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"Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
yahoo ^ | Mar 04, 2010 07:30am EST | by Heesun Wee in


Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:39:23 PM by Touch Not the Cat

With Wednesday's ADP report and Thursday's jobless claims data laying the groundwork for Friday's unemployment report, there's an intense focus on jobs from Wall Street to Washington D.C. and beyond.

But there's really only one jobs figure that matters, says John Lekas, senior portfolio manager for the $320 million Leader Short-Term Bond Fund: The U-6 or "real" unemployment number.

U6 is more important than the headline unemployment rate because it includes both the unemployed and "underemployed" workers faced with reduced hours who "still can't pay their bills," Lekas tells Aaron in the accompanying clip. "I think that's a more representative number."

More jobs weakness ahead. More bearish than most, Lekas sees the headline unemployment rate rising to 10% in February and climbing to 15% or 16% by mid-year. Even more dire, he sees the "real" unemployment figure surging to 25%.

Lekas says companies still are focused on cutting costs and jobs to protect their top and bottom lines. Plus, an in-house compilation of household data shows Americans are under water, with unpaid bills and expenses outpacing income by hundreds of dollars a month. That should keep consumer spending down, which means less sales for companies and, thus, less incentive for them to add to payrolls.

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Re: "Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 11:20:30 AM »
I doubt we'll ever get real numbers.

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 11:27:54 AM »
we wont get real numbers and if the numbers were close the admin will blame it on a snowy day, or it rained that week  or maybe the sun was too bright and it was too hot

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 11:30:14 AM »
we wont get real numbers and if the numbers were close the admin will blame it on a snowy day, or it rained that week  or maybe the sun was too bright and it was too hot

yea I never understood that theroy. In CT and I would assume most states, you can file right on the computer or phone. I file on Sunday and get in the mail Tuesday. 25 percent..this is not good

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 11:32:35 AM »
"Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
yahoo ^ | Mar 04, 2010 07:30am EST | by Heesun Wee in


Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:39:23 PM by Touch Not the Cat

With Wednesday's ADP report and Thursday's jobless claims data laying the groundwork for Friday's unemployment report, there's an intense focus on jobs from Wall Street to Washington D.C. and beyond.

But there's really only one jobs figure that matters, says John Lekas, senior portfolio manager for the $320 million Leader Short-Term Bond Fund: The U-6 or "real" unemployment number.

U6 is more important than the headline unemployment rate because it includes both the unemployed and "underemployed" workers faced with reduced hours who "still can't pay their bills," Lekas tells Aaron in the accompanying clip. "I think that's a more representative number."

More jobs weakness ahead. More bearish than most, Lekas sees the headline unemployment rate rising to 10% in February and climbing to 15% or 16% by mid-year. Even more dire, he sees the "real" unemployment figure surging to 25%.

Lekas says companies still are focused on cutting costs and jobs to protect their top and bottom lines. Plus, an in-house compilation of household data shows Americans are under water, with unpaid bills and expenses outpacing income by hundreds of dollars a month. That should keep consumer spending down, which means less sales for companies and, thus, less incentive for them to add to payrolls.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com

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I am sure america has already reached those numbers if not surpassed them. Spain was at 22 percent a couple of years ago. It bought up many roads/highways in america in hopes of profiting of of them by adding taxes and tolls everywhere...however the plan fell through with this orchestrated collapse. The big worry for america and the rest of teh world will be the orchestrated food shortage...Now that will make people CRAZY!!!!!
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Re: "Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 11:35:57 AM »
Why is this a surprise, everything this charlatan (that people like to call the POTUS) has done is a job killer.
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Re: "Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 11:37:13 AM »
hahaha so a 'portfolio manager' now has the inside details of UE?  hahaha pure speculation but of course you buy into it. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 11:38:31 AM »
I am sure america has already reached those numbers if not surpassed them. Spain was at 22 percent a couple of years ago. It bought up many roads/highways in america in hopes of profiting of of them by adding taxes and tolls everywhere...however the plan fell through with this orchestrated collapse. The big worry for america and the rest of teh world will be the orchestrated food shortage...Now that will make people CRAZY!!!!!

Funny you mention that.  EMS had 25% off all freeze dired food with a 10yr shelf life.  I bought a ton of shit over there and the guy at the desk asked me if I was going on a long camping trip.  

The worst thing that happens is that if nothing happens, I eat a bunch of bad tasting lousiana rice 6 years from now in boiled water.  ;D  ;D  

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Re: "Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 11:48:55 AM »
hahaha so a 'portfolio manager' now has the inside details of UE?  hahaha pure speculation but of course you buy into it. 

Why are his numbers any worse than the doctored up bullshit the government releases?
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 11:54:56 AM »
hahaha so a 'portfolio manager' now has the inside details of UE?  hahaha pure speculation but of course you buy into it. 

we are already at 17% UE KC. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 12:35:16 PM »
Nope,the stimulus is working.Dont worry.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 12:42:23 PM »
Nope,the stimulus is working.Dont worry.

I am worried Billy! 

Just yesterday it was reported that at least 1.7 Billion went to china for wind mills! 

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Re: "Real" Unemployment Could Surge to 25%, Portfolio Manager Says
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 12:43:57 PM »
12.8 million from tx tax payers is going to misouri to study cow shit

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 12:45:38 PM »
12.8 million from tx tax payers is going to misouri to study cow shit

KC & Straw will come by to tell us how great this is.  Wait till the number is released tommorow on UE.  Its supposed to be nasty. 

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2010, 12:48:00 PM »
KC & Straw will come by to tell us how great this is.  Wait till the number is released tommorow on UE.  Its supposed to be nasty. 

I can see the headline now:

Unemployment numbers worse than expected

Then their will be a caveat about how the snow storm played some part in it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2010, 12:49:23 PM »
I can see the headline now:

Unemployment numbers worse than expected

Then their will be a caveat about how the snow storm played some part in it.

Thats utter nonsense.  Snow has NOTHING to do with this. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2010, 12:49:51 PM »
lol well now 333 remember it did snow, and it is raining in cali  and the government says that is what sways the number ...... ;D

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2010, 12:56:46 PM »
lol well now 333 remember it did snow, and it is raining in cali  and the government says that is what sways the number ...... ;D

That's pure garbage.  No business fires employees due to one snowfall if there demand for the priduct or service.   

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2010, 12:57:52 PM »
left wing loony media expects america to believe that,  and the bad part is that some do

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2010, 01:01:12 PM »
left wing loony media expects america to believe that,  and the bad part is that some do

Only a moron would believe that.  If there is demand for a product or service businesses are not going to lay off people.   

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2010, 01:04:52 PM »
I have a question..An attorney at the gym I go to asked me this..Dee, would you do volunteer/community service work at least 10 hours a week while on unemployment.

My answer is yes of course. Not sure where I read or heard a comment, some think people on unemployment should be drug tested and -people on welfare and food stamps should as well..thoughts

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010, 01:17:05 PM »
I have a question..An attorney at the gym I go to asked me this..Dee, would you do volunteer/community service work at least 10 hours a week while on unemployment.

My answer is yes of course. Not sure where I read or heard a comment, some think people on unemployment should be drug tested and -people on welfare and food stamps should as well..thoughts

Drug testing for welfare, yes, no reason the tax payer should have to foot the bill for someones drug habit.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2010, 01:19:16 PM »
Drug testing for welfare, yes, no reason the tax payer should have to foot the bill for someones drug habit.


Oh I agree with you but someone pointed out to me..who the fuck pays for the drug testing..hence still the taxpayer..just a thought..I say yes they should

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2010, 01:21:42 PM »
Oh I agree with you but someone pointed out to me..who the fuck pays for the drug testing..hence still the taxpayer..just a thought..I say yes they should

True, I guess its a no win situation for the tax payer. Aceept for the fact that it may get the abusers off the gravy train.
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2010, 01:23:22 PM »
True, I guess its a no win situation for the tax payer. Aceept for the fact that it may get the abusers off the gravy train.

true indeed even the fact the states stated it would go into effect, I bet some would quit for a little while