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AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« on: March 10, 2010, 10:17:00 AM »
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WASHINGTON � Americans and their lawmakers are dramatically out of sync on health care, with large majorities of people looking for bipartisan cooperation that's nowhere in sight.

A new Associated Press-GfK Poll finds a widespread hunger for improvements to the health care system, which suggests President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies have a political opening to push their plan. Half of all Americans say health care should be changed a lot or "a great deal," and only 4 percent say it shouldn't be changed at all.

But they don't like the way the debate is playing out in Washington, where GOP lawmakers unanimously oppose the Obama-backed legislation and Democrats are struggling to pass it by themselves with narrow House and Senate majorities.

More than four in five Americans say it's important that any health care plan have support from both parties. And 68 percent say the president and congressional Democrats should keep trying to cut a deal with Republicans rather than pass a bill with no GOP support.

Leaders of both parties in Congress say that's not how it's going to work out. After a year of off-and-on negotiations, Republicans adamantly oppose Obama's plans. The White House and Democratic leaders say it's now-or-never for a health care overhaul, which would cover an additional 30 million Americans, require almost everyone to buy health insurance and impose new restrictions on insurance companies.

The Democrats' plan relies on parliamentary rules that bar Senate filibusters. That would enable Senate Democrats to pass a companion health care bill – which House Democrats are demanding – with a simple majority. Democrats control 59 of the Senate's 100 votes, one shy of the number needed to stop GOP filibusters.

The new poll underscores Obama's struggles to wrest control of the health care debate from Republicans, who couch his efforts as a government takeover and costly intrusion into private lives.

Many of his allies are baffled, because Americans clearly want change, and some of the individual components of the Democrats' health care agenda seem popular. Moreover, the public has not embraced the Republicans' overall approach to legislating, giving lower approval ratings to GOP lawmakers than to Democrats, although both parties fare badly.

In the AP-GfK Poll, 43 percent of those surveyed said Obama and Congress should keep working to pass health care this year, while 41 percent said they should start from scratch. On Capitol Hill, the Republicans favor that new-start approach; Democrats say that's just a way to stall the effort to death.

Sandy Stemm of Springfield, Ore., would seem the ideal target for Obama's appeal. She's a Democrat and former bakery manager who recently lost her job and health insurance.

But Stemm, 47, doesn't like the idea of congressional Democrats going it alone on health care.

"I think it's important to come to an agreement," she said in a telephone interview. "We're all in this together, whether we're Democrat or Republican."

John DeHority, a Democrat from Rochester, N.Y., supports Obama's effort and thinks Republicans have "made a travesty of the process." But he suggested the GOP is winning the political battle.

"I think passing the bill in its current form would be political suicide for Democrats," said DeHority, 56, a researcher in health care imaging. He said he thinks the proposed changes would fail because they would not control costs, and "Democrats will take the fall for that."

Obama's own message, sometimes shifting, seems unpersuasive to many.

Over the past year, he has moved his emphasis from the moral implications of improving health care to the cost-cutting possibilities to the impact on the deficit. In a fiery speech near Philadelphia on Monday, he renewed his harsh attacks on insurance companies, which he says are overcharging people and denying coverage to less-desirable clients.

The president heads to St. Louis on Wednesday to press his case for overhaul, even as major businesses launch a multimillion-dollar ad campaign to undercut the legislation.

The result is a message mishmash that leaves many people unsure why they should support Obama's plans, said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an authority on political communications at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg center.

"They didn't make those mistakes in the campaign," she said, calling Obama a master at staying on message as a candidate. "Communications scholars are shaking their heads," she said.

White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said Tuesday that Republicans "have played politics with health reform from the very beginning." Also, many Americans have been turned off by the political dealmaking that took place in Congress, Pfeiffer said, and "the insurance industry has spent millions demonizing health reform."

More spending is on the way. Major business groups Tuesday announced a multimillion-dollar ad campaign criticizing Obama's proposals. Health insurance companies are among those paying for the ads, scheduled to air on cable channels nationally and then in 17 states that are home to moderate Democratic lawmakers.

House Democratic leaders are waiting for final legislative language before launching an all-out push to enact the health care bill that the Senate passed on Christmas Eve. The House's somewhat different version passed 220-215, with 39 Democrats voting against it.

Presidential adviser David Axelrod told supporters on a conference call Tuesday that "what happens in the next 10 days will be critical." He asked them to talk to friends and neighbors to boost momentum.

The AP-GfK Poll was conducted March 3-8, by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. It involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,002 adults nationwide, and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points.

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Associated Press writers Natasha Metzler, Ann Sanner and Erica Werner, and AP polling director Trevor Tompson and news survey specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.
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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 10:27:01 AM »
the right-wing poll that 75% of americans hate obamacare is correct.

It's misleading, because a big chunk of those polled don't think it goes far enough, as it has no public option.

FOX has repeated that poll nonstop, but yeah, it's quite misleading.

The sad fact is, we all know people want to see it changed.  Repubs owned congress for TWELVE YEARS and the White house for 8 years - and they didn't touch healthcare.  You could give them another 20 years, and they sitll would not touch it.

And 96% of americans want it touched.  So they elected the guy who says he'll initiate universal healthcare - yes, he said it would.

Repubs, you had your chance.  Too busy jacking off in airport bathrooms to handle the task, now you hae to settle for the shit sandwich the dems push thru.  You have no one to blame but yourselves :(

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 10:30:29 AM »
Of course it's misleading.  Most people i know don't want to be forced to buy health insurance, but on the other hand if they were given the option of keeping it the same or moving forward with this plan.  It's overwhelming that only 4% want to keep it the same.  That right there is a resounding and emphatic - You are out of touch, to the republican candidates.
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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 10:34:52 AM »
Right-winged poll? That came from CNN. 48% want the healthcare bill started from scratch; 25% say drop it altogether and focus on jobs.

Don’t tell me you think CNN is trying to mislead the people.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 10:36:36 AM »
Right-winged poll? That came from CNN. 48% want the healthcare bill started from scratch; 25% say drop it altogether and focus on jobs.

Don’t tell me you think CNN is trying to mislead the people.


41% in the AP Poll.  I guess it's either margin of error or a majority of people want it/don't care. 
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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 10:36:46 AM »
And, if healthcare is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO important, why is Obama pimping a bill, in which you get taxed out the wazoo NOW (notwithstanding the fact that he swore before God and several other white people, that nobody making under $250K would have their taxes go up “one single dime”) but you don’t get the benefits FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS?

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 10:37:05 AM »
the right-wing poll that 75% of americans hate obamacare is correct.

It's misleading, because a big chunk of those polled don't think it goes far enough, as it has no public option.

FOX has repeated that poll nonstop, but yeah, it's quite misleading.

The sad fact is, we all know people want to see it changed.  Repubs owned congress for TWELVE YEARS and the White house for 8 years - and they didn't touch healthcare.  You could give them another 20 years, and they sitll would not touch it.

And 96% of americans want it touched.  So they elected the guy who says he'll initiate universal healthcare - yes, he said it would.

Repubs, you had your chance.  Too busy jacking off in airport bathrooms to handle the task, now you hae to settle for the shit sandwich the dems push thru.  You have no one to blame but yourselves :(


Americans have fully REJECTED Obamacare!!!!!!!!They dont trust it.The reason?IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH CARE!!!!It will raise premiums[Durbin said that himself].Americans know that this is about control and nothing else.Thats why they put republicans in liberal seats in Mass. and New Jersey.

The polls I read say the vast majority of Americans want this bill dropped and to start over.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 10:39:00 AM »
I think the first question needs to directed to any AP poll. Most of the AP is liberal to begin with.
Now, back to healthcare... It is no secret that the majority of Americans want a better system of Healthcare. I want it, I'm sure you want it. The problem with OBAMACARE is it is not what he is selling. He is touting cheaper costs and this is just not the case. You can't simply insure an additional 30 million people WITHOUT increasing costs. Where do you get the money?? Taxes... It is just one in many reasons why Americans don't want OBAMACARE. But they want reform. If Obama would put down his socialist agenda and work with republicans maybe this thing will get done. But it seems he is not willing to go that route... And it also looks as tho he doesn't have the votes to pass this current version.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 10:40:21 AM »
Hey the poll says only 4% want the status quo, regardless of the plan people want change.  If the republican party didn't take advantage and put forth a comprehensive plan to the public then that is their own fault and failure.  

regarding the AP i wouldn't say it's liberal at all, if anything it's one of the most impartial news sources we have. 
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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 10:45:31 AM »
I think its pretty clear that the majority of america wants reform of some kind in regards to healthcare

I think is painfully clear they do not want the reform that obama and congress has come up with to this point though

change/action for the sake of change/action is a horrible mantra often touted by the dems and progressives...thats how we got the stimulus/spending bill

acting simply to act is idiotic planned steps are needed with concrete ideas of results...

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 10:58:40 AM »
Of course it's misleading.  Most people i know don't want to be forced to buy health insurance, but on the other hand if they were given the option of keeping it the same or moving forward with this plan.  It's overwhelming that only 4% want to keep it the same.  That right there is a resounding and emphatic - You are out of touch, to the republican candidates.

PLEASE!! WE've seen plenty of polls that state the American people would rather Washington DO NOTHING than pass this garbage.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 11:02:37 AM »
PLEASE!! WE've seen plenty of polls that state the American people would rather Washington DO NOTHING than pass this garbage.

and now we have a poll with a 96% majority wanting some change.  That right there on the verge of this bill passing tells you people want change.  What that change is we can all debate but they do not want the status quo.
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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 11:04:19 AM »
and now we have a poll with a 96% majority wanting some change.  That right there on the verge of this bill passing tells you people want change.  What that change is we can all debate but they do not want the status quo.

There's NO debate that they don't want ObamaCare, bottom line.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 11:05:41 AM »
before we all kill each other lets just take a deep breath and think about this...





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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 11:12:42 AM »
I wonder if you did a poll asking "do you want your taxes dropped" how many would say yes?Yet Democrats have voted against tax cuts everytime since JFK.People want change just not the change Barrack Hussein Obama is pushing.

By the way,I notice 240 ONCE AGAIN rip republicans and praises libs,yet he is a big conservative.When you defend the part of Barney Frank and insult fag republicans Id say thats fairly incredible.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2010, 12:05:47 PM »
There's NO debate that they don't want ObamaCare, bottom line.

Exactly.  People dont want this garbage. 

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2010, 12:17:47 PM »
where did I praise libs?  I called this bill a shit sandwich.  Would you like me to be more graphic that that?  LOL...

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2010, 12:20:09 PM »
Hey the poll says only 4% want the status quo, regardless of the plan people want change.  If the republican party didn't take advantage and put forth a comprehensive plan to the public then that is their own fault and failure.  

regarding the AP i wouldn't say it's liberal at all, if anything it's one of the most impartial news sources we have. 
The AP is impartial?? Dude, you serious?
I never said the American people didn't want changes, just not Obamacare. It seems everyone gets this except Obama and his party.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2010, 12:20:55 PM »
before we all kill each other lets just take a deep breath and think about this...






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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2010, 12:22:42 PM »
and now we have a poll with a 96% majority wanting some change.  That right there on the verge of this bill passing tells you people want change.  What that change is we can all debate but they do not want the status quo.
YES, THEY WANT CHANGE, OR REFORM. BUT NOT WHAT OBAMA IS SELLING... What don't you get?

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2010, 12:23:08 PM »
Bush tried to save social security the dems killed it.So,why do anything about health care when democrats wont let you touch one thing in the government?

"The sad fact is, we all know people want to see it changed.  Repubs owned congress for TWELVE YEARS and the White house for 8 years - and they didn't touch healthcare.  You could give them another 20 years, and they sitll would not touch it."

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2010, 12:32:22 PM »
I want change, but not in the way the communists in the RAT party want it. 

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2010, 12:41:36 PM »
"Bush tried to save social security the dems killed it.So,why do anything about health care when democrats wont let you touch one thing in the government?"

Bush did anything he wanted from jan 01 til jan 07.

Six years - and he used reconciliation on a few things, like his budget and cutting medicare.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 12:59:41 PM »
"Bush tried to save social security the dems killed it.So,why do anything about health care when democrats wont let you touch one thing in the government?"

Bush did anything he wanted from jan 01 til jan 07.

Six years - and he used reconciliation on a few things, like his budget and cutting medicare.

Its used for budgetary reasons!!!By the way,there will be no reconciliation.When the house passes the senate bill,thats the law.THATS WHY they are hesitating.

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Re: AP Poll only 4% of Americans want health care unchanged
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 01:01:29 PM »
"Bush tried to save social security the dems killed it.So,why do anything about health care when democrats wont let you touch one thing in the government?"

Bush did anything he wanted from jan 01 til jan 07.

Six years - and he used reconciliation on a few things, like his budget and cutting medicare.
No, the dem's stopped the social security fix in 2006. AARP had the elderly out in force crying the were going to loose their ss check. Where is in fact people like me (39 y.o.) will never see this money as it goes into a corrupt black hole. Bush wanted to transform it into a sort of 401k PLAN. I thought it was a good idea. The problem was, our politicians used ss funds as if it was theirs to play with. Ultimately bankrupted the program. So, here we are.... on the verge of doing the same with gov't run healthcare.
One question to you democrats:

If this plan was soo sound and good for the country, why didn't you pass it when you had the majority?? Why didn't you get it done? You didn't need the republicans. You had the seats to vote without them. Obama still couldnn't get it done... What does that tell you??!