Why did Denns Wolf place 16th at the olympia?

[Vince B]

Your inability to say anything of substance, or back up any of the ignorant posts you make is laughable...I addressed your items one by one, lets see if you can dig yourself out with anything other than your regular drivel of "stooge, patsy,puppet, flotsam, etc...

You don't seem to be laughing here, Bob. Guess it is draining having to defend the IFBB.

The substance of my posts is that you are a sham as the athletes rep. The flotsam will eventually figure this out. Many have already done so.

[Chick]

Hmmm...that's an odd statement.

Are you saying that Dexter compares favorably to Branch but still took 3rd?

Or are you agreeing with me that Branch would still have been 2nd and Dexter would've leapfrogged him and won?

And of course, it would have absolutely NOTHING to do with Branch being with MD...and "EVERYTHING to do with how [Branch and Dexter] match up against each other..."

Hmmm....one more time so we can all understand. Without Jay in the contest, the placings would somehow shift around?? I know I didn't attend police academy, so can you spell this out for me?

My apologies for missing your explanation on your radio show. You have a great voice but Dan reminds me of my annoying cousin with the deviated septum.

Bodybuilding, as you know, is all about comparison...against other competitors. sometimes, it's about comparison against your prior self (unfairly, but a part of human nature as judges)

It's my opinion that without Jay in the line-up...that Dexter is given the nod as a reigning Mr. Olympia against Branch...(for the record, I though Dexter SHOULD have been 2nd anyway)

That said, the reasoning is simple...Branch matches up very well against Jay, as they have similiar builds in muscularity, density, build, etc...so with Jay in the winning seat (as he was when he walked out)...it's very natural to have Branch contend against him (especially given the fact that Branch was 100%) as were comparing "apples to apples"....

Dex was also in great shape, but obviously has a 180 degree different look than Jay or Branch...which makes for a "apples/ oranges" comparison...if the judges were looking at Jay as the winner, then I see where they picked Branch as the runner -up as he exhibited the same qualities.

Lets pretend Jay isnt in the show....now you have an incumbant Mr. Olympia against a guy who has never beaten him, and two different physiques competing against each other....now the judges have to make a decision , and my belief, is that they would have gone with Dexter...

It's the same senario that led to the demise of Nasser IMO, as he was much better compared when Dorian was standing next to him, with similiar builds...when Dorian retired, all of a sudden, he was the odd man out standing next to Flex, Kevin, Shawn, Chris...

[Chick]

You don't seem to be laughing here, Bob. Guess it is draining having to defend the IFBB.

The substance of my posts is that you are a sham as the athletes rep. The flotsam will eventually figure this out. Many have already done so.

all you've accomplished is exposing yourself...not the first time, I'm sure

The only thing I'm laughing at, Basile...is your willingness to make a complete ass of yourself on a daily basis...

[Topskin69]

Chick can you name three things that the IFBB need to improve on?

I would surely hope so.....

If so what are they?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You don't seem to be laughing here, Bob. Guess it is draining having to defend the IFBB.

The substance of my posts is that you are a sham as the athletes rep. The flotsam will eventually figure this out. Many have already done so.

 

Your post don't matter because you are talking about of your ass.  Its amazing that you and other come up with these silly conspiracy theories about the IFBB.

As far as your 1970 Mr Canada.  The only person its relevant to is you.  Everyone has heard your winded story about your coveted "precious" and no one cares about it anymore if they ever did.


The IFBB isn't the X-Files of bodybuilding.  Its no different than believing that the US Government went and crashed planes into the Twin Towers

[Vince B]

Bob, no doubt I keep you up late at night so you can post witty retorts to what I say about you. Now, that is funny!  

[Chick]

Chick can you name three things that the IFBB need to improve on?

I would surely hope so.....

If so what are they?

I believe I asked YOU a question....

[Topskin69]

Also Chick...while you are at it...in an unrelated question...do you think you would have stood a chance with a prime Zane?

[Vince B]

Vince G CSN MFT and Bob Chick make a good tag team. Getbig stooges against the flotsam!

[Topskin69]

I believe I asked YOU a question....

OK...how about a return to diuretic testing...judging standards that don't reward site injections, synthol, other oddities, or bloated/distended stomachs?

A return to actual posing trunks, instead of the psuedo-thongs that we see today...

Marking down competitors that have bad skin, (which as I recall...skin tone is actually supposed to be judged)....or marking people down that have obvious signs of chemical abuse...

Thats just for starters... I'm sure I could come up with more...now answer my question...

[Chick]

Also Chick...while you are at it...in an unrelated question...do you think you would have stood a chance with a prime Zane?

An unfair comparison..and I've always had an issue with comparing era's...too many variables.

Zane was the best in the world for 3 years at one time...cant take anything away from the guy

[Chick]

OK...how about a return to diuretic testing...judging standards that don't reward site injections, synthol, other oddities, or bloated/distended stomachs?

A return to actual posing trunks, instead of the psuedo-thongs that we see today...

Marking down competitors that have bad skin, (which as I recall...skin tone is actually supposed to be judged)....or marking people down that have obvious signs of chemical abuse...

Thats just for starters... I'm sure I could come up with more...now answer my question...

The question was: What do you believe they (the competitors) should be complaining about...

THESE are items you believe the guys SHOULD be complaining about???

[Topskin69]

The question was: What do you believe they (the competitors) should be complaining about...

THESE are items you believe the guys SHOULD be complaining about???

YEs...and this is just for starters...

But wait... none of those are valid I suppose.... 

Diuretics, stomach distention, etc is great!

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Vince G CSN MFT and Bob Chick make a good tag team. Getbig stooges against the flotsam!

You're dodging and evading Chick's questions with your usual dribble.  

[Special Ed]

Bodybuilding, as you know, is all about comparison...against other competitors. sometimes, it's about comparison against your prior self (unfairly, but a part of human nature as judges)

It's my opinion that without Jay in the line-up...that Dexter is given the nod as a reigning Mr. Olympia against Branch...(for the record, I though Dexter SHOULD have been 2nd anyway)

That said, the reasoning is simple...Branch matches up very well against Jay, as they have similiar builds in muscularity, density, build, etc...so with Jay in the winning seat (as he was when he walked out)...it's very natural to have Branch contend against him (especially given the fact that Branch was 100%) as were comparing "apples to apples"....

Dex was also in great shape, but obviously has a 180 degree different look than Jay or Branch...which makes for a "apples/ oranges" comparison...if the judges were looking at Jay as the winner, then I see where they picked Branch as the runner -up as he exhibited the same qualities.

Lets pretend Jay isnt in the show....now you have an incumbant Mr. Olympia against a guy who has never beaten him, and two different physiques competing against each other....now the judges have to make a decision , and my belief, is that they would have gone with Dexter...

It's the same senario that led to the demise of Nasser IMO, as he was much better compared when Dorian was standing next to him, with similiar builds...when Dorian retired, all of a sudden, he was the odd man out standing next to Flex, Kevin, Shawn, Chris...

Thanks for the straight answer without any digs at my profession, opinion, top ten lists, predictions, or looks. 

[Chick]

YEs...and this is just for starters...

But wait... none of those are valid I suppose.... 

Diuretics, stomach distention, etc is great!

I never said they werent valid, and all of them have been addressed (except for the trunks thing)...

Obviously, the guys WITHOUT distention, complain about those who DO...guys without strange lumps, etc, complain about those who do, etc...those are all judging criteria, and have been brought up time and again...

It's a tougher point than just drawing a line in the sand, as you have senarios where one competitor is CLEARLY better than another, but might not have the best waist...what do you do?  I've seen the same in regards to the FBB...especially at the local/ regional level...one girl wins here class, and is smooth/ fat, not much muscle....another wins her class and is a beast...what do you do? award the one who is fat and looks like just just started in the gym 2 weeks ago? or give it to the manly chick who is hard looking?

[Chick]

Thanks for the straight answer without any digs at my profession, opinion, top ten lists, predictions, or looks. 

No problem, I return in -kind...

Curious to hear your response...

[Vince B]

Since when does Branch Warren look better than Dennis Wolf? The judges are incompetent. They use definition as the default criterion to separate the men. Sure Branch had more cuts in the back but so what? Dennis still has a better physique.

Chick knows that Dexter was better than Branch. Why all this bullshit about placings? The IFBB is corrupt or incompetent or both.

Arguing with guys like Chick and Goodrum is a waste of time.

[Mr Nobody]

Since when does Branch Warren look better than Dennis Wolf? The judges are incompetent. They use definition as the default criterion to separate the men. Sure Branch had more cuts in the back but so what? Dennis still has a better physique.

Chick knows that Dexter was better than Branch. Why all this bullshit about placings? The IFBB is corrupt or incompetent or both.

Arguing with guys like Chick and Goodrum is a waste of time.

X2 Basile you have a good point here.

[Topskin69]

I never said they werent valid, and all of them have been addressed (except for the trunks thing)...

Obviously, the guys WITHOUT distention, complain about those who DO...guys without strange lumps, etc, complain about those who do, etc...those are all judging criteria, and have been brought up time and again...

It's a tougher point than just drawing a line in the sand, as you have senarios where one competitor is CLEARLY better than another, but might not have the best waist...what do you do?  I've seen the same in regards to the FBB...especially at the local/ regional level...one girl wins here class, and is smooth/ fat, not much muscle....another wins her class and is a beast...what do you do? award the one who is fat and looks like just just started in the gym 2 weeks ago? or give it to the manly chick who is hard looking?

Hmm... Site injectons/ Lumps/ and Distention should all carry a 0 tolerance policy. There are plenty of great physiques coming up thru the ranks, that there wont be a sudden shortage of quality competitors if these things are actully enforced.

In the past the IFBB has actully issued mandates on Guts, and I believe on bumps/lumps but they are not enforced.

This is silly and needs to be corrected....

Also they were on the right track with the diuretic testing, but really dropped the ball, when they wouldnt stand up to Cutlers crying and whining when he failed the test.

Even though Im not the biggest fan of the guy, I have to give Nasser a lot of credit...he too failed the Diuretic testing...but at least he took it in stride. He was quoted as saying, (I paraphrase), "When I started my last min prep, we werent sure if the Diuretic testing would actully take place, so I decided not to take any chances, by the time I was tested it was too late."

[Chick]

Since when does Branch Warren look better than Dennis Wolf? The judges are incompetent. They use definition as the default criterion to separate the men. Sure Branch had more cuts in the back but so what? Dennis still has a better physique.

Chick knows that Dexter was better than Branch. Why all this bullshit about placings? The IFBB is corrupt or incompetent or both.

Arguing with guys like Chick and Goodrum is a waste of time.

When is Branch better? Simple: when one is in shape, and the other one isnt...

No wonder they kicked you off any judging panles years ago...

[Vince B]

Yeah, Bob, what do I know? I had Rusty Jeffers clearly ahead of you in the Masters Pro.

Dennis Wolf was in great shape at the Olympia. He wasn't as cut as 07 but still huge and impressive. Branch is blocky and weird looking compared to the majesty of Wolf.
 

[Mr Nobody]

Chick where would you have placed Wolf, higher than 16th? Basile has a good case here.

[Special Ed]

No problem, I return in -kind...

Curious to hear your response...

My opinion is that one should be able to run down the top 10 competitors and state definitively, that at the 2009 Mr. Olympia, Jay was better than Branch, who was better than Dexter, who was better than Kai, etc...

So I respectfully disagree with the whole apples and oranges argument as it applies to Branch vs. Dexter. I thought Branch was the reason why they added the 'Most Muscular' award.

In my opinion, a sharp Dexter easily and always beats a sharp Branch because he has superior shape and structure. That should be the case regardless of who else is in the show. I can understand having some difficulty with Ruhl vs. Dexter or Ruhl vs. Branch, because of the vast difference in size and shape (and synthol use), but Dexter and Branch are about the same height. Dexter is wider at the shoulders, narrower at the waist, and has more detail and better separation.

I appreciate Branch's physique, but Palumbo didn't deserve to beat Toney Freeman at the 02 Nationals and Branch didn't deserve to beat Dexter at the 09 Olympia, regardless of what other fruits (apples, oranges, grapefruits) were in the show.

[Vince B]

What would Bob know? He was behind the microphone so saw the contest from the side. Exactly the best position for the pro athletes rep, don't you think?