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CNN - Ditched by your doctor - blame Medicare.
« on: March 16, 2010, 07:37:24 AM »
Ditched by your doctor - blame Medicare
By Parija Kavilanz, senior writerMarch 2, 2010: 11:36 AM ET



NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- As a 21% cut in Medicare payment rates to doctors took effect Monday, eight of the 15 patients on Dr. William Schreiber's schedule are on Medicare.

"I'm stuck," he said.

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"I have to see them. I don't have a choice" said Schreiber, a primary care physician based in North Syracuse, N.Y. "It's not a case of closing my doors to Medicare to get back at someone for cutting my salary. It's a case of economic survival."

Shreiber's eight patients are lucky, for now. Many doctors around the country are either not accepting new Medicare patients or dropping their Medicare patients altogether.

Physicians say they are shunning Medicare because they are tired of dealing with the yearly threat of a payment cut under federal law requiring that reimbursement rates be adjusted annually based on a formula tied to the health of the economy.

Patient advocacy groups say this growing doctor boycott against Medicare is a big concern to senior citizens. Some 43 million Americans currently receive Medicare coverage.

"There's no question that a long-term solution to this situation is needed," said Marc Steinberg, deputy director of health policy with patient advocacy group Families USA. "The system that's in place doesn't create the stability that you want in a rational heath care system."

The AARP, the largest membership organization for people 50 and older, said a physicians' Medicare boycott is top-of-mind for its nearly 38 million members.

"From our perspective, the uncertainty about how much Medicare will pay doctors every year is contributing to doctors not taking new Medicare patients," said David Allen, spokesman for the AARP.

"You already have a hard time finding a doctor if you are on Medicare," said Allen. "Can you imagine the difficulty if your doctor drops you and you have to find a new one?"

Especially threatened by this backlash are baby boomers on the cusp of becoming Medicare-eligible, said Allen.

Another 7 million Americans will become Medicare eligible over the next five years, according to the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).

"You have to replace this current [Medicare reimbursement] formula," said Allen. "It's flawed. You need a system that pays doctors fairly."

Until that happens, doctors say Medicare beneficiaries should prepare themselves in case they find themselves shut out.

Doctors and other health experts say there are things patients and their families can do in the event their doctor opts out of Medicare.

Ask for referrals: Doctors who drop Medicare patients typically have to give sufficient notice to their patients -- typically four weeks -- that they are changing their policies.

Also, it's good practice for doctors to provide patients with references for other doctors who are taking new Medicare patients, said Dr. Lori Heim, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP).

Heim said patients can certainly ask their doctors for referrals as well as for lists of government or other medical groups in their state.

Also, get a copy of your entire medical record. Some practices can charge 75 cents per page of your record.

But doctors are not legally allowed to withhold the records if you can't pay the charge, according to Joel Greenberg, health law expert with the firm of Abrams, Fensterman, Fensterman, Eisman, Greenberg, Formato & Einiger, LLP.

Be aware of "patient abandonment" laws: This applies not just to Medicare patients. Greenberg said most state licensing laws say it is unprofessional conduct to just "abandon" a patient without sufficient notice.

"Abandonment means a physician terminates the treatment of a patient without adequate time for the patient to transition care to another appropriate physician," said Greenberg.

Further, Heim said abandonment is applicable to a patient who has seen the doctor just once or repeatedly. If a doctor is found to have abandoned a patient, then the state can either suspend or revoke a doctor's license, said Greenberg.

Access urgent care centers: These are typically free-standing health clinics or associated with a hospital.

"These may be a good stop-gap option for Medicare beneficiaries who have lost their doctors until they find another," said Heim. However, she said these centers should primarily be used for urgent care, since they are not set up to develop an ongoing relationship between doctor and patient.

Use of emergency rooms: For an emergency, go to an ER. "But this is not where you go to get your blood pressure checked and managed," Heim said.

Schreiber warned that as more doctors stop taking Medicare, it will "inevitably lead to an abuse of the ER."

Retail clinics: These are clinics in stores such as CVS (CVS, Fortune 500) and Walgreens (WAG, Fortune 500).

"We don't advise these for anything other than simple acute problems such as a sore throat," said Heim. "These clinics are not for treatment of chronic issues that elderly patients face."

Pay out of pocket. Most patients don't want to lose their doctor, so they will try to pay out of pocket, experts said. But this option is complicated, said Schreiber.

"If I have decided not to take any Medicare patient, I can't also knowingly take a new patient who I suspect is on Medicare but is willing to pay out of pocket," he said.

Despite the loss in income, Schreiber said he will continue to see Medicare patients for now, since they account for 30% of his business.

"My biggest advice to all my patients is contact your Congressman to fix this problem, soon," he said.

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Ha ha, and you suckers think cutting out $500 Billion more from Medicare while adding 30 million patients is going to improve care? 


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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 03:04:23 PM »
It'll only get worse. I live near Syracuse.

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 03:54:35 PM »
so what is the solution?

When the govt tries to create an economic deterrant to consuming things which destroy health and drive up healthcare costs, such as sin taxes on fatty foods, cigs or beer, it's bad because the govt is trying to tell us how to live our lives.

When the govt does nothing, like for the last 8 years, rates skyrocket and so do their profits.

What is your solution, 333386?  Keep in mind your potential current answer of "do nothing" might work when you're 33 and healthy with no kids... but when you have 3 rugrats or youy're 50, you might see it differently.

I'm not saying obama's plan is the solution.  But I am saying that something needs to be done with the situation.  I'm all for taxing the shit out of things that bring down overall national health. 

I just don't konw what the solution is.  It's not the obama plan.  But its not the repub plan of 12 years of 'do nothing'.

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 04:09:14 PM »
so what is the solution?

When the govt tries to create an economic deterrant to consuming things which destroy health and drive up healthcare costs, such as sin taxes on fatty foods, cigs or beer, it's bad because the govt is trying to tell us how to live our lives.

When the govt does nothing, like for the last 8 years, rates skyrocket and so do their profits.

What is your solution, 333386?  Keep in mind your potential current answer of "do nothing" might work when you're 33 and healthy with no kids... but when you have 3 rugrats or youy're 50, you might see it differently.

I'm not saying obama's plan is the solution.  But I am saying that something needs to be done with the situation.  I'm all for taxing the shit out of things that bring down overall national health. 

I just don't konw what the solution is.  It's not the obama plan.  But its not the repub plan of 12 years of 'do nothing'.

Solution?! There isn't one but here are some ideas:

A mix of both plans.

Tort reform to lower malpractice costs.

Simplify the paperwork and throw HIPPA in the trash.

Allow private practice doctors to take X number of national healthcare patients with capitated fees and tax credits.

Continue paying student loans for doctors willing to work in poorer areas.

Revise the fee schedule for family practice and internal medicine.

Allow doctors to do hours at community clinics for student loan forgiveness or discounted fees.

Just a start but more people would have access.

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 04:29:09 PM »
so what is the solution?

When the govt tries to create an economic deterrant to consuming things which destroy health and drive up healthcare costs, such as sin taxes on fatty foods, cigs or beer, it's bad because the govt is trying to tell us how to live our lives.

When the govt does nothing, like for the last 8 years, rates skyrocket and so do their profits.

What is your solution, 333386?  Keep in mind your potential current answer of "do nothing" might work when you're 33 and healthy with no kids... but when you have 3 rugrats or youy're 50, you might see it differently.

I'm not saying obama's plan is the solution.  But I am saying that something needs to be done with the situation.  I'm all for taxing the shit out of things that bring down overall national health. 

I just don't konw what the solution is.  It's not the obama plan.  But its not the repub plan of 12 years of 'do nothing'.

First off, tort reform and second taxing anything does not b ring down the cost.  I though as a libertarian and MBA holder you would know that. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 04:38:29 PM »
LOL @ 'tort reform'... that is the standard FOX answer and will cover about 2% of what we need.

I disagree.  I think if many of the items that cause early health problems were taxed so that the poorest (those without healthcare) couldn't afford them, the nation's healthcare costs as a whole would go down.

If cigs were 30 bucks a pack, Rush limbaugh and Obama would still be able to afford them - and they can afford their own health care.  But the average Joe Unemployed on the corner with no job or insurance, who is currently puffing on a Newport, would'nt be able to afford them.

If you can't afford to pay the costs YOURSELF, you shouldn't have easy financial access to the item.  That's what I'm saying.  Yes, that fatass lady with no jobs buying Cheetos with food stamps in front of me in line makes me sick - she's not at work, she's using state money to buy unhealthy shit that will cause her to be diabetic at 37 and using more of my tax dollars for the next 30 years of her life.  See what I'm saying?

Heck, you should only be alowed to buy lean meats and produce with food stamps, too!

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 04:43:12 PM »
First off, tort reform and second taxing anything does not b ring down the cost.  I though as a libertarian and MBA holder you would know that. 

I think people don't understand the effects tort reform would have on healthcare costs. Some specialties pay $100K month, FFS.

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 04:43:59 PM »
LOL @ 'tort reform'... that is the standard FOX answer and will cover about 2% of what we need.

I disagree.  I think if many of the items that cause early health problems were taxed so that the poorest (those without healthcare) couldn't afford them, the nation's healthcare costs as a whole would go down.

If cigs were 30 bucks a pack, Rush limbaugh and Obama would still be able to afford them - and they can afford their own health care.  But the average Joe Unemployed on the corner with no job or insurance, who is currently puffing on a Newport, would'nt be able to afford them.

If you can't afford to pay the costs YOURSELF, you shouldn't have easy financial access to the item.  That's what I'm saying.  Yes, that fatass lady with no jobs buying Cheetos with food stamps in front of me in line makes me sick - she's not at work, she's using state money to buy unhealthy shit that will cause her to be diabetic at 37 and using more of my tax dollars for the next 30 years of her life.  See what I'm saying?

Heck, you should only be alowed to buy lean meats and produce with food stamps, too!

What about the savings to SS and medicare for these people dying off early?  

I thought as a libertarian you understood that economics does not occur in a vacuum?

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 04:45:46 PM »
I think people don't understand the effects tort reform would have on healthcare costs. Some specialties pay $100K month, FFS.

Its not only the cost of the malpractice insurance, but the savings from defensive medicine practices to CYA and cover your ass from law suits. 

The hysterical part is that as tech gets better, people demand more and more and docs have to order all these tests just to CYA and then have to account later on if they dont. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 04:55:10 PM »
"What about the savings to SS and medicare for these people dying off early?  "

Really?  An obese woman who spends 40 years on diabetic meds and surgery costs less than the average american who works until 65 then dies at 72 as per average?

Are you even including all those fat bastards who get EARLY social security cause they have heart attacks at 40?

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 05:01:29 PM »
"What about the savings to SS and medicare for these people dying off early?  "

Really?  An obese woman who spends 40 years on diabetic meds and surgery costs less than the average american who works until 65 then dies at 72 as per average?

Are you even including all those fat bastards who get EARLY social security cause they have heart attacks at 40?

So you prefer a police state to monitor your diet and daily activities? 

I personally favor letting these people die or pay their own way. 

If the want to smoke and drink, thats fine by me, just dont pick my pocket later on. 

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 05:04:57 PM »
I'd love to see anyone here take a 20% pay cut and smile.

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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 05:13:25 PM »
I'd love to see anyone here take a 20% pay cut and smile.

Everyone wants doctors to work for free Kaje.  Its freaking BS.

These cheap bastards pay for xbox cell phones car leases cable and complain about health insurance. 


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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 05:23:18 PM »
Everyone wants doctors to work for free Kaje.  Its freaking BS.

These cheap bastards pay for xbox cell phones car leases cable and complain about health insurance. 



You forgot cigarettes, Timberlands, beer & bling.

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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 05:41:41 PM »
"So you prefer a police state to monitor your diet and daily activities? 
I personally favor letting these people die or pay their own way. 
If the want to smoke and drink, thats fine by me, just dont pick my pocket later on. 


It's not a "police state".

it is merely "The price of a good being more representative of the TRUE cost to society."

The fact of the matter is, those who smoke and drink are ALREADY picking your pocket.  instead of being healthy til age 65, retiring, and living 7 years on social security before dying on average, they are instead filling up doctors office from age 35 to 55 or more, at far greater cost to you, and society.

I'm sure there are some numbers out there showing the long-term healthcare costs to society of overweight smokers/drinkers versus healthy people.  Can anyone find it?

33, I think you're in denial that the obese diabetic moron in front of you in line at Walmart buying pork rinds with Food stamps and beer/cigs with Social security money on the way to the pain mgmt clinic for more oxycodone, is *already* digging into your pocket.

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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2010, 06:21:36 PM »
"So you prefer a police state to monitor your diet and daily activities? 
I personally favor letting these people die or pay their own way. 
If the want to smoke and drink, thats fine by me, just dont pick my pocket later on. 


It's not a "police state".

it is merely "The price of a good being more representative of the TRUE cost to society."

The fact of the matter is, those who smoke and drink are ALREADY picking your pocket.  instead of being healthy til age 65, retiring, and living 7 years on social security before dying on average, they are instead filling up doctors office from age 35 to 55 or more, at far greater cost to you, and society.

I'm sure there are some numbers out there showing the long-term healthcare costs to society of overweight smokers/drinkers versus healthy people.  Can anyone find it?

33, I think you're in denial that the obese diabetic moron in front of you in line at Walmart buying pork rinds with Food stamps and beer/cigs with Social security money on the way to the pain mgmt clinic for more oxycodone, is *already* digging into your pocket.

You have lost your mind, you never let the government dictate things like this.

You want it fixed you get the government out of it, they only do what the constitution mandates they do .
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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 06:36:21 PM »
Personally, the most fair thing would be NOT to take care of the 35-year old obese diabetic drunk idiots who abuse their bodies, enjoy free health care.

But as long as you're going to be paying for their self-abuse, why not limit their ability to obtain the shit that makes them diabetic and disgusting?

Personally, I think welfare recipients should only be able to get health food, should be drug, alcohol tested and should be picking up garbage 20 hours a week.  Diabetics and fatties should have other restrictions.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 07:00:09 PM »
Personally, the most fair thing would be NOT to take care of the 35-year old obese diabetic drunk idiots who abuse their bodies, enjoy free health care.

But as long as you're going to be paying for their self-abuse, why not limit their ability to obtain the shit that makes them diabetic and disgusting?

Personally, I think welfare recipients should only be able to get health food, should be drug, alcohol tested and should be picking up garbage 20 hours a week.  Diabetics and fatties should have other restrictions.

MAking people work for welfare is illegal in some states.

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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 07:04:55 PM »

'MAking people work for welfare is illegal in some states.'


Change the law.  Lord knows obama is changing enough other laws!

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 07:26:42 PM »
So you prefer a police state to monitor your diet and daily activities? 

I personally favor letting these people die or pay their own way. 

If the want to smoke and drink, thats fine by me, just dont pick my pocket later on. 

You already have a police state dictating what drugs (read illegal/recreational) you can or cannot put in your body - this is really a logical extension.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2010, 08:17:24 PM »
Personally, the most fair thing would be NOT to take care of the 35-year old obese diabetic drunk idiots who abuse their bodies, enjoy free health care.

But as long as you're going to be paying for their self-abuse, why not limit their ability to obtain the shit that makes them diabetic and disgusting?

Personally, I think welfare recipients should only be able to get health food, should be drug, alcohol tested and should be picking up garbage 20 hours a week.  Diabetics and fatties should have other restrictions.

Well you take away the federal government taxing you and enabling those life styles, guess what happens? Those that abuse themselves can either pay for their own healtcare or die.

How many people on welfare actually need to be on welfare? 5%, 10%? Most are able bodied and could work if they wanted to.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2010, 08:21:41 PM »
yeah, I know SO many people who are on social security, welfare, food stamps, etc, who don't fvcking deserve it. 

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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »
yeah, I know SO many people who are on social security, welfare, food stamps, etc, who don't fvcking deserve it. 


And that is exactly why we are in the situation we are, welfare was supposed to be a handup not a hand out, but as you can see it has become a lifestyle for some. You see generation after generation of people making a living that way.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2010, 08:28:37 PM »
are other countries like this?  A whole 'entitlement generation'?

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2010, 08:31:36 PM »
are other countries like this?  A whole 'entitlement generation'?

I don't know for sure, but what experience I have dealing with other countries is with jobs. It is extremely difficult if not damn near impossible to fire/layoff anyone in Europe. Shit half the time they get atleast a years salary out of the deal.
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