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Gore is such a liar
« on: December 15, 2009, 09:15:42 AM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6956783.ece

Inconvenient truth for Al Gore as his North Pole sums don't add up

The former US Vice-President, who became an unlikely figurehead for the green movement after narrating the Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, became entangled in a new climate change “spin” row.

Mr Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

In his speech, Mr Gore told the conference: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”

However, the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast.

“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.

The embarrassing error cast another shadow over the conference after the controversy over the hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit, which appeared to suggest that scientists had manipulated data to strengthen their argument that human activities were causing global warming.

Perhaps Mr Gore had felt the need to gild the lily to buttress resolve. But his speech was roundly criticised by members of the climate science community. “This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics,” Professor Jim Overland, a leading oceanographer at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.

“You really don’t need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic.”

Others said that, even if quoted correctly, Dr Maslowski’s six-year projection for near-ice-free conditions is at the extreme end of the scale. Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice.

“Maslowski’s work is very well respected, but he’s a bit out on a limb,” said Professor Peter Wadhams, a specialist in ocean physics at the University of Cambridge.

Dr Maslowki, who works at the US Naval Postgraduate School in California, said that his latest results give a six-year projection for the melting of 80 per cent of the ice, but he said he expects some ice to remain beyond 2020.

He added: “I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this,” he said. “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore’s office.”

Richard Lindzen, a climate scientist at the Massachusets Institute of Technology who does not believe that global warming is largely caused by man, said: “He’s just extrapolated from 2007, when there was a big retreat, and got zero.”


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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 09:18:31 AM »
Al Gore does nothing positive for climate change and this is another mistake by him but probably a calculated one.  The facts and data are scary enough without trying to lie to the people. 
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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 09:28:17 AM »
Yeah,like the "facts" about the ice caps melting -a lie.The temps rising-a lie.Polar bears going extinct-a lie.Pretty much everything about it  is a lie.

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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 09:28:41 AM »
Al Gore does nothing positive for climate change and this is another mistake by him but probably a calculated one.  The facts and data are scary enough without trying to lie to the people. 

The facts and the data are very scary - as to the amount of jobs that will be lost and taxes that have to be raised.  

Did you see what happened in spain when they tried this green garbage?

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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 09:59:35 AM »
Al Gore does nothing positive for climate change and this is another mistake by him but probably a calculated one.  The facts and data are scary enough without trying to lie to the people.  

You like to throw the word "fact" around alot when in all reality man made global warming is nothing more than a theory. A theory based upon biased and outright false date. It has become all to apparent that you are one of those people that just needs a cause to repent for your guilt of living to well. Here I have a new cause for you

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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:02:35 AM »
Liberal White Guilt is becoming a serious danger to this country. 

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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:06:32 AM »
Oh great here come the 'scientists'  ::) Answer me this guys.  How many years have you all studied climate change? and where exactly can i read a paper you have produced on this?

You must all be smarter than a majority of climate scientists who have spent their lives studying this, so please provide the evidence you have that disproves all this so called nonsense.  

I say this because you post nothing scientific to refute this.  Other than some leaked e-mails (which prove or disprove nothing) where is YOUR scientific based evidence?
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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:08:02 AM »
Oh great here come the 'scientists'  ::) Answer me this guys.  How many years have you all studied climate change? and where exactly can i read a paper you have produced on this?

You must all be smarter than a majority of climate scientists who have spent their lives studying this, so please provide the evidence you have that disproves all this so called nonsense.  

I say this because you post nothing scientific to refute this.  Other than some leaked e-mails (which prove or disprove nothing) where is YOUR scientific based evidence?


Obama spent his life studying the constitution and he stil does not have a clue. 

Whats your damn point? 

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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:16:26 AM »
Oh great here come the 'scientists'  ::) Answer me this guys.  How many years have you all studied climate change? and where exactly can i read a paper you have produced on this?

You must all be smarter than a majority of climate scientists who have spent their lives studying this, so please provide the evidence you have that disproves all this so called nonsense.  

I say this because you post nothing scientific to refute this.  Other than some leaked e-mails (which prove or disprove nothing) where is YOUR scientific based evidence?


It doesn't take a scientist to do a little research and look back through recorded history of weather patterns and find out that all the bullshit they are claiming is abnormal is not. The only fact here is these "scientist" don't know, so they have to blame it on something.
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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:32:46 AM »
Oh great here come the 'scientists'  ::) Answer me this guys.  How many years have you all studied climate change? and where exactly can i read a paper you have produced on this?

You must all be smarter than a majority of climate scientists who have spent their lives studying this, so please provide the evidence you have that disproves all this so called nonsense.  

I say this because you post nothing scientific to refute this.  Other than some leaked e-mails (which prove or disprove nothing) where is YOUR scientific based evidence?


The science is based on doctored temperatures.So the entire theory is based on lies.Al Gore has been quoting one of these scientists and the guys said yesterday that Gore doesnt understand his research.So,please,these scientists are little more then political hacks with an angenda.

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Re: Gore is such a liar
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 07:39:54 PM »
Just so there is no misunderstanding of what drives Al Gore, he has invested alot of venture capital into green technology. The problem is there is no guarantee on a return, so if he can't get the world to go along he will be financially wiped the fuck out. GE (owns NBC), Siemans, and many other companies are all heavily vested in Green tech, and if shit goes south, they get their asses financially kicked as well.

If this bill passes the US is done, we go bankrupt, but Al Gore and the others mentioned do pretty well.
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