Dick Durbin: 'If You Think It's A Socialist Plot, Drop Out' Of Your Federal Heal

[MCWAY]

Once again, Boy Genius, you got some 'splainin' to do.

[MCWAY]

LIBERAL SOCIALISTS USING JESUS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT = YOU LOSE!

I'm sure jesus would approve of partial birth abortion, gay marriage, death panels, rationing of old people based on community standards, stealing 50% and more of peoples' labor, all to fund this garbage. 

Luke  - face it, you lost this debate again, like every other one.   

.....which might explain why he has show up here and defend his claim about right-wingers not wanting socialized healthcare yet falling back on such, if they're in the military. He even tried to call you, Skip, and HH6 out (forgetting or not knowing that you aren't in the Armed Forces).

[Soul Crusher]

.....which might explain why he has show up here and defend his claim about right-wingers not wanting socialized healthcare yet falling back on such, if they're in the military. He even tried to call you, Skip, and HH6 out (forgetting or not knowing that you aren't in the Armed Forces).

Every now and then Luke gets his courage up and gets slapped the shit out of.  He forgets the beating he takes and then comes back for more, just like in this thread. 

[MCWAY]

Every now and then Luke gets his courage up and gets slapped the shit out of.  He forgets the beating he takes and then comes back for more, just like in this thread. 

I hope he hurries; my beard is growing back.

[The Luke]

Lots of attacks while I'm offline, (time difference)...

But I'm confused here, when you guys say "veterans", do you mean those who have been soldiers... or those who have fought in actual wars?

I was under the impression that those who had seen actual fighting were entitled to VA hospital coverage for life...? Am I wrong?


The Luke

[MCWAY]

Lots of attacks while I'm offline, (time difference)...

But I'm confused here, when you guys say "veterans", do you mean those who have been soldiers... or those who have fought in actual wars?

I was under the impression that those who had seen actual fighting were entitled to VA hospital coverage for life...? Am I wrong?


The Luke

You're not confused. You simply didn't read what was stated.

Recap:

Vets only get TriCare WHILE UNDER DOD's EMPLOY.

The instance you separate, TriCare goes bye-bye. You don't get it, just for having a pulse.

Someone can serve for 20 years, without seeing a lick of combat and, upon retirement, would have healthcare benefits FOR LIFE. Conversely, a Vietnam vet, who served in combat but got axed with a Dishonorable Discharge or "Big Chicken Dinner" DOESN'T GET JACK.

So, it's much like the civilian world. As long as someone's at his job, he gets healthcare benefits. When he quits or gets fired, THE BENEFITS STOP!!

Vets aren't simply falling back on socialized medicine. They are simply getting the benefits that are RIGHTFULLY THEIRS as DoD employees.

Even if what you said were true about vets serving in wars, THAT STILL WOULD NOT BE “socialized” healthcare. They are simply being paid for the service that they provided to DoD.

[The Luke]

You're not confused. You simply didn't read what was stated.

Recap:

Vets only get TriCare WHILE UNDER DOD's EMPLOY.

The instance you separate, TriCare goes bye-bye. You don't get it, just for having a pulse.

So, it's much like the civilian world. As long as someone's at his job, he gets healthcare benefits. When he quits or gets fired, THE BENEFITS STOP!!

Vets aren't simply falling back on socialized medicine. They are simply getting the benefits that are RIGHTFULLY THEIRS as DoD employees.

...well if you don't answer my question, and won't explain exactly what you mean by "veteran", how can we discuss this?


The Luke

[Soul Crusher]

You're not confused. You simply didn't read what was stated.

Recap:

Vets only get TriCare WHILE UNDER DOD's EMPLOY.

The instance you separate, TriCare goes bye-bye. You don't get it, just for having a pulse.

So, it's much like the civilian world. As long as someone's at his job, he gets healthcare benefits. When he quits or gets fired, THE BENEFITS STOP!!

Vets aren't simply falling back on socialized medicine. They are simply getting the benefits that are RIGHTFULLY THEIRS as DoD employees.

Even if what you said were true about vets serving in wars, THAT STILL WOULD NOT BE “socialized” healthcare. They are simply being paid for the service that they provided to DoD.

I want to examine why Luke resorted to bringing "Jesus" into this whole mess when the typical socialist like himself actually mocks RW chrisitians for doing the same on other topics.  I am not religious at all, but i thought Lukes' Jesus comment was a White Flag oF Surrender in my mind.       

[The Luke]

I want to examine why Luke resorted to bringing "Jesus" into this whole mess when the typical socialist like himself actually mocks RW chrisitians for doing the same on other topics.  I am not religious at all, but i thought Lukes' Jesus comment was a White Flag oF Surrender in my mind.       

...so can you answer my question?

If I was a soldier, saw active duty (actual warfare), came home and got a job, lost my job and walked into a VA hospital... can I get treatment?


The Luke

[MCWAY]

...well if you don't answer my question, and won't explain exactly what you mean by "veteran", how can we discuss this?


The Luke

Simple! By your realizing that YOU MUST BE UNDER THE DOD's EMPLOY TO GET TRICARE. That is, the people who get TriCare are: Active duty military, Retired military, and dependents (wife, husband, kids) of such.

A Veteran has simply served in a military operation. But that doesn't matter. If he is no longer part of the Department of Defense, HE GETS NO HEALTHCARE.

[Soul Crusher]

...so can you answer my question?

If I was a soldier, saw active duty (actual warfare), came home and got a job, lost my job and walked into a VA hospital... can I get treatment?


The Luke

I have no idea as I am not in the military. 

[MCWAY]

...so can you answer my question?

If I was a soldier, saw active duty (actual warfare), came home and got a job, lost my job and walked into a VA hospital... can I get treatment?


The Luke

Only if you honorably discharged. Plus, you must meet these qualifications as well:

- You were discharged or separated for medical reasons, early out, or hardship
- You served in theater of combat operations within the past 5 years
- You were discharged from the military because of a disability (not preexisting)
- You are a former Prisoner of War
- You received a Purple Heart Medal
- You receive VA pension or disability benefits
- You receive state Medicaid benefits


Of course, that's still not "socialized" medicine. It is simply payment for (once) being employed by DoD.

[The Luke]

I have no idea as I am not in the military. 

My mistake, I thought you HH6 and Skip82 were all soldiers or former soldiers.

But McWAY has answered my question:
 

Only if you honorably discharged. Plus, you must meet these qualifications as well:

- You were discharged or separated for medical reasons, early out, or hardship
- You served in theater of combat operations within the past 5 years
- You were discharged from the military because of a disability (not preexisting)
- You are a former Prisoner of War
- You received a Purple Heart Medal
- You receive VA pension or disability benefits
- You receive state Medicaid benefits

...so when I said a veteran who was denied coverage by his own private insurer could fall back on socialised medicine... how was I wrong?


The Luke

[MCWAY]

My mistake, I thought you HH6 and Skip82 were all soldiers or former soldiers.

But McWAY has answered my question:
 
...so when I said a veteran who was denied coverage by his own private insurer could fall back on socialised medicine... how was I wrong?


The Luke

I mentioned that earlier. You get the medicine, as payment (of sorts) for being a DoD employee in good standing. Once that ceases to be the case, you don't get it anymore.

Plus, not everyone gets it and you can LOSE it, due to conduct/rule violations.

[The Luke]

I mentioned that earlier. You get the medicine, as payment (of sorts) for being a DoD employee in good standing. Once that ceases to be the case, you don't get it anymore.

So, if you already receive socialised payments of some sort from the DoD, you are also entitled to socialised healthcare...?

I don't understand your argument.

The Luke

[MCWAY]

So, if you already receive socialised payments of some sort from the DoD, you are also entitled to socialised healthcare...?

I don't understand your argument.

The Luke

My argument is that your use of "socialized" is woefully misguided. Getting a paycheck or healthcare benefits from an employer isn't socialized (not even if that employer is the Department of Defense).

If you work for Chick-Fil-A, you get paid by Chick-Fil-A and receive whatever benefits that company offers.

If you work for Disney, you get paid by Disney and get its benefits package.


Same goes for DoD. You work for it; you get paid by it and receive whatever perks inherent therein.

[The Luke]

My argument is that your use of "socialized" is woefully misguided. Getting a paycheck or healthcare benefits from an employer isn't socialized (not even if that employer is the Department of Defense).

...so my definition of socialised is wrong, because your definition of "employed" includes retired people and former employees?


The Luke

[MCWAY]

...so my definition of socialised is wrong, because your definition of "employed" includes retired people and former employees?


The Luke

That's not MY definition of "employed". Retired military are actually (at least in the Navy) in the "Fleet Reserve", meaning that they can be reactivated, under certain (albeit unlikely) circumstances.

They STILL work for DoD.

333386, Skip, and HH6 don't have a problem with folks getting benefits, because they WORK for the military.

[The Luke]

That's not MY definition of "employed". Retired military are actually (at least in the Navy) in the "Fleet Reserve", meaning that they can be reactivated, under certain (albeit unlikely) circumstances.

They STILL work for DoD.

333386, Skip, and HH6 don't have a problem with folks getting benefits, because they WORK for the military.

...so socialised soldiers get socialised medicine?


The Luke

[MCWAY]

...so socialised soldiers get socialised medicine?


The Luke

Where do get this "socialized" stuff?

They get the benefits that their employer provides, just as those who work for Chick-Fil-A, Exxon, or any place else.

[Soul Crusher]

That's not MY definition of "employed". Retired military are actually (at least in the Navy) in the "Fleet Reserve", meaning that they can be reactivated, under certain (albeit unlikely) circumstances.

They STILL work for DoD.

333386, Skip, and HH6 don't have a problem with folks getting benefits, because they WORK for the military.

Its called part of the compensation package, its not a right. 

[The Luke]

Its called part of the compensation package, its not a right. 

In the situation where wounded veterans are called back to active duty, wouldn't every able-bodied American be drafted too?

So are they technically in the DOD's employ also? If so, why don't they qualify for Tricare?


The Luke

[MCWAY]

Its called part of the compensation package, its not a right. 

That's the term for which I was searching. Thanks!!!

[MCWAY]

In the situation where wounded veterans are called back to active duty, wouldn't every able-bodied American be drafted too?

So are they technically in the DOD's employ also? If so, why don't they qualify for Tricare?


The Luke

Because they aren't getting a paycheck for present or past service. You don't get paid for potential or alleged future military duty.

Plus, wounded vets aren't called back into service, unless they are retired and still able to perform. Even then, those are extremely rare circumstances.

[The Luke]

Because they aren't getting a paycheck for present or past service. You don't get paid for potential or alleged future military duty.

So getting  back on the point of this thread, a senator should be entitled to lifetime socialised healthcare after his first term?


The Luke