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The lines are drawn in the GOP. 

Palin, Pindal, Cheney, and Huckabee want to toss out the moderates and stick to the far-right tenets of the party.

Tom Ridge, Charlie Crist, Mitt Romney, Jeb, and Cantor want to try to draw back those moderates, to reclaim those independents who have jumped at a 3-to-1 ratio to (I) status since the election.

Which side is right?  Do they soften their stances and bring the moderates back?  Or do they stick to their guns, even though the issues they hold dear are becoming less important to Americans?




Huckabee: GOP could become 'irrelevant as the Whigs'

In an interview with the California newspaper The Visalia Times-Delta, Huckabee said the GOP would only further decline in influence should it alienate social conservatives — largely considered the most energetic and loyal faction of the party.

"Throw the social conservatives the pro-life, pro-family people overboard and the Republican party will be as irrelevant as the Whigs," he said in reference to the American political party that largely disbanded in the mid 1800s.

"They'll basically be a party of gray-haired old men sitting around the country club puffing cigars, sipping brandy and wondering whatever happened to the country. That will be the end of the party," he said in the interview published Thursday.

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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 10:24:00 AM »
Tom Ridge on the Republican party: We're a little bit too doggone shrill

Ridge makes a LOT of sense here.  He could bring those moderates back in.


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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 10:28:48 AM »
Palin,Pindal,cheney, and Huckabee are dinosaurs.there lack of ability to adapt or evolve will cause there extinction.
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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 10:35:20 AM »
Palin,Pindal,cheney, and Huckabee are dinosaurs.there lack of ability to adapt or evolve will cause there extinction.
i agree that the GOP needs to be a little more flexible on certain issues but like 240 always says politics are cyclical and after the debacle that in all likelyhood will be obamas presidency ppl like jindal and huck will seem less outlandish then they are now...

PPL claiming independent instead of rep doesnt mean shit as well all know the vast majority of ind. lean right and that wont change which means they will still vote right the vast majority of the time. Their values havent changed its the black eye the GOP has right now thats pushing them away you put a person up there who embodies their values and they will vote for them and who do you think has a better chance of doing that the dems or the reps?

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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 10:37:31 AM »
we all know the vast majority of ind. lean right and that wont change which means they will still vote right the vast majority of the time.

They didn't in 2006 or 2008.

Since then, the (R) is down to 21%.

I don't foresee any change in voting patterns as long as fewer people each day call themselves (R).

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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2009, 10:39:58 AM »
Oh no.....keep jobless rates at their current level or worse and Barry and the Dems will be just as gone as Bush. It wasn't the war or gitmo or torture...it was 401k's and indy vote.
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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2009, 10:44:49 AM »
Oh no.....keep jobless rates at their current level or worse and Barry and the Dems will be just as gone as Bush. It wasn't the war or gitmo or torture...it was 401k's and indy vote.

What do you think the GOP should do, HH6?

Let the libs in so they can win... or remain obsolete and stick to their religious guns?

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2009, 10:45:33 AM »
They didn't in 2006 or 2008.

Since then, the (R) is down to 21%.

I don't foresee any change in voting patterns as long as fewer people each day call themselves (R).
right b/c the GOP didnt have a black eye back then either right? LOL face it bro values havent changed and the reps embody those values more then the dems do you agree or disagree?

The dems have lost ppl since then as well what do you attribute that to?


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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2009, 10:51:17 AM »
LOL face it bro values havent changed and the reps embody those values more then the dems do you agree or disagree?

What values?

Abstinence?  Bush economic plan?  Wars in iraq?  hardlining Iran?

Proof is in the pudding.  People are voting against these things.

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2009, 10:55:03 AM »
Peopole have no idea about the war in Iraq or Iran. They know that they're 401k's dissapeared an the plants are closing. They know Barry is slick and looks good and they knew they didn't want Bush. Thats it. But wait...Iran or some other nutbag will take up the appeasers invitation and we'll get hit somewhere..and out will go the Left.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2009, 10:56:22 AM »
What values?

Abstinence?  Bush economic plan?  Wars in iraq?  hardlining Iran?

Proof is in the pudding.  People are voting against these things.
LOL you really are a jack ass

the values of the ppl dip shit the values of the ppl havent changed

so you think welfare programs, increased government spending, increased government control etc...are what the independents value?  ::) face it bro your guy is the opposite of what the VAST majority of independents value.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2009, 10:59:25 AM »
They just didn't like McCain or Bush..thus the Appeaser in Chief got in.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2009, 11:04:57 AM »
Maybe RP can change the course of the Republican Party...maybe.
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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2009, 11:09:00 AM »
LOL you really are a jack ass

meltdown.

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2009, 11:10:10 AM »
meltdown.
you could say that, one could also say starting thread after thread of rep bashing is a meltdown as well

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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2009, 11:11:03 AM »
Maybe RP can change the course of the Republican Party...maybe.
like i told RPF he just doenst appeal to the masses some of his ideas while you and i may agree with just arent what ppl want to hear.

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2009, 11:13:39 AM »
like i told RPF he just doenst appeal to the masses some of his ideas while you and i may agree with just arent what ppl want to hear.

Dude, doesn't matter. You got the guns. 8)
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2009, 11:50:50 AM »
you could say that, one could also say starting thread after thread of rep bashing is a meltdown as well

This isn't rep bashing.  I'm excited the republican party is finally discussing what it will take to get out of the neocon slump they've been in for 9 years.

I like guys like Crist who will UNITE and not condumn anyone not like them.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2009, 11:54:41 AM »
This isn't rep bashing.  I'm excited the republican party is finally discussing what it will take to get out of the neocon slump they've been in for 9 years.

I like guys like Crist who will UNITE and not condumn anyone not like them.

So...come 2012...what will happen Rob?
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2009, 11:55:02 AM »
This isn't rep bashing.  I'm excited the republican party is finally discussing what it will take to get out of the neocon slump they've been in for 9 years.

I like guys like Crist who will UNITE and not condumn anyone not like them.
LOL not this paticular thread no but there are plenty of other 240 threads out there that do bash, lets see also how about your avalanche of palin threads...MELTDOWN  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2009, 11:56:04 AM »
Dude, doesn't matter. You got the guns. 8)
LOL thanks im just short with average size arms though.

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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2009, 11:58:05 AM »
The GOP doesn't need to become more liberal.  Conservative presidents have been winning elections for decades.  In fact, I think the majority of the country agrees with conservatives on social and fiscal issues.  

The problem is the party lacks focus and a true leader.  

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2009, 12:01:34 PM »
LOL thanks im just short with average size arms though.

Better than mine...I'm short too. 5'8"...

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2009, 12:08:27 PM »
Better than mine...I'm short too. 5'8"...


:o you look like a mean fucker good sized arms too, im shorter then you are 5'7" ish so your arms would look bigger on me and my arms smaller on you

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Re: It's official - the 2 sides of the GOP are forming!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2009, 12:11:00 PM »
Nice tat.

The GOP just needs to focus on limited government and allowing people to keep more of their tax dollars.  That will win back the moderates and libertarians.  They also need to be a bit more open minded and accept people who don't have far right religious values.  Democrats aren't all the same, republicans don't need to be all the same either.  The party should have some general solid guidelines but can't force people out that don't agree on every social issue.