About the comment about Stan talking bad to the pros about juice, I don't recall Stan ever saying that, it doesn't seem like him. At that time Stan was stating he was natural and wanted to bring bodybuilding to the mainstream to appeal more to people! I don't think Stan really cares about becoming a mass monster. He's doing the smart thing, marketing himself, getting an endorsement with Prolab and is a crowd favorite among the NPC. Overall I think he has a pleasing physique, certainly better then 90% of the population, but for being competitive in today's standards he needs more mass. But I would definitely rather have his physique then Ronnie or Jays. Just my opinion.