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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2009, 02:34:47 PM »
i personally wouldn't mind seeing a bimbo's ass but that's just me. unnamed getbiggers will live in private compounds where they can walk naked if they wanted to, they just can't go like that in public and i approve that for the benefit of everyone.
How do you justify this?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

Friday, 15 March, 2002, 12:19 GMT
Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue
 

Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
In a rare criticism of the kingdom's powerful "mutaween" police, the Saudi media has accused them of hindering attempts to save 15 girls who died in the fire on Monday.

About 800 pupils were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred.

 
15 girls died in the blaze and more than 50 others were injured
According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.


One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

The Saudi Gazette quoted witnesses as saying that the police - known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice - had stopped men who tried to help the girls and warned "it is a sinful to approach them".

The father of one of the dead girls said that the school watchman even refused to open the gates to let the girls out.

"Lives could have been saved had they not been stopped by members of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice," the newspaper concluded.

Relatives' anger

Families of the victims have been incensed over the deaths.

Most of the victims were crushed in a stampede as they tried to flee the blaze.

The school was locked at the time of the fire - a usual practice to ensure full segregation of the sexes.

The religious police are widely feared in Saudi Arabia. They roam the streets enforcing dress codes and sex segregation, and ensuring prayers are performed on time.

Those who refuse to obey their orders are often beaten and sometimes put in jail.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2009, 02:43:10 PM »
I have a problem with nuns and EVERY STUPID Religion, such as yours, which does nothing but suppress rational thought, hinder Science, progress and mistreat, belittle and dehumanize women for no other reason other than male arrogance and a fictitious belief in a sky god.

how does Islam hinder Science and thoughts when in fact the first word in the Quran is "Read", and dehumanizing women is a western myth. when did Muslims rule half the world and flourish in ever field? it's when they took the right teachings of the religion

Your religion along with Christianity and Judaism are responsible for the most death and human suffering ever carried out on this tiny planet.  Your religion especially is at the forefront of this ridiculous calamity.

not really, numbers don't tell anything. look at world war II  

Your culture and religion`s treatment of women and their suppression of freedom is appalling.   With beliefs fueled by Sharia Law and a culture based on pure ignorance, a death cult and a poor understanding of the Universe and basic world facts,  I cannot do anything else but condemn you and every single person who contributes to the debilitation of mankind.  Lets face it, that is ALL you and your culture and religion are doing.

care to give examples, your accusations are too general.

You drive a Ferrari but think the world is only 6000 years old and then subject your women to mental and physical torture.  And some how you are okay with this gross disparity of sexism and male dominated barbarism.

where does it say that the world is 6000 years old??, Noah was said to have lived more than a thousand years.

It gives me nothing but a sour taste in my mouth and can only hope that your culture NEVER is imported by anyone else or exported beyond the walled ignorance of your sand castle dictatorship known as Saudi Arabia.

never mistake the sad mental state of the Arabs with Islam, the two are not to be linked

Christianity is horrible and oppressive enough, the last thing we or anyone else needs is a competing dogma for the same fairy tale and affectation of a Universal Sky God with differing prophet zombies and the ensuing war you both wish to fight over such utter nonsense.

Destroy yourselves somewhere else.   Please.

a bit harsh no?

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2009, 02:44:31 PM »
so basically you're saying in your country we should do as you please

and in our country we should do as you please

doesnt seem fair

simple, i'm asking you to be decent and wondering why you would'nt let me be decent.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2009, 02:48:34 PM »
simple, i'm asking you to be decent and wondering why you would'nt let me be decent.

actually, you're trying to impose your definition of decency on me.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2009, 02:51:18 PM »
How do you justify this?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

Friday, 15 March, 2002, 12:19 GMT
Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue
 

Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
In a rare criticism of the kingdom's powerful "mutaween" police, the Saudi media has accused them of hindering attempts to save 15 girls who died in the fire on Monday.

About 800 pupils were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred.

 
15 girls died in the blaze and more than 50 others were injured
According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.


One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

The Saudi Gazette quoted witnesses as saying that the police - known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice - had stopped men who tried to help the girls and warned "it is a sinful to approach them".

The father of one of the dead girls said that the school watchman even refused to open the gates to let the girls out.

"Lives could have been saved had they not been stopped by members of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice," the newspaper concluded.

Relatives' anger

Families of the victims have been incensed over the deaths.

Most of the victims were crushed in a stampede as they tried to flee the blaze.

The school was locked at the time of the fire - a usual practice to ensure full segregation of the sexes.

The religious police are widely feared in Saudi Arabia. They roam the streets enforcing dress codes and sex segregation, and ensuring prayers are performed on time.

Those who refuse to obey their orders are often beaten and sometimes put in jail.


that was in 2002, this was a sad case of ignorancy and caused disbelief from everyone. they were punished for what they've done and they got fired from their jobs.

male doctors have no problem treating a female, so why would a firefighter not be allowed to rescue one.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2009, 02:56:07 PM »
actually, you're trying to impose your definition of decency on me.

are you trying to say that a covered woman is not more decent than a girl covering just her nipples and crack?

only a 17 year old boy would find that logical.

and btw i find your definition of nudity as a laughing matter. a girl covering her nipple with a patch is okay, god forbid she shows just the nipple and she becomes naked?

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2009, 03:06:46 PM »
are you trying to say that a covered woman is not more decent than a girl covering just her nipples and crack?

only a 17 year old boy would find that logical.

and btw i find your definition of nudity as a laughing matter. a girl covering her nipple with a patch is okay, god forbid she shows just the nipple and she becomes naked?

permitting a woman to wear what she pleases is more decent to me than requiring her to wear something.

also, i don't come to KSA and mock you for the ridiculous things that happen in your country

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2009, 04:53:12 PM »
Discussions like these are many and all eventually become tedious and long. The bottom line is everyone has their own way of thinking what is wrong and what is right.
Even taking time out to answer is really only fuelling the fire and this never ending debate of ‘organized religion’ will never end.

The Article:
The buqini is a swim suit. To claim it is being banned due to health reasons because it is worn on the streets is preposterous. It is worn in a pool ONLY. Not on the streets.

Adapting to ones civilization:
It is completely fair to argue: when in Rome do as Romans do.
However, when has it become western law to HAVE to bare skin? The woman is wearing a burqini the equivalent to a WET SUIT.
Yes, women have fought for years to become independent. So let them wear whatever the hell they want to at the beach or in the pool. To say one HAS to wear a bikini is simply being exactly what you claim others are:close minded.
Everyone is ready to point a finger at the Middle East for being a dictatorship, but aren't the men here dictating what women should or should not wear? What happened to her freedom of choice?!

permitting a woman to wear what she pleases is more decent to me than requiring her to wear something.

Thank you M_Valencia. My point exactly.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2009, 05:51:49 PM »
Should I remind you that Toronto (the town that took you in) was the hometown of cheering muslims, jubilating and joy crying when 9/11 occured?

Quite a "country" you have up there... ::) ::) ::)

There were no cheering muslims, jubilating and joy crying in Toronto when 911 occurred. Everyone was shocked & saddened.

There were however happy zionists who felt this was a catalyst that would provide Israel a greater freedom to apply even more force against her enemies. And as we all know, ...there were those Israeli "movers" in NY who were infact cheering.
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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2009, 06:09:50 PM »


if a woman by her own free will decides to cover her hair or body then so be it. why would anyone have a problem with that?. in a world that lacks decency where people tend to force you to see what you may not want to see, i find this to be crazy.

I agree with this statement, as well as M_Valencia's when he said "permitting a woman to wear what she pleases is more decent to me than requiring her to wear something." That's why I think this French move is about power & control.

One woman's hell is another woman's paradise, ...and as difficult as our western sensibility is at accepting it,
some women really DO embrace the burka and consider it extremely liberating. I think that in a Western society that prides itself on individual freedoms, those who want to wear the burka, should be allowed to, and those who want to shed it, should also be allowed to do so.
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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2009, 06:23:14 PM »


permitting a woman to wear what she pleases is more decent to me than requiring her to wear something.

Thank you M_Valencia. My point exactly.


your point is more that the French should not be allowed to require "skin tight" but that KSA can require "burqa" ... as far as I'm concerned, neither party has much of a leg to stand on.

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« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2009, 07:22:35 PM »
I have a problem with nuns and EVERY STUPID Religion, such as yours, which does nothing but suppress rational thought, hinder Science, progress and mistreat, belittle and dehumanize women for no other reason other than male arrogance and a fictitious belief in a sky god.

Your religion along with Christianity and Judaism are responsible for the most death and human suffering ever carried out on this tiny planet.  Your religion especially is at the forefront of this ridiculous calamity.

Your culture and religion`s treatment of women and their suppression of freedom is appalling.   With beliefs fueled by Sharia Law and a culture based on pure ignorance, a death cult and a poor understanding of the Universe and basic world facts,  I cannot do anything else but condemn you and every single person who contributes to the debilitation of mankind.  Lets face it, that is ALL you and your culture and religion are doing.

You drive a Ferrari but think the world is only 6000 years old and then subject your women to mental and physical torture.  And some how you are okay with this gross disparity of sexism and male dominated barbarism.

It gives me nothing but a sour taste in my mouth and can only hope that your culture NEVER is imported by anyone else or exported beyond the walled ignorance of your sand castle dictatorship known as Saudi Arabia.

Christianity is horrible and oppressive enough, the last thing we or anyone else needs is a competing dogma for the same fairy tale and affectation of a Universal Sky God with differing prophet zombies and the ensuing war you both wish to fight over such utter nonsense.

Destroy yourselves somewhere else.   Please.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2009, 07:24:22 PM »
Every time I hear people say the Muslims never invented anything, I have to laugh.

Can you imagine where we would be without the suicide vest and IED?
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« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2009, 07:51:54 PM »
Every time I hear people say the Muslims never invented anything, I have to laugh.

Can you imagine where we would be without the suicide vest and IED?

As much as people like to disparage Muslim culture... understand the Islam of today, ...is not the same as that of yesteryear. The world does owe an incredible debt of gratitude towards Islam. Without Islamic culture, ...we would not be who we are today. Unfortunately, like any great civilization or empire that has fallen, it's message and meaning gets lost, and distorted from the passage of time, and the deliberate eradication of it's culture by the victors of war. Islamic culture and the fall of it's empire, gave birth to Europe's renaissance. Today, modern Islam finds itself trying to reclaim it's former glory, but it must rely only on it's past... a distant past whose records have been kept by those who could be considered not the most sophisticated. No wonder their ideas and customs appear so backwards to those of us in the west.

What many of us see as representative of islamic culture (ie: suicide bombers and IED's) are infact representative only of fringe lunacy, assets financed & fortified by machiavellian wickedness. They are about as representative of muslim or islamic culture as members of the Westboro Baptist church are representatives of Christianity.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2009, 08:02:07 PM »
As much as people like to disparage Muslim culture... understand the Islam of today, ...is not the same as that of yesteryear. The world does owe an incredible debt of gratitude towards Islam. Without Islamic culture, ...we would not be who we are today. Unfortunately, like any great civilization or empire that has fallen, it's message and meaning gets lost, and distorted from the passage of time, and the deliberate eradication of it's culture by the victors of war. Islamic culture and the fall of it's empire, gave birth to Europe's renaissance. Today, modern Islam finds itself trying to reclaim it's former glory, but it must rely only on it's past... a distant past whose records have been kept by those who could be considered not the most sophisticated. No wonder their ideas and customs appear so backwards to those of us in the west.

What many of us see as representative of islamic culture (ie: suicide bombers and IED's) are infact representative only of fringe lunacy, assets financed & fortified by machiavellian wickedness. They are about as representative of muslim or islamic culture as members of the Westboro Baptist church are representatives of Christianity.

quoted for innacuracy

have you ever lived in an Islamic country?

How many innocnet people have the Westroboro Baptist Church murdered in the past year?

You are substituting logic in the quest of fairness, but only lying to yourself.
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« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2009, 08:09:01 PM »
quoted for innacuracy

have you ever lived in an Islamic country?

no

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How many innocnet people have the Westroboro Baptist Church murdered in the past year?

You are substituting logic in the quest of fairness, but only lying to yourself.

possibly   :-\

...but Islamic culture produced great societies and technological advances we still use today,
...and I refuse to believe their only contributions to civilization are suicide vests & IEDs.
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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2009, 08:19:23 PM »
no

possibly   :-\

...but Islamic culture produced great societies and technological advances we still use today,
...and I refuse to believe their only contributions to civilization are suicide vests & IEDs.

Actually, you're right. They invented the concept of throwing acid in women's faces for not wearing a burqa and beating women for showing their ankles. Forgot about those two.
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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2009, 08:44:02 PM »
Actually, you're right. They invented the concept of throwing acid in women's faces for not wearing a burqa and beating women for showing their ankles. Forgot about those two.

brat!  >:(

Are you sure you're refering to historic Islamic culture... or a perverse interpretation of it by an ignorant peasant still living in the patriarchal chauvanistic, sadistic, stone ages?
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« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2009, 09:02:03 PM »


...but Islamic culture produced great societies and technological advances we still use today,


Will you list some of the great societies and technological advances you're talking about


Also jaguar, are you muslim?

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« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2009, 10:34:04 PM »
Will you list some of the great societies and technological advances you're talking about

Also jaguar, are you muslim?

No, I'm not a muslim.

As for technological advancements... whoa... where do I start? The list is incredible....

Arabic numerals

Our modern numerical system for one. Our adaption of arabic numerals may seem like a trivial thing, but it's introduction facilitated calculations much faster & and much more efficiently than Roman numerals. Just imagine for a moment the difference as well as the ease and the efficiency of calculating Arabic numerals to the more cumbersome Roman numerals for advanced mathematics.

Astronomy

Islamic scholars charted the stars, as well as created instruments to measure the distances between stars relative to the earths rotation. Islam knew the earth rotated around the sun, long before Copernicus dared utter such "heresy"

Navigation

see Astronomy above

Medicine

Islamic doctors developed medical instruments for delicate surgeries, some of which are still in use today in paediatrics to neurosurgery. While they performed delicate neurosurgery with anesthesia, ...there European contemporaries were relying on leeches & exorcisms, and amputations without anesthesia.

Architecture

Some of the greatest architecture was built by Islam. The remarkable thing about many of these erections, is not so much in the monumental scope of them, ...but rather the absolute perfect symmetry they incorporated into their designs. A good example of that can be found in the Al Hambra <sp?> in Spain. Some could even say Islam was first to develop the concept of Feng Shui.  ;)  Only now are we beginning to recognize the importance & validity of symmetry, as more than an aesthetic, but something having an impact on the life force of those who dwell therein. Those who have had the pleasure of visiting Al hambra, are immediately struck by the overwhelming sense of peace & tranquility that overcomes them upon entering. It is due to the absolute perfect symmetry with which the castle was built... a concept not lost on later renaissance architects like Vitruvious or daVinci. 

After the conquest of Islam, much of it's knowledge was disseminated throughout the rest of Europe giving birth to the renaissance.

Street Lights

Modern Islamic cities (at the time) were clean, paved, had street lights, while europeans still lived in squalor in huts

Textiles

Islamic societies produced some of the finest linens available. Interestingly enough, ...and most would have a conniption fit if they knew, ...but most of those robes we see many Christian saints portrayed in, bear Islamic mantras & slogans pertaining to Islam. Catholics would freak if it were more widely known that on those portrait of the Madonna, the ribbons around the hood and sleeves of her cloak bear the saying "There is only one God, ...and Allah is his name."

Irrigation

Unlike previous great civilizations of Africa which had the Nile, as a desert people, Islam had no such benefit. The challenges of irrigation of fields to my knowledge was first solved by Islam. water turbines etc., etc.,

Distillation

The distillation of alcohol, and well as flower essences was first invented by Islam.

Pottery glazing

Modern glazed pottery was brought to us by Islam.

Explosives

Torpedos were first developed by Islam.

Kites

What we know as a children's toy, was once developed by Islamic culture as a weapon of war.

This is just random off the top of my head, ...but the list is vast, and absolutely amazing! it would blow your mind.
Islam reverred knowledge, and sought to acquire knowledge. While Islam was building universities & higher institutions of learning, churning out scholars, intellectuals, and inventors en masse, ...Christianity was preaching and encouraging ignorance as a means of maintaining control over it's people. Higher knowledge was discouraged and viewed as a potential threat to the Catholic church. as a result, there grew and remained a HUGE gap of knowledge between the two which only widened over the centuries.

For centuries, Islam was the political and intellectual power of Europe. With their defeat, came the inevitable attempts at erasure from history, and the plagiarism of their cultural, political, intellectual, & scientific contributions to society. Her influence can still be seen, felt and heard throughout many parts of Europe however, for those who know what they're looking at... from the cathedrals (former mosques) ...to the windmills of Holland, ...to the flamenco music of Spain. Islam and her influence is there in abundance.
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« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2009, 01:43:42 AM »
Use of planes full of civilians, with lots of fuel, to be flown into buildings full of civilians.

They invented that, too.
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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2009, 01:46:27 AM »
Maybe we should recreate the cultural values of the people who invented the wheel.

Bet they had a lot of progressive thinking going on.
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« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2009, 03:13:08 AM »
Use of planes full of civilians, with lots of fuel, to be flown into buildings full of civilians.

They invented that, too.

Actually that precedent was set by Japanese Kamikaze airmen (minus the civs in the plane)
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« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2009, 03:18:02 AM »
Actually that precedent was set by Japanese Kamikaze airmen (minus the civs in the plane)

Yeah, there's no difference. Good point.
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« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2009, 03:19:20 AM »
Also, Muslims were the first to use children to more effectively penetrate with their car bombs.

Let's not forget about that contribution.
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