HCG USAGE

[tstmaniac]

how many of you guys take hcg throughout your whole cycle? i have never tried that and thinking about givin this method a try...i have always just used 10,000 ius at the end as a jump start..

[dexterJ]

i do never take hcg during cycle..only pct

[abc123]

how many of you guys take hcg throughout your whole cycle? i have never tried that and thinking about givin this method a try...i have always just used 10,000 ius at the end as a jump start..

I use 400iu M,W,F and it works well.  Most guys do 500iu E3D.  That doesn't work as well for me for some reason even though its very similar.  Once every six weeks, for one week, I throw in 75iu of HMG on off days from the HCG.  It seems to work well.

If you don't use HCG during cycle you will gradually kill your Leydig cells in your nuts.  I have my three kids, but still do my best to keep everything up a running properly.  Plus, I swear I feel better by doing it this way and spreading out my test shots into smaller shots throughout the week to keep my blood levels stable. 

My HRT doctor loves the fact that I do it this way. He says its optimal, but most of his clients aren't disciplined enough to take shots that often.

[tstmaniac]

i was thinking of trying 500iu on monday and the same dose on thursday throughout the cycle...abc, so you have tried hmg? and take it every six week?

[abc123]

i was thinking of trying 500iu on monday and the same dose on thursday throughout the cycle...abc, so you have tried hmg? and take it every six week?

Yes, that's what I'm currently doing.  Then, post cycle, I'll take it for up to a week max - 75 - 150iu per day - before hitting some HCG in a couple of large blasts (7500-10000 iu day 1; 5000-7500 iu day 3; then off).  After that I'll switch to Clomid for about 4 weeks.

[tstmaniac]

dont you feel that those monster doses of hcg actually shut u down more? that seems pretty high to me?

[abc123]

dont you feel that those monster doses of hcg actually shut u down more? that seems pretty high to me?

I'm sure it does to some degree, but that's part of the reason it's only taken for a couple of days before taking Clomid for the duration.  It's just something I've worked out with my doctor.  There are many different ways to go about it.

Keep in mind that, I've got old non-responsive balls that need the burst. lol  Remember that I'm on HRT.

[Luv2Hurt]

Yes, that's what I'm currently doing.  Then, post cycle, I'll take it for up to a week max - 75 - 150iu per day - before hitting some HCG in a couple of large blasts (7500-10000 iu day 1; 5000-7500 iu day 3; then off).  After that I'll switch to Clomid for about 4 weeks.

Am I reading that right you take 7,500-10,000 IUs HCG a day?  You mention HRT but you do cycles? Clomid for 4 weeks?  Since on HRT what are you trying to accomplish with this, I see you say you have all the kids you want now?  What kind of doses of AAS do you run through out the year?

[abc123]

Am I reading that right you take 7,500-10,000 IUs HCG a day?  You mention HRT but you do cycles? Clomid for 4 weeks?  Since on HRT what are you trying to accomplish with this, I see you say you have all the kids you want now?  What kind of doses of AAS do you run through out the year?

Just to be clear, I only do the large HCG blasts at the beginning of PCT.  Otherwise it's really small doses during cycle.

And I use the term cycle loosely.  I never really come off anymore - I'm either on cycle or on PCT drugs.  I run 20+ week cycles, then run PCT for about six to eight weeks and then go right back on.  My doctor estimates that my HPTA is about 80% recovered by the time I go back on.  All I'm doing is trying not to do further damage to my body/HPTA in case I do ever want more kids.  Plus, why would you want to completely shut yourself down for life?  I may only have low test levels, but I still have some natural test and the ability to procreate.  I don't want to lose that.

As for the HCG doses, you read that correctly.  My doctor does a lot of research and is gradually coming to the conclusion that it's better to run very short higher blasts at the very beginning of PCT (right after the last shot of Prop) along with Nolva, followed by clomid for an extended period.  It seems to work well for me.  I would not recommend it if you can get away with less.  Most guys probably can.

I blast and cruise.  The most I take is 750mg of Sustanon EW, 450 mg Deca EW, 100 mg Prop ED, 100mg Stanozolol ED, Humalog, T3, GH, etc.

[Arnold jr]

I use 400iu M,W,F and it works well.  Most guys do 500iu E3D.  That doesn't work as well for me for some reason even though its very similar.  Once every six weeks, for one week, I throw in 75iu of HMG on off days from the HCG.  It seems to work well.

If you don't use HCG during cycle you will gradually kill your Leydig cells in your nuts.  I have my three kids, but still do my best to keep everything up a running properly.  Plus, I swear I feel better by doing it this way and spreading out my test shots into smaller shots throughout the week to keep my blood levels stable. 

My HRT doctor loves the fact that I do it this way. He says its optimal, but most of his clients aren't disciplined enough to take shots that often.

You're definitely right about spreading out the test injections throughout the wk. I've been preaching this for years...even with long estered test it's still the best way to go.

As for your HCG usage, you sure are using a lot. You know there are guys out there that end up doing some pretty serious damage with long term HCG use...just be really careful.

[4thAD]

You're definitely right about spreading out the test injections throughout the wk. I've been preaching this for years...even with long estered test it's still the best way to go.

As for your HCG usage, you sure are using a lot. You know there are guys out there that end up doing some pretty serious damage with long term HCG use...just be really careful.

HCG damage(desensitization) is more from running higher doses than it is from long term usage. Studies have proven this, and that is why we recommend 500iu's e3d, or 2xew. This is the optimal dose for keeping the leydig alive, and not doing any damage. Dr. John Crisler recommends a method that I have found pretty interesting that I may give a try one of these days, but still doesn't go over 1000iu in a weeks period.

[Arnold jr]

HCG damage(desensitization) is more from running higher doses than it is from long term usage. Studies have proven this, and that is why we recommend 500iu's e3d, or 2xew. This is the optimal dose for keeping the leydig alive, and not doing any damage. Dr. John Crisler recommends a method that I have found pretty interesting that I may give a try one of these days, but still doesn't go over 1000iu in a weeks period.

Yes, but he is running some very high doses several times a year...maybe it's still under the line for safety but it is alot and I'd be careful.

[4thAD]

I completely agree with you! Constant use does not cause the damage though, overly high doses do.

[tstmaniac]

500 ius on monday and thursday for about six months shouldn't cause desensatization right?

[4thAD]

500 ius on monday and thursday for about six months shouldn't cause desensatization right?

according to the current studies, and my balls, I would say Nope!

[muscle19]

so if someone would cycle year round, could they use hcg year round to? or maybe just during high doses?

[abc123]

so if someone would cycle year round, could they use hcg year round to? or maybe just during high doses?

I use it year round, except when on the latter half of PCT, to prevent Leydig cell death.  If you use AAS year round and you are getting shut down by those AAS, you really have to.

Another way to use it during cycle is do two weeks on two weeks off.  Or, you can do a couple of blasts every three weeks.  I've discussed it with my doctor.  The bottom line is you don't want to take too much and desensitize yourself.  How you keep your balls working is your choice.

Personally, I think small regular doses is the best to mimic what the body would do.