missed world wars 1/2..the nKorean invasion of the South..Pol Pot..the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait...and the millions of other things we didn't have anything to do with starting.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #48 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:25:00 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 02:21:41 PM

See no talking to u..."we're meddling" I must have missed world wars 1/2..the nKorean invasion of the South..Pol Pot..the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait...and the millions of other things we didn't have anything to do with starting.

You're right... we didn't start them, but we did go in and actually accomplish something.

This pre-emptive shit isn't doing a damn thing and is truly just sucking up money.

Sorry, but while you may think it's ok to pre-emtively strike those who "may" do us harm... That's not how the fucking world works.

It's not about fuzzy bunnies... It's about realizing that just because you don't like someone doesn't give you the right to run around and blow them the fuck up.

Deicide · « **Reply #49 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:27:03 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 25, 2009, 02:21:41 PM

See no talking to u..."we're meddling" I must have missed world wars 1/2..the nKorean invasion of the South..Pol Pot..the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait...and the millions of other things we didn't have anything to do with starting.

We forced our way into WWI; WWII we were attacked and he rest never had anything to do with us.