Author Topic: If Scott Roeder was an Atheist would he still have murdered Dr. Tiller?  (Read 5567 times)

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If so on what grounds?

Are there any atheist or agnostic radical/extremist pro-life groups?

They all seem to be christian/catholic

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those godless atheists having sex before marriage - we can't trust them  ;D

Straw Man

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those godless atheists having sex before marriage - we can't trust them  ;D

christians have sex before marriage too.

they just lie about it

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christians have sex before marriage too.

they just lie about it

WHAT!!? You mean Christians are hypocrites - no that can't be and I had so much faith  :'(

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If so on what grounds?

Are there any atheist or agnostic radical/extremist pro-life groups?

They all seem to be christian/catholic


Well the man was obviously unstable, who knows what could have set him off. I'm sure there are athiest and or agnostics out there who think abortion is morally wrong, just from a human standpoint.

Yeah its easy to take ot shots at Christians, but a true Christian wouldn't act in the manner of extremest groups, Fred Phelps and the like.

Perhaps if more Christians took this stance,

Matthew 7,1-5
Jesus said to his disciples: 'Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you. Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own? And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own? Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.'

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Well the man was obviously unstable, who knows what could have set him off. I'm sure there are athiest and or agnostics out there who think abortion is morally wrong, just from a human standpoint.
Yeah its easy to take ot shots at Christians, but a true Christian wouldn't act in the manner of extremest groups, Fred Phelps and the like.

Perhaps if more Christians took this stance,

Matthew 7,1-5
Jesus said to his disciples: 'Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you. Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own? And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own? Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.'

I totally agree that if more christians (and atheist and agnostics too) tried to follow the teaching of the Sermon on the Mount this entire planet would be a much better place

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I don't condone any murderer but think about the ideal you seem to be supporting. Detailing communism's crimes from Russia in 1917 to Afghanistan in 1989, violence committed in the name of communism/atheism puts the death toll between 85 and 100 million victims dwarfing all other religious conflicts in history combined.

As quoted by one of the evil masters instrumental in guiding the history of this planet: "atheism is the true origins of savagery and the most bloody turmoil".

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I don't condone any murderer but think about the ideal you seem to be supporting. Detailing communism's crimes from Russia in 1917 to Afghanistan in 1989, violence committed in the name of communism/atheism puts the death toll between 85 and 100 million victims dwarfing all other religious conflicts in history combined.

As quoted by one of the evil masters instrumental in guiding the history of this planet: "atheism is the true origins of savagery and the most bloody turmoil".

these weren't done in the "name of atheism"


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these weren't done in the "name of atheism"


Indeed, in the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, etc.etc etc... produced the kind of mass slaughter that no inquisitor could possibly match.

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Indeed, in the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, etc.etc etc... produced the kind of mass slaughter that no inquisitor could possibly match.

who else besides religious people were targeted?

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these weren't done in the "name of atheism"


roeders action werent done in the name of christianity either seeing as christianity doesnt advocate those actions...they were done in the name of the nutbags beliefs not christian beliefs... ::)

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roeders action werent done in the name of christianity either seeing as christianity doesnt advocate those actions...they were done in the name of the nutbags beliefs not christian beliefs... ::)

Based on this, I'm expecting you to never say another negative word about Muslims again!
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roeders action werent done in the name of christianity either seeing as christianity doesnt advocate those actions...they were done in the name of the nutbags beliefs not christian beliefs... ::)

I'll bet you a dollar that he thought his actions were in defense (or in the name) of christianity

I'm well aware that most christians don't advocate these actions

did you watch the Schaeffer video?

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I'll bet you a dollar that he thought his actions were in defense (or in the name) of christianity

I'm well aware that most christians don't advocate these actions

did you watch the Schaeffer video?
thinking and actually doing are 2 different things straw

are you well aware that christianity doesnt advocate such actions? if you are then how can you seriously think that this mans actions are in the name of christianity?

i watched your maddow vid already today straw ill watch you schaef vid tomorrow.

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thinking and actually doing are 2 different things straw

are you well aware that christianity doesnt advocate such actions? if you are then how can you seriously think that this mans actions are in the name of christianity?

i watched your maddow vid already today straw ill watch you schaef vid tomorrow.

yep and incitement is different from thinking and doing too

so is criminal conspiracy


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yep and incitement is different from thinking and doing too

so is criminal conspiracy


please show me how operation rescue incited this, again you cant show me how they or christianity incites this type of violence. ITS THE NUTJOB THAT INCITES THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE if it wasnt then this type of action would be much more prevalent.

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please show me how operation rescue incited this, again you cant show me how they or christianity incites this type of violence. ITS THE NUTJOB THAT INCITES THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE if it wasnt then this type of action would be much more prevalent.

I'm not doing the investigation

try to calm down if you can

tonymctones

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I'm not doing the investigation

try to calm down if you can
you are the one making assertions and as such its up to you to prove your assertions...

Straw Man

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you are the one making assertions and as such its up to you to prove your assertions...

what assertions?

what rule says I have to prove anything to you?

seriously man, everything I write is relatively clear (assuming no typos)

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Indeed, in the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, etc.etc etc... produced the kind of mass slaughter that no inquisitor could possibly match.

From "A License to Kill: Atheism and the Mass Murders of History (Chapter 19)", of "What's So Great About Christianity?" by Dinesh D'Souza


While they regularly fault religion for its role in promoting conflict and violence, secular writers rarely examine the role of atheism in producing wars and killing. It's interesting that we routinely hear about how much historical suffering religion has caused. Five hundred years after the Inquisition, we are still talking about it, but less than two decades after the collapse of "godless Communism", there is an eerie silence about the mass grave of the Soviet Gulag. Why the absense of accountability? Does atheism mean never having to say you're sorry?

In the past one hundred years or so, the most powerful atheistic regimes--Communist Russia, Communist China, and Nazi Germany--have wiped outout people in astronomical numbers. Stalin was responsible for about 20 million deaths, produced through mass slayings, forced labor camps, show trials followed by firing squads, population relocation, starvation, and so on. Jung Chang and Jon Halliday's recent study
Mao: The Unknown Story attributes to Mao Zedong's regime a staggering 70 million deaths. Some China scholars think Chang and Halliday's numbers are a bit high, but the authors present convincing evidence that Mao's atheist regime was the most murderous in world history.

Stalin's and Mao's killings--unlike those of, say, the Crusades or the Thirty Years' War--were done in peacetime and were ;erformed on their fellow countrymen. Hitler comes a distance third with around 10 million murders, 6 million of them Jews.


In short, the followers of Islam and Chrisitanity, for all of their flaws, aren't even CLOSE to amassing the amount of bodies that either Stalin or Mao racked up.

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what assertions?

what rule says I have to prove anything to you?

seriously man, everything I write is relatively clear (assuming no typos)
you assert that operation rescue and ludicrously religion are culpable for this nut jobs action...

russels teapot...LOOK IT UP another logic thing...who knew you wouldnt know?

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Its obvious that most crimes are because of Christians and operation rescue.Lets see,we have 5 doctors in the history of this country that have been shot down by anti-abortionists.Lets compare that to how many whites have been gun downed by blacks.Certainly,it must be because they are black that they are prone to murder.It must be leaders like Obama,Jackson and Sharpton who inspire such hatred.It cant possibly be just a bunch of nuts or criminals doing what they do.There has to be some more evil motive behind it.Stupid.

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who else besides religious people were targeted?

Educated people, teachers, basically anyone who could think on their own and counter what the communist were trying to do.
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