2009 Olympia - Embarrassed waching the O?

[BayGBM]

How can anyone un-gay comp. bbing? How could such a thing be done?

It's not like its gay because of the audience (mostly men). How can oiled up men, who abuse drugs so they can pose and flex for a crowd of cheering men, while dancing and strutting, be ungayed? The pageant is ALREADY GAY. The things that Kai and others do only add to its gayness.  Anyway you slice, at the end of the day, comp. bbing is just a pageant of hyper muscular men, which seems to be enjoyed mostly by men. There's no getting around that.

Guess what? Arguing whose glutes are better and whose legs are sharper is gay.


I personally don't believe that everyone who follows comp. bbing is gay, or closeted. I just think that there sure seem to be many who are.....this forum has confirmed it to me, time and time again.  Again, I don't even give a shit who is gay and who isn't. I do think it is funny that so many here have gay tendencies, but are afraid to admit it to themselves. You know...cause it's important what some people on the net think of you......


Just don't insult my intelligence and tell me this is a sport, when it CLEARLY isn't. Isn't it funny that Sandow (forefather of comp. bbing) was gay? Joe Weeder loved to be surrounded by muscular men. Steve Blechman, (according to some members here) top people from this industry are gay and frequent known gay forums. Good for them, they actually get paid to live their fantasies........if I could get paid to hang out with playmates, youi bet your ass I'd do it too.

For better or worse, this (the comp. side of industry) was an excuse for some schmoes to get dumb meat heads together for their entertainment. Again, some saw it and went with it, others just deny it. Truth is hard to swallow, folks.

You know too much! 

[gordiano]

You know too much! 

To be honest with you, I just put 2 and 2 together. Outside of what guys like you share with us here, It's not like I'm doing research on this subject. Like I said....sadly, it all adds up. 

[bic_staedtler]

On and on it goes, arguing over "gay or not gay" endlessly. 

Who fucking cares?

Why is it that when I watch local shows, there isn't ANY "gayness" in the routines?  Nobody hikes up their trunks, and that's over the last five years.  Nobody!  Only with the pro shows do I see that.  I also don't see anybody doing the moves that Kai does; or for that matter, even a decent "Terminator" routine ala Vince Taylor.  IFBB top level shows though, do.  Yet EVERYBODY wears the "way too small" thongs, pro shows or amateur, and that can be interpreted by people who don't 'get' bodybuilding as 'gay'.

I attribute this to the level of competition.  ANYBODY can go out and buy a pair of tiny trunks with hopes of showing off their (usually non-existant) thigh/glutes/hamstrings, but not just anybody can do what Kai, King, Taylor or Darrem can do because that takes a lot of talent and practice.

The teeny-tiny trunks are pointless for all but the highest level of bodybuilder, IMO.  There simply isn't any reason for most amateurs (and even some pros, but not many) to NOT wear trunks cut to the same size as say, 70's era bodybuilders. 

The thongs don't look gay, they just look ridiculous!  Bottom line: if you care what people think about your bodybuilding hobby/lifestyle, including the inherent accusations of gayness from ignorant people, then by all means, stop paying attention and go follow pro baseball, football or basketball.

And I agree with Chick...the story is 100 percent horseshit.  Never happened.  Any woman I've ever watched pro bodybuilding shows with CHEER when the guys do what you refer to as "targeted towards the gays"...obviously this poster hasn't been to a show in person and heard that response.

[Parker]

How can anyone un-gay comp. bbing? How could such a thing be done?

 

Let more women be judges. Because in the natural order of things, women determine what is masculine or attractive in men, and men determine what is feminine or attractive in women. Granted, the muscularity of the men will be drastically reduced, probably to Flex Wheeler-isque proportions, and probably that is even too much.   

[Chick]

Let more women be judges. Because in the natural order of things, women determine what is masculine or attractive in men, and men determine what is feminine or attractive in women. Granted, the muscularity of the men will be drastically reduced, probably to Flex Wheeler-isque proportions, and probably that is even too much.   

We have plenty of women on the panel, their criteria is no different

[Howard]

thanks for the replies.

all i am saying is that BB does not have to be nearly as gay as it is. 

un-gaying the sport is one small step in attracting larger audiences.

Yeah , Richard Simmons and Perez Hilton don't NEED to act as gay as they do...but they do.
It is, what it is.

[Colossus3]

Totally agree with the original poster. Thats how i felt when my sister with her friends walked in on me watching Mr.Olympia.  They were laughing at some of the guys posing routines questining their sexuality.

There should be posing rules. Do's and DONTS!  You don't see crap like that in figure ice skating or gymnastics routines.

How can sport grow any bigger and be excepted by regular people when even so many die hard bodybuilding fans think that too many routines are just way too embarrassing.

Posing routines Do's

Arnold
Shawn ray
Kevin Levroni
Jay Cutler
Vince taylor

Posing DONTS

King Kamali
Chris Cormier
Kai Green
Ronnie Coleman

There should be no stripper routines, no ass touching/slapping, no upside down posing, no tucking of posing trunks in the ass.

It's unbelievable how IFBB allows that crap to go on.

[BayGBM]

Totally agree with the original poster. Thats how i felt when my sister with her friends walked in on me watching Mr.Olympia.  They were laughing at some of the guys posing routines questining their sexuality.

There should be posing rules. Do's and DONTS!  You don't see crap like that in figure ice skating or gymnastics routines.

There should be no stripper routines, no ass touching/slapping, no upside down posing, no tucking of posing trunks in the ass.

It is hard to argue with that.  Even as a gay fan, I have to agree that certain things simply should not be happening on stage!   As far as I know, the 'moon pose' is the only banned pose.  Are there others?

That anyone would challenge the veracity of the original poster just shows how out of touch they are.  The fact that you are a fan of the sport should not blind you to the fact that it looks very bizarre to the average person.  The average person/athlete does not think it is cool to whore yourself out to fans on the weekend.  Even if you take the whore aspect out of it the idea of "oiled up men, who abuse drugs so they can pose and flex for a crowd of cheering men, while dancing and strutting is, well, gay. 

[MCWAY]

Totally agree with the original poster. Thats how i felt when my sister with her friends walked in on me watching Mr.Olympia.  They were laughing at some of the guys posing routines questining their sexuality.

There should be posing rules. Do's and DONTS!  You don't see crap like that in figure ice skating or gymnastics routines.

How can sport grow any bigger and be excepted by regular people when even so many die hard bodybuilding fans think that too many routines are just way too embarrassing.

Posing routines Do's

Arnold
Shawn ray
Kevin Levroni
Jay Cutler
Vince taylor

Posing DONTS

King Kamali
Chris Cormier
Kai Green
Ronnie Coleman

There should be no stripper routines, no ass touching/slapping, no upside down posing, no tucking of posing trunks in the ass.

It's unbelievable how IFBB allows that crap to go on.

You forget a few things, though.

One, even during the says of Arnold, the average Joe though bodybuilding (and bodybuilders) were gay. This ain't anything new.

Two, as for posing rules, the IFBB has them (which is why the "moon" pose is banned).

Three, some of the more unique posters are trying to liven things up. There are only so many most-musculars and double biceps you can do in a routine. Otherwise, the routines will end up resembling Hulk Hogan's post-match antics.

Four, thanks to Rich Gaspari, shredded glutes became the hallmark of being "in shape". Hence, it got the judges' attention and got Gaspari marked up in the placings. That's the reason why competitors do that.

Five, it's rather ironic that bodybuilding is allegedly about big ripped muscles. Yet, the complaints here have been about the BIGGEST MUSCLE ON THE HUMAN BODY being the most ripped. Go figure.

Six, and finally, if you're looking for embarrasing routines, simply dial up Ken Jones. Chick can tell you about that and he has (or had) the hat to prove it.

 

[MCWAY]

It is hard to argue with that.  Even as a gay fan, I have to agree that certain things simply should not be happening on stage!  As far as I know, the 'moon pose' is the only banned pose.  Are there others?

That anyone would challenge the veracity of the original poster just shows how out of touch they are.  The fact that you are a fan of the sport should not blind you to the fact that it looks very bizarre to the average person.  The average person/athlete does not think it is cool to whore yourself out to fans on the weekend.  Even if you take the whore aspect out of it the idea of "oiled up men, who abuse drugs so they can pose and flex for a crowd of cheering men, while dancing and strutting" is, well, gay.  

Then explain, as one poster put it, why so many homos go to FEMALE beauty paegants. Perez Hilton was a judge at the Miss USA paegant. Does that mean he wanted to get freaky with Carrie Prejean? Are all the women who go to beauty paegants lesbians? I doubt it.

Plus, lest your forget, virtually all sports (or forms of sports entertainment) have a PREDOMINANTLY MALE AUDIENCE.

[johnnynoname]

to threadstarter

just live by yourself and you watch/masturbate to anything you want, as many times as you want, whenever you want

[240 is Back]

Totally agree with the original poster. Thats how i felt when my sister with her friends walked in on me watching Mr.Olympia.  They were laughing at some of the guys posing routines questining their sexuality.

You should have torn off your shirt and given them a light-out rear lat spread pose.

that would have settled the issue once and for all

[DK II]

You forget… bodybuilding attracts a lot of insecure little men who yearn for the approval and validation of others.

qft

[Colossus3]

Very few people in the old days thought bodybuilding was gay. It was more ignorant uneducated assumptions! This days its kind of hard to argue that its gay when you see athletes touching each others ass, atheletes shuving their trunks in their ass, kai green spreading his legs upside down (imagine if arnold and franco did that)

I have nothing against gay/lesbian people at all but when you competing there needs to be code of conduct. As I said you dont see that kind of crap in other main stream sports.

I feel proud of the sport when someone walks by and im watching pumping iron or shawn ray, lee priest, kevin levroni, vince taylor pose and at the same time I feel embarassed as hell when someone walks by and you have someone like king kamali, kai gree, chris cormier, ronnie coleman posing like strippers or shuving their trunks up their butt.  IFBB needs more code of conduct rules. When hard core fans embarssed to watch some of the guys possing routines now that says something!

[BayGBM]

Very few people in the old days thought bodybuilding was gay. It was more ignorant uneducated assumptions! This days its kind of hard to argue that its gay when you see athletes touching each others ass, atheletes shuving their trunks in their ass, kai green spreading his legs upside down (imagine if arnold and franco did that)

I have nothing against gay/lesbian people at all but when you competing there needs to be code of conduct. As I said you dont see that kind of crap in other main stream sports.

I feel proud of the sport when someone walks by and im watching pumping iron or shawn ray, lee priest, kevin levroni, vince taylor pose and at the same time I feel embarassed as hell when someone walks by and you have someone like king kamali, kai gree, chris cormier, ronnie coleman posing like strippers or shuving their trunks up their butt.  IFBB needs more code of conduct rules. When hard core fans embarssed to watch some of the guys possing routines now that says something!

Not true.  Taking off your clothes and showing off your muscled body to other men for their entertainment has always been considered gay.  It may not have been described that way nor talked about publicly because the subject of homosexuality itself was almost never spoken of in public, and people back then didn’t have forums like the internet, but whether we are talking about Bill Grant in the 70s, Jack Lalanne in the 50s,  or even back to Sandow at the turn of the century, flexing your muscles for other men has always been queer.  

It is telling that the original bodybuilding icon, Eugene Sandow, was what we would today call gay/bi.  For those of you who don’t know, Sandow’s wife grew increasingly frustrated by the attention garnered by her husband’s physique.  Everyone wanted to see him—and touch him!  And Sandow ate it up.  Eventually he dumped his wife and embarked on a posing tour with his boyfriend Martinus Sieveking. That was the birth of modern bodybuilding.

For what it's worth, I agree with you: there should be a code of conduct for pro bodybuilding--assuming one wanted the sport to be respectable.  But when the body building stage is populated by porn stars, escorts, and other men of disrepute respectability is about as tangible as smoke.

[kiwiol]

Not true.  Taking off your close and showing off your muscled body to other men for their entertainment has always been considered gay.  It may not have been described that way nor talked about publicly because the subject of homosexuality itself was almost never spoken of in public, and people back then didn’t have forums like the internet, but whether we are talking about Bill Grant in the 70s, Jack Lalanne in the 50s,  or even back to Sandow at the turn of the century, flexing your muscles for other men has always been queer. 

It is telling that the original bodybuilding icon, Eugene Sandow, was what we would today call gay/bi.  For those of you who don’t know, Sandow’s wife grew increasingly frustrated by the attention garnered by her husband’s physique.  Everyone wanted to see him—and touch him!  And Sandow ate it up.  Eventually he dumped his wife and embarked on a posing tour with his boyfriend Martinus Sieveking. That was the birth of modern bodybuilding.

For what it's worth, I agree with you: there should be a code of conduct for pro bodybuilding--assuming one wanted the sport to be respectable.  But when the body building stage is populated by porn stars, escorts, and other men of disrepute respectability is about as tangible as smoke.

You always look at the worst and try to make it come off as the rule of thumb. The top 2 guys in the sport have never done any Gay-4-something and are smart, respectable guys.

No one looks up to bodybuilders as role models for life, although they could, from the finest of them like Arnold. It's kinda like a freak show featuring mutants, lol.

[Earl1972]

You always look at the worst and try to make it come off as the rule of thumb.

let him think that we're all gay, it makes him feel better about himself



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[lvtolft]

For me, it was always about looking at something that I would like to attain.  A physique I would like to have.  Some physiques I like and use for inspiration and some I don't.  It is more motivation for my next workout than anything else.  I honestly would be oblivious to any of the homosexual stuff if it wasn't pointed out to me just because that doesn't interest me.
For a gay man it might be obvious, but for others it is not.

[Colossus3]

BAYGBM ---Like others said, you find the worst and act as if was the norm. I'm sure there was some gay stuff going on in the old days but there was no such thing during contests where I can take my girlfriend and friend who are not into bodybuilding and not be embarrassed. 

You should be ashamed of yourself when you diffend posing of athletes such as king kamali, kai green to name a few. Just because you get off sexually on that kind of posing does not mean there should be no rules against bodybuilders shaking their ass in your face with thongs up their butts dancing like strippers.

ya it would be hot if girls in other sports competed in thongs or danced like strippers but it does not mean its right for the sport and i would never push such a thing no matter how erotic i find that to be, if you like something like that then go to a strip club or get a escort there is time and place for everything.

[Colossus3]

Even if a bodybuilder came along with great charisma like Arnold's do you really think they are going to show him on national news when he is doing head stands spreading his legs and clearly dancing like stripper for the select gays in the crowd because he thinks its going to earn him extra money/points.

[ManBearPig...]

my wife's working late.  which one of you studs wants to come over and ram me in the ass?

[BayGBM]

BAYGBM ---Like others said, you find the worst and act as if was the norm. I'm sure there was some gay stuff going on in the old days but there was no such thing during contests where I can take my girlfriend and friend who are not into bodybuilding and not be embarrassed.  

You should be ashamed of yourself when you diffend posing of athletes such as king kamali, kai green to name a few. Just because you get off sexually on that kind of posing does not mean there should be no rules against bodybuilders shaking their ass in your face with thongs up their butts dancing like strippers.

ya it would be hot if girls in other sports competed in thongs or danced like strippers but it does not mean its right for the sport and i would never push such a thing no matter how erotic i find that to be, if you like something like that then go to a strip club or get a escort there is time and place for everything.

You need a lesson in reading comprehension.  I have never defended the posing of King Kamali, Kai Green or anyone else (for one thing, I didn't watch the O and have no idea what happened on stage).  In my most recent post above I specifically said, “there should be a code of conduct for pro bodybuilding.”  Touching your friend’s bum is fine in private, but I do not believe it belongs on a bodybuilding stage.  Some time ago (to the surprise of many here) I criticized the proliferation of tiny posing trunks and wondered aloud why that trend developed and is tolerated . . .

As for finding the worst and acting as if it was the norm, it is not as if one has to look far and wide to find a seedy underbelly to this sport.  A simple internet search, done by anyone, can turn up some rather unflattering facts about bodybuilding competitors.  If trying to kill the messenger makes you feel better then have at it, but the fact is that your muscle heroes are the ones engaging in behavior--on and off stage--that caused the OP to feel embarrassed about watching the O.  Imagine what his wife would say if she knew about all the other off-stage antics that swirl around this sport.

I see that you are new around here.  I bid you welcome, but you clearly have a lot to learn.  

If you cannot handle the truth, maybe you should stick to the glossy BB magazines.  They show you nice pictures and the sanitized world of pro BB without ever mentioning what really goes on behind the scenes.  

[Earl1972]

what sport does things the "right way" behind the scenes?

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[kiwiol]

You need a lesson in reading comprehension.  I have never defended the posing of King Kamali, Kai Green or anyone else (for one thing, I didn't watch the O and have no idea what happened on stage).  In my most recent post above I specifically said, “there should be a code of conduct for pro bodybuilding.”  Touching your friend’s bum is fine in private, but I do not believe it belongs on a bodybuilding stage.  Some time I ago (to the surprise of many here) I criticized the proliferation of tiny posing trunks and wondered aloud why that trend developed and is tolerated . . .

As for finding the worst and acting as if it was the norm, it is not as if one has to look far and wide to find a seedy underbelly to this sport.  A simple internet search, done by anyone, can turn up some rather unflattering facts about bodybuilding competitors.  If trying to kill the messenger makes you feel better then have at it, but the fact is that your muscle heroes are the ones engaging in behavior--on and off stage--that caused the OP to feel embarrassed about watching the O.  Imagine what his wife would say if she knew about all the other off-stage antics that swirl around this sport.

I see that you are new around here.  I bid you welcome, but you clearly have a lot to learn. 

If you cannot handle the truth, maybe you should stick to the glossy BB magazines.  They show you nice pictures and the sanitized world of pro BB without ever mentioning what really goes on behind the scenes. 

We know, we know there is a huge gay undercurrent in bodybuilding involving a lot of names in the industry. It's as groundbreaking as the fact that JFK got assassinated. And heaps of people have tried to get through to you this simple concept that you refuse to understand -

There are lots of gay people in bodybuilding, but not everyone is gay nor is the nature of competitive pro bodybuilding any gayer than a fashion show is sexual in nature. You could have a lot of lesbians working in the fashion industry in all positions but that doesn't mean that every chick that checks out a fashion show to look at the clothes or even the models is gay.

[bailey]

Bay : Shut The F-Up you F-ing Homo !! So sick of you Gaying up everything.
Sorry to dissapoint you but not everyone into bodybuilding is some closet homo case like you !! Deal with it ! ( F-ing, homo )