Author Topic: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.  (Read 1707 times)

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Sowell brings up very good points.  I hope Mal, Kaje, and Shoot read this. 
________________________ ________________________ _

Alice in Medical Care: Part IV
By Thomas Sowell

www.rcp.com
________________________ ______________

Some years ago, one of my favorite doctors retired. On my last visit to his office, he took some time to explain to me why he was retiring early and in good health.

Being a doctor was becoming more of a hassle as the years went by, he said, and also less fulfilling. It was becoming more of a hassle because of the increasing paperwork, and it was less fulfilling because of the way patients came to him.

He was currently being asked to Xerox lots of records from his files, in order to be reimbursed for another patient he was treating. He said it just wasn't worth it. Whoever was paying-- it might have been an insurance company or the government-- would either pay him or not, he said, but he wasn't going to jump through all those hoops.

My doctor said that doctor-patient relationships were not the same as they had been when he entered the profession. Back then, people came to him because someone had recommended him to them, but now increasing numbers of people were sent to him because they had some group insurance plan that included his group.

He said that the mutual confidence that was part of the doctor-patient relationship was not the same with people who came to his office only because his name was on some list of eligible physicians.

The loss of one doctor-- even a very good doctor-- may not seem very important in the grand scheme of heady medical care "reform" and glittering phrases about "universal health care." But making the medical profession more of a hassle for doctors risks losing more doctors, while increasing the demand for treatment.

A study published in the November 2009 issue of the Journal of Law & Economics showed that a rise in the cost of medical liability insurance led to more reductions of hours of medical service supplied by older doctors than among younger doctors.

Younger doctors, more recently out of medical school and often with huge debts to pay off for the cost of that expensive training, may have no choice but to continue working as hard as possible to try to recoup that huge investment of money and time.

Younger doctors will probably continue working, even if bureaucrats load them down with increasing amounts of paperwork and the government continues to lower reimbursements for Medicare, Medicaid and-- heaven help us-- the new proposed "universal health care" legislation that is supposed to "bring down the cost of medical care."

The confusion between lowering costs and refusing to pay the costs can have a real impact on the supply of doctors. The real costs of medical care include both the financial conditions and the working conditions that will insure a continuing supply of both the quantity and the quality of doctors required to maintain medical care standards for a growing number of patients.

Although younger doctors may be trapped in a profession that some of them might not have entered if they had known in advance what all its pluses and minuses would turn out to be, there are two other important groups who are in a position to decide whether or not it is worth it.

Those who are old enough to have paid off their medical school debts long ago, and successful enough that they can afford to retire early, or to take jobs as medical consultants, can opt out of the whole elaborate third-party payment system and its problems. What the rising costs of medical liability insurance has already done for some, other hassles that bureaucracies and politicians create can have the same effect for others.

There is another group that doesn't have to put up with these hassles. These are young people who have reached the stage in their lives when they are choosing which profession to enter, and weighing the pluses and minuses before making their decisions.

Some of these young people might prefer becoming a doctor, other things being equal. But the heady schemes of government-controlled medicine, and the ever more bloated bureaucracies that these heady schemes will require, can make it very unlikely that other things will be equal in the medical profession.

Paying doctors less and hassling them more may be some people's idea of "lowering the cost of medical care," but it is instead refusing to pay the costs-- and taking the consequences.

Copyright 2010, Creators Syndicate Inc.

________________________ ________________________ _____

Thoughts from the Docs on this site?

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 08:20:17 AM »
It'll give middle class Americans a chance to experience the kind of healthcare poor people get in free clinics.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 08:43:48 AM »
It'll give middle class Americans a chance to experience the kind of healthcare poor people get in free clinics.

Oh great. 

I said from day 1 , the middle class is enemy No 1 to Obama.  He truly wants a massive poor class and a tiny uber wealthy class which he thinks he is a part of. 


drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 08:50:10 AM »
Oh great. 

I said from day 1 , the middle class is enemy No 1 to Obama.  He truly wants a massive poor class and a tiny uber wealthy class which he thinks he is a part of. 



Look at the bright side(s): There's no legal way to make doctors participate. Health care will be relegated to poor community clinics staffed by doctors who are only there to repay loans. People with money will still be able to afford private practice doctors. Doctors in private (non-govt) practice will enjoy themselves more because there will be less paperwork. People with money will have longer visits, better care and will even end up with private hospitals/clinics.

Everyone will still get care. :)

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 08:56:45 AM »
Look at the bright side(s): There's no legal way to make doctors participate. Health care will be relegated to poor community clinics staffed by doctors who are only there to repay loans. People with money will still be able to afford private practice doctors. Doctors in private (non-govt) practice will enjoy themselves more because there will be less paperwork. People with money will have longer visits, better care and will even end up with private hospitals/clinics.

Everyone will still get care. :)

Which is what I have been saying. 

Obama is truly the enemy of the middle class since all of his massive tax hikes, fees, mandates etc will leave 95% of the people with no money left in their pockets. 

Face it, he is a communist at heart and truly trying to "transform" this country into such. 

He destroys everything he touches and will destroy medicine and the enrgy sector once he goes near that. 

   

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 09:18:27 AM »
Which is what I have been saying. 

Obama is truly the enemy of the middle class since all of his massive tax hikes, fees, mandates etc will leave 95% of the people with no money left in their pockets. 

Face it, he is a communist at heart and truly trying to "transform" this country into such. 

He destroys everything he touches and will destroy medicine and the enrgy sector once he goes near that. 

   

It's a case where cost doesn't matter. Once initiated, America's greatest class warfare battle will begin to keep alive.

I'm not taking into account doctors who will retire or leave the country. I'm certain a few people wrongly assume doctors who attended off-shore schools will end up being indentured servants so any actual shortage is impossible. I can see how someone unfamiliar with WHO guidelines would assume that.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 09:28:11 AM »
It's a case where cost doesn't matter. Once initiated, America's greatest class warfare battle will begin to keep alive.

I'm not taking into account doctors who will retire or leave the country. I'm certain a few people wrongly assume doctors who attended off-shore schools will end up being indentured servants so any actual shortage is impossible. I can see how someone unfamiliar with WHO guidelines would assume that.

Great I am going to have to learn Indian to go to the doctor. 

I guess I have to go to Amazon and read up on home medicine. 

Damn I hate this prick!  The best part of this is that Obama, as Rush always says, IS ALWAYS THE LEAST EXPERIENCED PERSON IN ANY SUBJECT MATTER NO MATTER WHERE HE GOES! 

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 09:40:23 AM »
Great I am going to have to learn Indian to go to the doctor. 

I guess I have to go to Amazon and read up on home medicine. 

Damn I hate this prick!  The best part of this is that Obama, as Rush always says, IS ALWAYS THE LEAST EXPERIENCED PERSON IN ANY SUBJECT MATTER NO MATTER WHERE HE GOES! 

I promise to give you a discount, FWIW. :)

Either way, I've decided to say what liberals say "It won't cost meanything so who cares?".

I'll work in a clinic (7 years) for less money if student loan payments aren't considered taxable income. :)

BodyProSite

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1096
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 11:39:39 AM »
why should the middle class , the people that work hard every day for a living to pay for the things they want have to experience the way poor people live who are too dam lazy to work for what they want, seems kinda stupid to me to want someone who works for thing to have to experience what someone who will not get off the couch experiences.  heres an idea,  bums and lazy fucks could work for a living and then in turn experience what the middle class experience hmmm  what a crazy idea???

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2010, 11:43:27 AM »
why should the middle class , the people that work hard every day for a living to pay for the things they want have to experience the way poor people live who are too dam lazy to work for what they want, seems kinda stupid to me to want someone who works for thing to have to experience what someone who will not get off the couch experiences.  heres an idea,  bums and lazy fucks could work for a living and then in turn experience what the middle class experience hmmm  what a crazy idea???

Bodyro - the middle class is an obstacle to MAObama towards his imposition to a communist revolution and society.

Just look at the language he uses, the policies, the history, his associations, his ideaology, etc.  He is a damn communist and there is no disputing that whatsoever.     
 

BodyProSite

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1096
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2010, 11:46:14 AM »
i know this 333 lol  i was asking drjake  a question based on his comment about bringing the middle class down,   anyone with half a brain can figure out that bammer hates the constitution and the middle class

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2010, 11:52:05 AM »
i know this 333 lol  i was asking drjake  a question based on his comment about bringing the middle class down,   anyone with half a brain can figure out that bammer hates the constitution and the middle class

Its more than that.  This demented freakshow named Barry Soetoro is mentally deranged and thinks he is going to be part of some uber wealthy elite top .0001 percent and the rest of us will be serfs and slaves to his NWO agenda. 

I have news for you, people are not going for it and the more he pushes there will be more people flying planes into buildings, etc. 

This communist girl Obama has no idea the fire he is playing with here. 

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2010, 12:07:07 PM »
why should the middle class , the people that work hard every day for a living to pay for the things they want have to experience the way poor people live who are too dam lazy to work for what they want, seems kinda stupid to me to want someone who works for thing to have to experience what someone who will not get off the couch experiences.  heres an idea,  bums and lazy fucks could work for a living and then in turn experience what the middle class experience hmmm  what a crazy idea???

To be freed from false hope, BPS.

Everyone wants to believe they're middle class, not just busting their asses daily to get by. Until enough people get mad nothing will change. This won't happen until we're totally crushed and free of thinking some miracle is going to make us rich. :)

Until then, I'll roll with the changes.

BodyProSite

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1096
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2010, 12:22:33 PM »
i dont think that drjake, i am happy with what i have , and i didnt get help from anyone,  nor do i want to help other people that are too dam lazy  i have worked all my life and paid for my own way all my life and now i do well, i am not rich but i support me and my wife and we can afford some cool stuff , this was due to alot of hard work,   do i deserve to be brought down to poverty level   with the people that will not work for anything, but expect everything?

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2010, 12:25:13 PM »
i dont think that drjake, i am happy with what i have , and i didnt get help from anyone,  nor do i want to help other people that are too dam lazy  i have worked all my life and paid for my own way all my life and now i do well, i am not rich but i support me and my wife and we can afford some cool stuff , this was due to alot of hard work,   do i deserve to be brought down to poverty level   with the people that will not work for anything, but expect everything?

YES! ! ! !  !

That is the whole idea B Pro! 

Obama and his fellow marxists look at others as victims and as you as the perpetrator.  this is why they want to bring you down and distribute what you have to all these other people who MAObama and the other perceive as victims. 

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2010, 12:37:00 PM »
i dont think that drjake, i am happy with what i have , and i didnt get help from anyone,  nor do i want to help other people that are too dam lazy  i have worked all my life and paid for my own way all my life and now i do well, i am not rich but i support me and my wife and we can afford some cool stuff , this was due to alot of hard work,   do i deserve to be brought down to poverty level   with the people that will not work for anything, but expect everything?

Many people do, BPS.

We just haven't hit the level of pain that will inspire change.

BodyProSite

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1096
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2010, 12:50:32 PM »
well the only change that needs to happen is people need to be responsible for them self, if they want something, work for it period, dont wait around for someone else to help you,  I dont see how a man can call himself a man when he has to have people constantly help them and baby sit them. thats not a man thats a over sized lil boy who needs his mommy to handle everything

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2010, 01:02:12 PM »
well the only change that needs to happen is people need to be responsible for them self, if they want something, work for it period, dont wait around for someone else to help you,  I dont see how a man can call himself a man when he has to have people constantly help them and baby sit them. thats not a man thats a over sized lil boy who needs his mommy to handle everything

Welfare pays more than minimum wage, Bro. All that stuff you're talking isn't gonna happen for a majority of poorer Americans. Making babies is pretty much a non-traditional job these days.

shootfighter1

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5674
  • Competitor- NABBA Nationals Overall Champ
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2010, 07:06:01 AM »
I am very concerned about the trend of exempting more people from taxation (income tax mainly) and increasing the income levels that qualify for free assistance programs, ie...food stamps, medicaid, etc.  I am all for giving people a bridge to get over hard times or a ladder so they can climb, but I think it is very dangerous to increase the sense of entitlement in the country.  That breaks pride and the independent spirit that made this country great.  We have to take care of our poor, elderly and disabled but we cannot create a nanny state for an increasing # of people.
I guess this comment fits with healthcare because of the massive expansion of medicaid mandated in the new healthcare plan.  An expansion that we can't afford and will further strain the working taxpayer.

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2010, 07:21:22 AM »
I am very concerned about the trend of exempting more people from taxation (income tax mainly) and increasing the income levels that qualify for free assistance programs, ie...food stamps, medicaid, etc.  I am all for giving people a bridge to get over hard times or a ladder so they can climb, but I think it is very dangerous to increase the sense of entitlement in the country.  That breaks pride and the independent spirit that made this country great.  We have to take care of our poor, elderly and disabled but we cannot create a nanny state for an increasing # of people.
I guess this comment fits with healthcare because of the massive expansion of medicaid mandated in the new healthcare plan.  An expansion that we can't afford and will further strain the working taxpayer.

No one really ever thought taxes, inflation, mortgage rates, and all the other cost of living stuff would essentially render people in the $20-25K salary range "the working poor".  :'(

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2010, 07:25:20 AM »
No one really ever thought taxes, inflation, mortgage rates, and all the other cost of living stuff would essentially render people in the $20-25K salary range "the working poor".  :'(

Come to NYC and raise that number to 50k. 

The taxes are criminal.  I wish a huge tsunami would come and take out Albany and DC. 

 

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2010, 07:30:05 AM »
Come to NYC and raise that number to 50k. 

The taxes are criminal.  I wish a huge tsunami would come and take out Albany and DC. 

 

Look at what it costs to live in the city, FFS!

How in the heck could we create an economy where someone living a modest life and making $50K barely ekes by? There are a lot of bubbles that need to burst.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41761
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2010, 07:35:22 AM »
Look at what it costs to live in the city, FFS!

How in the heck could we create an economy where someone living a modest life and making $50K barely ekes by? There are a lot of bubbles that need to burst.

You cant eke by at 50k.  You have to live with a multi-generational household or 3 or 4 roomates in a 2 bedroom apartment like an ant. 

The taxes are so obscene here and the govt workers so fgrossly overpaid and arrogant. 

I know cops who all are well over 150k a year plus benes its not funny.  And they laugh at the rest of us!   These gangsters with guns are raping the system the dry and try to convince me why paying more taxes is worth it to fund them. 

Every cop I know is driving a mercedes or BMW, living large and raping us in OT, sick time, pension fraud, its insane.  The firemen are slightly better. 

Its awful.  I am planning my exit as we speak.     

shootfighter1

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5674
  • Competitor- NABBA Nationals Overall Champ
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2010, 07:36:23 AM »
Agreed.

As far as medicine goes....I think the income disparity between general practitioners and specialists need to be lessened.  I understand that surgical specialties require another 2 yrs of training so they should be paid more but to have a typical general doctor making $130,000 and a surgeon making $400-500,000 is ridiculous.  We need to attract more people to primary care medicine.  Increasing paperwork, forcing us to see more people per hour, allowing hospital administrators to treat us poorly, more bureacrats between us & our patients and decreasing or stable salaries in spite of cost of living increases all work against that aim.

And something must be done to help private general practices.  We are treated like small businesses and have to pay the same outrageous taxation while all overhead costs are rising.  I saw the increased unemployment tax last month and higher local taxes too.  More and more private docs will fold into large systems if this continues.

drkaje

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18182
  • Quiet, Err. I'm transmitting rage.
Re: Attn Doctors: ObamaCare is bad for your health - Thomas Sowell.
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2010, 08:16:56 AM »
Agreed.

As far as medicine goes....I think the income disparity between general practitioners and specialists need to be lessened.  I understand that surgical specialties require another 2 yrs of training so they should be paid more but to have a typical general doctor making $130,000 and a surgeon making $400-500,000 is ridiculous.  We need to attract more people to primary care medicine.  Increasing paperwork, forcing us to see more people per hour, allowing hospital administrators to treat us poorly, more bureacrats between us & our patients and decreasing or stable salaries in spite of cost of living increases all work against that aim.

And something must be done to help private general practices.  We are treated like small businesses and have to pay the same outrageous taxation while all overhead costs are rising.  I saw the increased unemployment tax last month and higher local taxes too.  More and more private docs will fold into large systems if this continues.

They want private practices squeezed out and ultimately absorbed into hospital owned clinics. Hospitals (on the surface at least) have better infrastructures and only seem to worry about costs when nursing unions ask for more money.:)

There should be a little more parity for non-specialists but you're gonna have a hard time selling that when surgeons and other specialist have higher malpractice exposure, premiums and tail coverage factored into their professional component.