French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit

[Hugo Chavez]

yes, red facial hair. no pics of it though

i hope someone shops my pic. that would be hillarious

lol, maybe you are my long lost twin   no, but I bet we have similar heritage origin wise.  I get way to pissed at stupid shit sometimes.  Last thing I need to get into is a search and destroy over my face pasted on some gay pic.  haha.

[pedro01]

I'm stationed in Kabul. Elections are day after tomorrow. They're throwing everything at us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090818/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan;_ylt=AlZjuOoTbmdtjhkRza3mPbqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTMwcW1oY3ZwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODE4L2FzX2FmZ2hhbmlzdGFuBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDMQRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA2JvbWJhdHRhY2traQ--

Good lad ! Hope they don't lob anything too close.

Do they let you wear your speedo's at the local swimming pool ?

[garebear]

Good lad ! Hope they don't lob anything too close.

Do they let you wear your speedo's at the local swimming pool ?

No, but I've seen some foreign troops wearing some pretty short shorts. Must be a European thing.

I've also seen quite a few Afghan men holding hands.

[boonasty]

be muslim, but the doctrine was "Above all else, seek knowledge" and so the people did, and it led to great discoveries. it came at a time when the Christian doctrin was "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge"

wasn't the do not eat from the tree of knowledge from genesis?  how old is islam?

I do not have disdain for Christianity... merely for the way it is practiced by many christians.

do you have disdain for the way islam is practiced by many muslims?

I say Islam brought those things because they came at a time when Islam ruled the world as we knew it.

what years are you talking about?

I have no company with Islamic ties. Stop being an ass.

why does the question make me an ass?  it's a simple yes or no.

[boonasty]

garebear thank you stay safe.  we appreciate what you are doing.

[Fury]

I say Islam brought those things because they came at a time when Islam ruled the world as we knew it.
Not enough records on the other pagan areas because they weren't as developed or methodical in record keeping.
The inventions & inspiration to bring these technologies came about as a result of practicing islamic principles within societies that were all islamic. It's not like there was a smorgasbord, in which case one could say inventions by someone who happened to be muslim, but the doctrine was "Above all else, seek knowledge" and so the people did, and it led to great discoveries. it came at a time when the Christian doctrin was "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge"

I know it because with all the islamophobia over the past 8 years, I sought to discover more about them. It blew my mind what I discovered. There are a few good documentaries on it, purely from a scholarly pov and a few ancient history documentary series that include various groups and their contributions to modern civilization including (Chinese, Africans, Arabs, Romans etc)

I do not have disdain for Christianity... merely for the way it is practiced by many christians.
Its a similar disdain that patriot Americans feel for those who legislate in a decidedly unAmerican way.
I have no problem recognizing greatness or accomplishment in others. If my greatest enemy accomplished a stupendous feat, ...it wouldn't mean i love them, ...but I'd be a fool for not recognizing the breadth & scope of the accomplishment. Facts are what they are. And I can't change the facts of ancient history... no matter how much someone doesn't like them.

Besides, ...it really doesn't matter what you WERE, ...it's what you BECOME.
Every civilization has it's heyday. Look at the Anglo Europeans... at one point they were the worlds 3rd world backward ignorant peasants. Now, the worlds power structure is comprised of Anglo Europeans. Possibly soon to be displaced by Asians & South Asians (Chinese & Indians)  Those that were first shall be last... and those that were last, shall come first etc. etc.

I have no company with Islamic ties. Stop being an ass.

I've never seen a post full of such lies and fallacies. STFU.

[George Whorewell]

Jag you are so mind numbingly stupid that responding to your recent posts is beneath me. Seek professional help. I know Canada will probably look at your mental disease as unnecessary care, so it may be wise to fly into the US for treatment.

[garebear]

garebear thank you stay safe.  we appreciate what you are doing.

Well, it's nice to be appreciated. Thanks for saying it.

[24KT]

wasn't the do not eat from the tree of knowledge from genesis?  

Yes it was

do you have disdain for the way islam is practiced by many muslims?

yes I do

why does the question make me an ass?  it's a simple yes or no.

It was an assumptive question that deliberately implies falsehoods. Thats why it makes you an ass.

[MuscleMcMannus]

STFU crackhead nobody gave you the right to reply on this thread.

Shut the fuck up you tubby piece of shit.  You're lucky you spend all your free time parading around in your hummer out in the desert or on getbig cause if you spent any time in public you'd get your fat ass kicked!  You're an annoying fuck you know that! 

[Eyeball Chambers]

no thanks.  Last thing I want is to have my face photoshoped on all kinds of silly shit like getbiggers love to do.  Curious, do you have red facial hair?  Stupid questions, I know, it was just odd, like looking at a younger photo of myself.  I'm blonde on top but the beard grows in red.

I have blonde hair and my facial hair is also almost red.  Can I join the club? 

[garebear]

I have blonde hair and my facial hair is also almost red.  Can I join the club? 

You're in.

[garebear]

Random pic attack.

[GigantorX]

I can understand the standards for safety & hygiene, and I can also understand their mistaking some of the burquinis as streetwear, in that they do look rather similar, but it is still discriminatory. It's a swimsuit, ...and therefore logically would only be worn in the pool. I don't see how harmful bacteria or viruses would attach themselves if only worn in the pool. I'd think there'd be a greater risk of viral and/or bacteriological contamination by traditional swimsuits. How many people wear those in lieu of underwear on a regular basis?

It's an issue of power & control, ...pure & simple.

They don't even allow baggy surfer shorts in the pool, only form fitting suits for hygiene purposes. Tons of people probably go in that pool so it makes fucking sense. It's the pools rules, follow them and swim or don't follow them and claim racism and discrimination. It's so funny reading your dumbass post. "It's still a swimsuit! so it's discriminatory not to let her swim!", that would be correct except for the fact that it isn't and the he suit doesn't conform to the pool rules. Are you going to stand up and defend some surfer douche-bag who got kicked out because of his long baggy surfer swim shorts?

If there is another public pool that doesn't give a shit about what kind of suits people where than maybe she should go to one of those.

[24KT]

I have blonde hair and my facial hair is also almost red.  Can I join the club? 

   Wow RPF, ...you finally started growing facial hair? ...I'm so happy for you. Have you named it yet?     

[24KT]

They don't even allow baggy surfer shorts in the pool, only form fitting suits for hygiene purposes. Tons of people probably go in that pool so it makes fucking sense. It's the pools rules, follow them and swim or don't follow them and claim racism and discrimination. It's so funny reading your dumbass post. "It's still a swimsuit! so it's discriminatory not to let her swim!", that would be correct except for the fact that it isn't and the he suit doesn't conform to the pool rules. Are you going to stand up and defend some surfer douche-bag who got kicked out because of his long baggy surfer swim shorts?

Heck no! Those baggy surfer shorts should be outlawed... especially when worn by men who refuse to keep their legs either cross or at the very least together. I can't tell you how many times I've been inadvertently & unintentionally flashed.  It's horrible having to look at someone elses parts if you don't want to.

If there is another public pool that doesn't give a shit about what kind of suits people where than maybe she should go to one of those.

How is this not an issue of power & control? If you don't think this is about power & control, do you believe it to be about discrimination and persecution?

[garebear]

Heck no! Those baggy surfer shorts should be outlawed... especially when worn by men who refuse to keep their legs either cross or at the very least together. I can't tell you how many times I've been inadvertently & unintentionally flashed.  It's horrible having to look at someone elses parts if you don't want to.

How is this not an issue of power & control? If you don't think this is about power & control, do you believe it to be about discrimination and persecution?

fom Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali

p. 33  ...in Somalia

The scissors went down betwenn my legs and the man cut off my inner labia and clitoris. I heard it, like a butcher snipping the fat off a piece of meat. A peircing pain shot up between my legs, indescribable, and I howled. Then came the sewing: the long, blunt needle clumsily pushed into my bleeding outer labia, my loud and anguished protests, Grandma's words of comfort and encouragement. "It's just this once in your life, Ayaan. Be brave. It's almost finished." When the sewing was finished, the man cut the thread off with his teeth.

p. 47 ... in Saudi Arabia

Some of the Saudi women in our neighboorhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

from CNN News, in Afghanistan http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/01/22/acid.attacks/index.html

"We saw two men up ahead staring at us. One was standing off and the other one was on their motorcycle. I wanted to go but there was a black object in his hand and he took it out," Atifa says.

The girls thought it was a water pistol.

"He grabbed my arm and asked, 'Will you be going to school anymore?' He then threw acid on my sister and threw acid on me," Shamsia says.

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I have shown you how women have been treated in three different Islamic nations. I think this is a fair representation of a broad spectrum.

How do you call yourself a woman and defend this? I don't understand it. These are not I solated incidents. Surely you can see that. Why should we give quarter to any group of people that treats women like this? Personally, I have too much respect for the female gender. I guess it's how we're different.

[GigantorX]

How is this not an issue of power & control? If you don't think this is about power & control, do you believe it to be about discrimination and persecution?

I'll bite. It's a public pool that has the power to set the rules and control its environment. If they have a rule against ANY sort of baggy swim wear being worn in the pool, than they are right to not allow the Muslim woman into the pool and they also have the right to not let anyone else into the pool who is wearing baggy clothing.

It just so happens that the person who was wearing baggy swim wear was Muslim. Tough shit. Although that apparently makes it much easier to cry wolf and stir up shit where there isn't any.

[pedro01]

How is this not an issue of power & control? If you don't think this is about power & control, do you believe it to be about discrimination and persecution?

Indeed but you seem to be confusing who's trying to assert control & seize power.

The mode of the European Muslim is to start a problem, then claim to be a victim, usually with a claim that their human rights are being abused. Even when they put bombs on London transport, it was because of Palestine. So they blow up innocent people but they are the victims because of something occuring elsewhere. They even claimed to be the victims of these attacks because people immediately blamed Muslims for them... how's that for arse-about face logic ?

They march the streets waving placards for beheading because of a cartoon in Denmark. See the irony - they are attacking our freedom of speech over a cartoon that was not even a direct attack on Allah when read in the context of the article it was attached to. They go to the streets, burn cars, lob bricks, call for beheadings & THEY are the VICTIMS ? Give me a fucking break.

Now, the Europeans are nothing better than a bunch of apologists. London is a breeding ground for Islamic terrorism as are other British Cities and the police, government et al turn a blind eye because heaven forbid they arrest an Imam for preaching hate & violence - that would be racist. In fact - outside of the Arab world, London is THE most important city for Islamists in the world.

Police in England don't use dogs when they raid a Muslims home & they try not to raid at prayer times - because they don't want to offend the Muslims, even if they are criminals. Even today, a Muslim terrorist who committed mass murder in the UK was returned to his home as a sign of compassion as we are such a compassionate country. Strange then that the Krays didn't get released when they were old & frail - but they weren't Muslims.

This Burkini incident was well planned and executed and now people like you are trying to claim she is persecuted. Pretty soon, all women will have to wear Burkini's so as not to offend the Muslims. I guess those that don't will probably be dragged to the new 'rape-rooms' they are installing for Muslim men to rape Kuffar women for showing a bit of neck.

The majority of Muslims think westerners are morally inferior. The majority of Muslims and their leaders are NOT speaking out against terrorism or the chipping away at western society with crass publicity seeking attempts like this.

The majority of Muslims ARE supporting the eradication of Western values. They are supporting Terrorism either passively or actively.

[George Whorewell]

Well said Pedro.

What I cant fathom is why left wingers, who are supposedly so in favor of freedom of speech, expression and the uniform application of supposedly universal humanistic ideals such as dignity and equality, go out of their way to defend a religion that is predicated on violence, the degradation of women and the supression of freedom.

If blacks were brainwashed into a religion that required them to walk around with nuces around their necks and that allowed whites to whip them in public, would you be fighting for the rights of those braindead blacks to be abused-- all while promoting the idea of religious freedom?

Suppose a public swimming pool didnt allow blacks to get into pools wearing nuces, or did not allow them to be whipped while hanging out by the diving board-- Is that the government exerting power over a religious minority?

My absurd comparison is perfectly applicable to this situation.

One of my all time favorite quotes= "When you are merciful to the wicked, you end up being wicked to the merciful."

[Fury]

Indeed but you seem to be confusing who's trying to assert control & seize power.

The mode of the European Muslim is to start a problem, then claim to be a victim, usually with a claim that their human rights are being abused. Even when they put bombs on London transport, it was because of Palestine. So they blow up innocent people but they are the victims because of something occuring elsewhere. They even claimed to be the victims of these attacks because people immediately blamed Muslims for them... how's that for arse-about face logic ?

They march the streets waving placards for beheading because of a cartoon in Denmark. See the irony - they are attacking our freedom of speech over a cartoon that was not even a direct attack on Allah when read in the context of the article it was attached to. They go to the streets, burn cars, lob bricks, call for beheadings & THEY are the VICTIMS ? Give me a fucking break.

Now, the Europeans are nothing better than a bunch of apologists. London is a breeding ground for Islamic terrorism as are other British Cities and the police, government et al turn a blind eye because heaven forbid they arrest an Imam for preaching hate & violence - that would be racist. In fact - outside of the Arab world, London is THE most important city for Islamists in the world.

Police in England don't use dogs when they raid a Muslims home & they try not to raid at prayer times - because they don't want to offend the Muslims, even if they are criminals. Even today, a Muslim terrorist who committed mass murder in the UK was returned to his home as a sign of compassion as we are such a compassionate country. Strange then that the Krays didn't get released when they were old & frail - but they weren't Muslims.

This Burkini incident was well planned and executed and now people like you are trying to claim she is persecuted. Pretty soon, all women will have to wear Burkini's so as not to offend the Muslims. I guess those that don't will probably be dragged to the new 'rape-rooms' they are installing for Muslim men to rape Kuffar women for showing a bit of neck.

The majority of Muslims think westerners are morally inferior. The majority of Muslims and their leaders are NOT speaking out against terrorism or the chipping away at western society with crass publicity seeking attempts like this.

The majority of Muslims ARE supporting the eradication of Western values. They are supporting Terrorism either passively or actively.

Excellent post. And for what it's worth, polling in Europe shows that over 50% of Muslims there feel that Western society needs to be eradicated and that Sharia Law should be implemented. These people are a plague.

[24KT]

<snipped so I don't vomit all over my keyboard having to re-read that>

You might want to edt your post with a big bold viewer discretion warning for graphic details. 

I have shown you how women have been treated in three different Islamic nations. I think this is a fair representation of a broad spectrum.

How do you call yourself a woman and defend this? I don't understand it. These are not I solated incidents. Surely you can see that. Why should we give quarter to any group of people that treats women like this? Personally, I have too much respect for the female gender. I guess it's how we're different.

I DO NOT defend that.

Acknowledging, or witnessing, or recognizing (whatever you want to call it) great achievement does not imply support for crimes or other abominations. I do not believe in circumcism... male or female. Because of this, ...am i now supposed to condemn Jews and spread anti-semitic vitriol? While I may not agree with circumcision (male genital mutilation on tiny, vulnerable, defenseless babies) it would in no way diminish great Jewish accomplishments either. The facts would still remain facts no matter how much anyone attempted to diminish or dismiss them. Einstein would still have been the one to bring us the theory of relativity, King Solomon would still have been the richest man, Moses would still have been the one who parted the Red sea and delivered the 10 commandments, ...despite how much I hate circumcism. Do you really think I would support the idea of a woman being nothing more than chattel to her husband?

It's kind of like the robber MB_22 posted about a while back. That guy from Italy who robbed a supposedly uncrackable vault in the diamond district in Europe. No one condones thievery, ...but at the same time, you can't help but deny the man accomplished a tremendous feat. He got past a security system thought impregnable. No matter how much you wish it was otherwise, it doesn't change the fact that he got into the vault and made off with the diamonds, ...and after having spent a few yrs behind bars, ...will be free to spend his share of the $80 million dollar take... or however much it was.

[24KT]

I'll bite. It's a public pool that has the power to set the rules and control its environment. If they have a rule against ANY sort of baggy swim wear being worn in the pool, than they are right to not allow the Muslim woman into the pool and they also have the right to not let anyone else into the pool who is wearing baggy clothing.

It just so happens that the person who was wearing baggy swim wear was Muslim. Tough shit. Although that apparently makes it much easier to cry wolf and stir up shit where there isn't any.

So you've finally figured it out have you? Well it's about damned time you did! {lol}

[24KT]

Indeed but you seem to be confusing who's trying to assert control & seize power.

First off Pedro, ...one does NOT assert control & seize power. One seizes control & asserts power.

The swimming pool has the control of it's own pool , as well as the power to make rules for it, and is asserting it.
The pool has the power & control, ...and the woman attempting to swim in the burquini wants it.
They are telling her she can't have it. It is an issue of power & control. How am I wrong or mistaking the situation?


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The majority of Muslims think westerners are morally inferior.

They're right. We Westerners ARE morally inferior. We know right from wrong, ...but we do the wrong thing just the same. The only good thing we can saw is that while we're morally inferior, ...at least we don't have a moral disconnect. Alot of those guys over in Afghanistan would never think of doing something immoral, ...but they have such a moral disconnect, they don't even have the first clue that much of what they do is immoral. I'd rather be morally inferior than have a moral disconnect like them... if that makes any sense to anyone.

The majority of Muslims and their leaders are NOT speaking out against terrorism or the chipping away at western society with crass publicity seeking attempts like this.

Crass publicity seeking attempts like this do NOT chip away at Western society. Ignorance, Arrogance & Hubris does. Last time I checked, most of that came from within.
 

The majority of Muslims ARE supporting the eradication of Western values. They are supporting Terrorism either passively or actively.

Not sure I agree with that comment. I don't see things in such stark contrast. For me, there are many shades of grey. It could be a Canadian thing. Canadian society is relatively unique I'm told, ...however, the "majority" of muslims I encounter here in Canada, aren't the crazy whackjobs you seem to be going on about, or the kind that Garebear and our troops have to fight against over in Afghanistan. They're more like Toxie, trying their best to enjoy their lives and the freedoms living in a Western culture affords them, ...and doing their darndest dealing with the parental pressure to have an arranged marriage. lol

[George Whorewell]

First off Pedro, ...one does NOT assert control & seize power. One seizes control & asserts power.

The swimming pool has the control of it's own pool , as well as the power to make rules for it, and is asserting it.
The pool has the power & control, ...and the woman attempting to swim in the burquini wants it.
They are telling her she can't have it. It is an issue of power & control. How am I wrong or mistaking the situation?


<hateful redundant diatribe snipped for the sake of my sanity>

They're right. We Westerners ARE morally inferior. We know right from wrong, ...but we do the wrong thing just the same. The only good thing we can saw is that while we're morally inferior, ...at least we don't have a moral disconnect. Alot of those guys over in Afghanistan would never think of doing something immoral, ...but they have such a moral disconnect, they don't even have the first clue that much of what they do is immoral. I'd rather be morally inferior than have a moral disconnect like them... if that makes any sense to anyone.
Crass publicity seeking attempts like this do NOT chip away at Western society. Ignorance, Arrogance & Hubris does. Last time I checked, most of that came from within.
 
Not sure I agree with that comment. I don't see things in such stark contrast. For me, there are many shades of grey. It could be a Canadian thing. Canadian society is relatively unique I'm told, ...however, the "majority" of muslims I encounter here in Canada, aren't the crazy whackjobs you seem to be going on about, or the kind that Garebear and our troops have to fight against over in Afghanistan. They're more like Toxie, trying their best to enjoy their lives and the freedoms living in a Western culture affords them, ...and doing their darndest dealing with the parental pressure to have an arranged marriage. lol

^ I nominate this as the dumbest posting I have ever read in the 5 years since I have been a getbig member. Do the aye's have it?