Author Topic: In Desperation, Obama Exploits Cancer Patient Natoma Canfield to Sell Obamacare.  (Read 4132 times)

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In a final act of desperation, Barack Obama has exploited cancer patient Natoma Canfield of Ohio to aggressively sell his unpopular and politically uncertain attempt at so-called health care "reform," Obamacare. While at it, he also lied about her situation to scare ill-informed Americans into supporting his plan to wreck one-sixth of the US economy. Appearing at a rally in Strongsville, Ohio, Obama cited cancer patient Natoma Canfield's story to drum up emotion, block out the facts, and discourage a rational understanding of his health care "reform." Last week, Senate Democrats exploited an 11-year-old boy who recently lost his mother to emotionally pressure Americans into supporting Obamacare; this week, Obama does the same with a cancer patient! Based on these lowlife tactics, you can really tell when the Democrats are on their last legs with an unpopular bill. You can also tell how cutthroat Democrats are, stopping at nothing to get people on board.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2795218/in_act_of_desperation_obama_exploits.html?cat=75

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Does this really surprise you? If the "healthcare" reform bill was so good, we wouldn't be having this debate right now. Americans by large know its yet another power grab and intrustion into their lives by the federal government. When you have no facts to back you up, you go for the emotional response, this is nothing new, Bill Clinton was a master of this.
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Does this really surprise you? If the "healthcare" reform bill was so good, we wouldn't be having this debate right now. Americans by large know its yet another power grab and intrustion into their lives by the federal government. When you have no facts to back you up, you go for the emotional response, this is nothing new, Bill Clinton was a master of this.


Actually, I read an article this morning showing how filled with lies and distortions that whole farce was. 

n my entire life I have NEVER seen anything like this. 

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Actually, I read an article this morning showing how filled with lies and distortions that whole farce was. 

n my entire life I have NEVER seen anything like this. 

That may be the case, but how many are actually going to fact check the POTUS? He knows he can get people all riled up over some perceived injustice. This is how it is done now, emotional arguments devoid of fact.
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That may be the case, but how many are actually going to fact check the POTUS? He knows he can get people all riled up over some perceived injustice. This is how it is done now, emotional arguments devoid of fact.

Actually, the easiest way to fact check Obama is to simply believe the opposite of whatever he says. 

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he did the same thing while he was running for office, exploiting his own mother/grandmother I don't remember exactly.

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Didn't the sister of this woman write a letter to Obama explaining her situation.

Do you think the woman or her family really feels exploited by having the President bring national attention to her situation?

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Didn't the sister of this woman write a letter to Obama explaining her situation.

Do you think the woman or her family really feels exploited by having the President bring national attention to her situation?

Guess what?  She is being explited because Obama is lying about her situation, as he does about everything else. 

 


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Let's "exploit" her here too:

Listen to the exploited womans own words from yesterday:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#35884301

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Let's "exploit" her here too:

Listen to the exploited womans own words from yesterday:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#35884301

He is exploting it because he is making it sound that if his bill passes it will help her, which it wont.  The bill has 4 years of tax increases before anything really kicks in.

 

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He is exploting it because he is making it sound that if his bill passes it will help her, which it wont.  The bill has 4 years of tax increases before anything really kicks in.

 

Why do you even bother, we always get the "victims" version of the story, and the other evil "insert entity" here is out to get you.

Yeah 4 years of tax increases before anything happens, and I'm sure the asshats in DC are going to leave all that money untouched. It will be just like social security the fuckers will loot the son of a bitch and leave a  bunch of worthless IOU's.
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Why do you even bother, we always get the "victims" version of the story, and the other evil "insert entity" here is out to get you.

Yeah 4 years of tax increases before anything happens, and I'm sure the asshats in DC are going to leave all that money untouched. It will be just like social security the fuckers will loot the son of a bitch and leave a  bunch of worthless IOU's.

Only a blind fool like Straw believes the promises of a con man like Obama. 

But then again, Straw claims the post office is doing great.  Ha Ha Ha.  Unreal. 

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He is exploting it because he is making it sound that if his bill passes it will help her, which it wont.  The bill has 4 years of tax increases before anything really kicks in. 

does she look exploited to you

she contacted the President and all she wanted/expected was to make people aware of her situation and that's exactly what she got

Personally, I think this bill sucks and that's mostly due to Repubs (and many Dems) who are owned by insurance companies

This bill should have a Public Option - period.

This bill should eliminate the monopoly that insurance companies enjoy (either that or give me a monopoly in my biz)

This bil should not force anyone to buy private insurance unless there is a corresponding public option that we can choose instead

etc...

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Only a blind fool like Straw believes the promises of a con man like Obama. 

But then again, Straw claims the post office is doing great.  Ha Ha Ha.  Unreal. 
 

still on the rag I see

how many days has it been now?

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does she look exploited to you

she contacted the President and all she wanted/expected was to make people aware of her situation and that's exactly what she got

Personally, I think this bill sucks and that's mostly due to Repubs (and many Dems) who are owned by insurance companies

This bill should have a Public Option - period.

This bill should eliminate the monopoly that insurance companies enjoy (either that or give me a monopoly in my biz)

This bil should not force anyone to buy private insurance unless there is a corresponding public option that we can choose instead

etc...

Go write a letter to Obama about that and see if he gives air to your complaints the same way he gave to this woman. 

oh thats right, he cant exploit your situation like this womans' so it will fall on deaf ears. 

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does she look exploited to you

she contacted the President and all she wanted/expected was to make people aware of her situation and that's exactly what she got

Personally, I think this bill sucks and that's mostly due to Repubs (and many Dems) who are owned by insurance companies

This bill should have a Public Option - period.

This bill should eliminate the monopoly that insurance companies enjoy (either that or give me a monopoly in my biz)

This bil should not force anyone to buy private insurance unless there is a corresponding public option that we can choose instead

etc...

If the government broke up the monopoly they secretly support there would be no need for a public option - period.

Maybe you are willing to hand over whatever freedoms you have left to the government, but I am not.

The constitution is clear the government functions at the will of the people, bottom up as opposed to top down governance. Somewhere along the line the people have forgotten that, and our system has been corrupted.
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If the government broke up the monopoly they secretly support there would be no need for a public option - period.
this would be true but only with a bunch of other laws restricting rescission, pre-existing conditions, etc...
we can ingore the fact that insurance companies exist to make money and not to provide health care
Those two things are mutually exclusive
Maybe you are willing to hand over whatever freedoms you have left to the government, but I am not.
no one is stopping you from moving.  Personally, I've purchased private health insurance since the month after I got out of college and was off my parents plan and I have no intentions of dropping my health insurance so nothing will change for me
The constitution is clear the government functions at the will of the people, bottom up as opposed to top down governance. Somewhere along the line the people have forgotten that, and our system has been corrupted.
Elections aren't bottom up enough for you?

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Why Does Obama Want To Raise Natoma Canfield's Health Insurance Costs?
Cancer patient Natoma Canfield is today's latest hostage for health care Obama is holding up, that despite possibly breaking the law in releasing a private letter from her to the media back on March 5th.

He'll speak Monday at a recreation and senior center in Strongsville, outside Cleveland.

Strongsville is the home of cancer patient Natoma Canfield, who wrote the president she gave up her health insurance after it rose to $8,500 a year. Canfield's sister, Connie Anderson, is scheduled to introduce the president at the event.


A reference to the HIPAA issue via a previous NRO post. But we know the laws don't apply to Democrats, especially when trying to score political points with misinformation.

According to White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, Mrs. Natoma Canfield of Medina, Ohio, had just written a letter to the president describing her plight. Fifty years old, Mrs. Canfield was employed when she was diagnosed with cancer 16 years ago. Twelve years ago, she lost her job, took COBRA benefits, and then migrated to an individual policy (likely under Ohio law, which guarantees her access to either and Ohio Basic or Ohio Standard plan, without underwriting). I hope this was a set-up. (If it wasn't, I suspect that Mr. Gibbs and perhaps even the president have violated the privacy provisions of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, but we'll let the lawyers worry about that.)

Also, as NRO points out, it's government regulation that led to Canfield's premiums going up in the first place - not that we can expect Obama to employ facts when making a misleading emotional appeal meant to keep him from looking like the failure he's been so far.

The president's response to Mrs. Canfield should have gone something like this:

"I regret that the tax policies of the United States government make it impossible for health insurers to pool risks properly, like they do for life insurance. Life insurance policies, which are owned by individuals, offer fixed premiums.

If the government stopped discriminating against individual ownership of health insurance, instead of favoring employer ownership, health insurers would be able and motivated to offer insurance policies that guaranteed long-term premium increases no greater than the increase in overall medical costs. Unfortunately, because the median individual health-insurance policy only lasts for three years, people like yourself, who have had individual insurance for over a decade, lose the benefits of long-term risk pooling.

The reality is, what Obama is proposing is only going to drive her costs up even more, assuming her business generates an acceptable level of income in the first place. That's precisely what happened after the implementation of universal coverage in Massachusetts. But Obama knows he can't get his way based upon the facts. Misleading the public and playing on their heart strings is the only way he can sell his bad bill. Kill the bill and perhaps even save the Natoma Canfield's of the world from the even higher costs they will see under Obama Care - if we could enact some prudent reforms before getting the government out of the way. That's the compassionate thing to do, along with the truth.

Just a year after the universal coverage law passed, The New York Times reported, state insurers were already jacking up rates to twice the national average. According to Dr. Paul Hsieh, a physician and founding member of Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine, 43 mandatory benefits — including those that many people did not want or need, such as invitro fertilization — raised the costs of coverage for Massachusetts residents by as much as 56 percent, depending upon an individual’s income status. So much for “affordable” health care.


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this would be true but only with a bunch of other laws restricting rescission, pre-existing conditions, etc...
we can ingore the fact that insurance companies exist to make money and not to provide health care
Those two things are mutually exclusive no one is stopping you from moving.  Personally, I've purchased private health insurance since the month after I got out of college and was off my parents plan and I have no intentions of dropping my health insurance so nothing will change for me Elections aren't bottom up enough for you?

Why would I move? I have constitution on my side. Perhaps since you want a government take over of everything you should move to country more in line with your servile attitude.

We also can't ignore the fact that the government that you trust so much gave us the HMO(Health Maintenance Organization) that you despise so.
Why should there be laws restricting pre-existing conditions etc? Hate the break the news to you but not everyone gets to live a long, boring, uneventful life.

No elections bottom up are not enough for me, simply being elected does not mean you can go to DC and just do whatever you feel like.
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Why would I move? I have constitution on my side. Perhaps since you want a government take over of everything you should move to country more in line with your servile attitude.

We also can't ignore the fact that the government that you trust so much gave us the HMO(Health Maintenance Organization) that you despise so.
Why should there be laws restricting pre-existing conditions etc? Hate the break the news to you but not everyone gets to live a long, boring, uneventful life.

No elections bottom up are not enough for me, simply being elected does not mean you can go to DC and just do whatever you feel like.
I'm probably more on your side than you think

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where they say a Corporation = a human being but we've got that now too

If elections are not bottom up enough for you then how to you proopose to change the structure of our government and don't forget we have to deal with guys like this


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I'm probably more on your side than you think

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where they say a Corporation = a human being but we've got that now too

If elections are not bottom up enough for you then how to you proopose to change the structure of our government and don't forget we have to deal with guys like this



It doesn't, and like I have said many times, the constitution has been slowly erroded by our elected officials. It doesn't happen all at once but over decades if need be, but we have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing it to happen.

The constitution doesn't give you rights it restricts how the government interacts with those rights that you already posses, we have let the politicians make the rules and we don't call them on it when they step over the line.

True leaders don't run for office anymore, power hungry sociopaths do, and that is why we are in the situtation we are now
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It doesn't, and like I have said many times, the constitution has been slowly erroded by our elected officials. It doesn't happen all at once but over decades if need be, but we have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing it to happen.

The constitution doesn't give you rights it restricts how the government interacts with those rights that you already posses, we have let the politicians make the rules and we don't call them on it when they step over the line.

True leaders don't run for office anymore, power hungry sociopaths do, and that is why we are in the situtation we are now

Sadly, I think this statement is true for the majority of people in office.
Congress was never supposed to be a permanent or lifetime job. 
We need term limits and campaign finance reform but how many of these "lifers" are going to vote for that?

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Sadly, I think this statement is true for the majority of people in office.
Congress was never supposed to be a permanent or lifetime job. 
We need term limits and campaign finance reform but how many of these "lifers" are going to vote for that?

Damn Straw - you are only down to being wrong 93% of the time.   ;D  ;D

All kidding aside, i agree with you 100%.  3-5 Terms in the House of Reps. 2 Terms in the Senate. 

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Damn Straw - you are only down to being wrong 93% of the time.   ;D  ;D

All kidding aside, i agree with you 100%.  3-5 Terms in the House of Reps. 2 Terms in the Senate. 

I guess you have intermittent periods of sanity ~ 7% of the time

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I guess you have intermittent periods of sanity ~ 7% of the time

Ha ha ha!!!!  Thats why I like Get Big over all the other sites.  At the end of the day we can joke, attack, and laugh at each other and still debate things.