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Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« on: November 17, 2009, 07:08:39 AM »
Pelosi switches to jobs
By Mike Soraghan - 11/16/09 08:41 PM ET
www.thehill.com
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House Democratic leaders, worried they’ve appeared unresponsive to rising unemployment because they were absorbed by healthcare, are aiming for a legislation solution by Christmas.

That focus follows a similar shift in the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told colleagues he also plans to bring up a jobs measure, The Hill reported first last week.

The House change began Monday night when leaders scheduled AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Robert Kuttner, co-editor of The American Prospect, to address the House Democratic Caucus.

And it could end with an economic package on the floor sometime in December, Democratic sources said.

But some leadership aides cautioned that leaders are still debating whether to do one large package or a series of smaller bills.

And they say the Obama administration has yet to get on board.

One way or another, aides say, House Democrats’ message from now to Christmas will be about jobs.

“We continue to look for opportunities to build on the recovery package and other actions Congress has taken to bolster the economy,” said Nadeam Elshami, spokesman for Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

Leaders want members to have something to take home with them to show that they’re working on the economy. But they have to balance that against growing discomfort among voters about skyrocketing government spending.

The main idea for job creation is finding some sort of compromise on a highway-construction bill that Democrats have been haggling over for months. House Democrats have fought resistance in the Senate and at the White House for a massive, long-term expansion of the highway authorization bill.

They haven’t been able to agree on how to raise the money for a $500 billion bill. One idea would be to do a shorter-term bill without a revenue stream, a Democratic aide said, adding to the deficit.

Lawmakers are also discussing more small-business tax breaks intended to create new jobs. But other pieces being considered — extending unemployment benefits again, paying the health benefits of unemployed workers, providing aid to state Medicaid programs and extending popular tax breaks — might help the economy, but are less likely to chip away at the unemployment rate.

And aides say the debate between centrist and liberal Democrats about how to pay for the proposals is already heating up.

What everyone agrees on, though, is that it won’t be called “stimulus.”

Democrats aggressively tried to change the name of their $787 billion spending and tax cut package from stimulus to “recovery” in the middle of the debate earlier this year. No House Republicans voted for the stimulus, and the GOP has said the rising unemployment rate shows that the legislation isn’t working.

Pelosi had rejected the idea of legislation dubbed “stimulus” earlier this fall. But then she took time out from the healthcare debate in late October to meet with a band of economists for ideas on ways to spur the economy. Obama signed into law last week many of the ideas discussed during that forum: the homebuyer tax credit, unemployment benefits and a tax “carryback” for businesses.

Since that meeting, House leaders and many rank-and-file members were consumed with passage of the healthcare bill. Now that the healthcare debate has moved to the Senate, the House has much less to do and can return to economic issues.

The Senate may not be far behind.

Last week Reid told colleagues they will take up a new job-creation bill in the wake of the 10.2 percent unemployment rate.

Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.) told The Hill that Reid didn’t specify what would be in the bill, but said that it was going to be “one of the priorities” for the Senate.

And the AFL-CIO has been pressing for aid for state and local governments and more spending on roads and public works.

Many of those were taken out of the stimulus bill earlier this year in order to win Senate passage.

Unemployment is at a 25-year high and is expected to remain in double digits into next year. Adding to that, many Democrats were unnerved by losing gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia, two states President Barack Obama carried in 2008.

Along with difficult votes on climate change and healthcare legislation, that has many centrists worried about 2010’s midterm elections.

Walter Alarkon and Jared Allen contributed to this article.
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I think Obama/Reid/Pelosi's record is panning out just like many of us said on job creation.





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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 07:19:13 AM »
And the AFL-CIO has been pressing for aid for state and local governments and more spending on roads and public works.

Many of those were taken out of the stimulus bill earlier this year in order to win Senate passage.


Classic Keynesian politic stipulate that you try to invest heavily in infrastructure when construction is cheap - in recession.

So it makes absolutely no sense to cut out spending on road and public buildings.

If anything, Obama-Pelosi-Reid had a golden opportunity to refurnish America, repair roads, schools, public buildings, railroads, communication systems, hospitals, et al.

Bottom line is - when there is a recession you can get a much lower price on construction than if you try to get things built in a boom. Then you also run the risk of overheating the economy.

But they instead seems to have gone for subsidizing call centers, failing businesses, and what not.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 07:21:39 AM »
Hedge - I said it when they passed the first one, it was a disaster.  240, Straw, Lurker, Benny, mons, Blacken all said I was wrong.  And guess what?  They were wrong!

I knew this plan was going to be a disaster and not one of the people who supported that mess will own up to it.   

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2009, 07:31:00 AM »
Hedge - I said it when they passed the first one, it was a disaster.  240, Straw, Lurker, Benny, mons, Blacken all said I was wrong.  And guess what?  They were wrong!

I knew this plan was going to be a disaster and not one of the people who supported that mess will own up to it.   

This has been done before by FDR, the country was in a depression that became a great depression. FDR gets all this credit for saving the country when in reality his policies lengthened and worsened the depression. WWII sparked the industrial might of America, not shovel ready projects that are temporary
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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 07:32:11 AM »
about damn time

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2009, 07:36:13 AM »
about damn time

Dude these so called shovel ready projects are a fucking joke, they were doing some work around my neighborhood fixing the storm drains and the street. There was this giant sign letting everyone know this was being done because of the stimulus. 3 weeks and they are done, and I don't see any other work being done around my town
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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 07:41:48 AM »
This has been done before by FDR, the country was in a depression that became a great depression. FDR gets all this credit for saving the country when in reality his policies lengthened and worsened the depression. WWII sparked the industrial might of America, not shovel ready projects that are temporary


Look at the most of the major construction projects in the USA. When were they started?

That's right.

During the New Deal.

Eg, Bay Bridge, tons of highways, football stadiums, et al.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 07:44:52 AM »

Look at the most of the major construction projects in the USA. When were they started?

That's right.

During the New Deal.

Eg, Bay Bridge, tons of highways, football stadiums, et al.

Hedge - I live in Yonkers and we have a Tappan Zee Bridge that connects Westchester to NJ and Rockland.  Hindreds of thuosands of people use it every day.

They have been talking about rebuildfing it for years.  Where did the money go instead?  To study whether condom use is good or not and crap like that. 

Fixing the Tap Bridge would have been a good use of money since commerce would be improved via less commute times, easier flow of traffic and goods, etc.  However, the stim bill was never about any of that. 

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 07:47:13 AM »

Look at the most of the major construction projects in the USA. When were they started?

That's right.

During the New Deal.

Eg, Bay Bridge, tons of highways, football stadiums, et al.

And? You should take a look at what Japan calls the lost decade. Same situation, government spending/printing money and building alot.

WWII is what revived the American economy, not the new deal.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2009, 07:53:59 AM »
And? You should take a look at what Japan calls the lost decade. Same situation, government spending/printing money and building alot.

WWII is what revived the American economy, not the new deal.

We'll have to disagree then.

I think the WWII was a part of it.

But IMO the New Deal was the main factor.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 08:40:47 AM »
Great another bailout for unions.More of our dollars flushed into the union toilet.What buisiness did Pelosi,Reid and Obama run before going into government?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 08:44:48 AM »
Look, 240 will probably chearlead the next stim bill as he did the last one.  So will a lot of other Obots who refuse to realize the error of their ways before it is too late.   

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 08:50:48 AM »
Look, 240 will probably chearlead the next stim bill as he did the last one.  So will a lot of other Obots who refuse to realize the error of their ways before it is too late.   

I believe without the first one, the SOBs would have crashed the banks and the dollar.  I know it's cool to play cowboy and talk about how you welcome the day so you can shoot beggars, etc.  But I'd rather not face that kinda shit.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2009, 08:54:29 AM »
I believe without the first one, the SOBs would have crashed the banks and the dollar.  I know it's cool to play cowboy and talk about how you welcome the day so you can shoot beggars, etc.  But I'd rather not face that kinda shit.

240 - who was right on the stim bill - you or me? 

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Re: Nancy Pelosi to shift focus to jobs and employment.
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 08:58:25 AM »
240 - who was right on the stim bill - you or me? 

I think we both were. 

I said without it, the banks would fail and so would the dollar.  Congress agreed and passed it.

You said it would lead to greater unemployment, and it did.