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« on: April 02, 2010, 10:58:00 AM »
1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. B.J. Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Dan Henderson
10. Dominick Cruz

I don't agree with many of these, like Cruz at 10 or Mousasi at 8, but overall it's pretty good.
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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 11:30:53 AM »
WTF...Cruz??? That is ridiculous! Mousasi is debatable. Fedor at #3 is debatable as well ;D




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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 11:59:13 AM »
1-5 I agree with but where is Nick Diaz? I put him @ 5th.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 12:32:25 PM »
1-5 I agree with but where is Nick Diaz? I put him @ 5th.

LOL..you're joking right  ???
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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 08:12:36 AM »
I don't even know what P4P means anymore. You either can kick someone's ass or not. It is still just theoretical.

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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 10:26:03 AM »
[color=red]The Goal: to recognize the very best MMA athletes in each weight division, without regard to promotional affiliation.
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Arrows indicate whether a fighter has moved up ()
or down () since the previous month's rankings.
 


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WAMMA MEN's RANKINGS
November, 2009


Heavyweight

WAMMA Undisputed Heavyweight Champion
Fedor Emelianenko
1     Brock Lesnar
2     Frank Mir
3     Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4     Shane Carwin
5     Alistair Overeem
6     Randy Couture
7     Junior Dos Santos
8     Brett Rogers
9     Cain Velasquez
10     Fabricio Werdum
Also Receiving Votes     Andrei Arlovski
    Ben Rothwell
    Gabriel Gonzaga


Light Heavyweight
1     Lyoto Machida
2     Mauricio Rua
3     Rashad Evans
4     Gergard Mousasi
5     Quinton Jackson
6     Anderson Silva
7     Forrest Griffin
8 (tie)     Thiago Silva
8 (tie)     Rich Franklin
10     Chuck Liddell
Also Receiving Votes     Keith Jardine
    Antonio Rogerio Noguiera
    Wanderlei Silva
    Luiz Cane


Middleweight
1     Anderson Silva
2 (tie)     Dan Henderson
2 (tie)     Nathan Marquardt
4     Vitor Belfort
5     Yushin Okami
6     Demian Maia
7     Robbie Lawler
8     Jorge Santiago
9     Jake Shields
10     Yoshihiro Akiyama
Also Receiving Votes     Chael Sonnen


Welterweight
1     Georges St. Pierre
2     Jon Fitch
3     Thiago Alves
4     Jake Shields
5     Josh Koscheck
6     Matt Hughes
7     Mike Swick
8     Paul Thiago
9     Matt Serra
10     Carlos Condit
Also Receiving Votes     Paul Daley
    Martin Kampmann
    Nick Diaz
    Karo Parisyn


Lightweight

WAMMA Undisputed Lightweight Champion
Shinya Aoki
1     B.J.Penn
2     Eddie Alvarez
3     Diego Sanchez
4     Tatsuya Kawajiri
5 (tie)     Frankie Edgar  
5 (tie)     Ken Florian
7     Joachim Hansen
8     Gray Maynard
9     Sean Sherk
10     Gesias Calvancate
Also Receiving Votes     Tyson Griffin
    Mizuto Hirota


Featherweight
1     Mike Thomas Brown
2     Urijah Faber
3     Jose Aldo
4     Hatsu Hioki
5     Wagnney Fabiano
6     Takeshi Inoue
7     Leonard Garcia
8     Bibiano Fernandes
9     Rafael Assuncao
10     Masakazu Imanari
Also Receiving Votes     Joe Warren
    Norifumi Yamamoto
    Diego Nunes


Bantamweight
1     Brian Bowles
2     Miguel Torres
3     Masakatsu Ueda
4     Takeya Mizugaki
5     Dominick Cruz
6     Joseph Benavidez
7     Akitoshi Tamura
8     Damacio Page
9     Will Ribeiro
10     Jeff Curran
Also Receiving Votes     Rani Yahya
    Manny Tapia


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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2010, 11:05:42 AM »
[color=red]The Goal: to recognize the very best MMA athletes in each weight division, without regard to promotional affiliation.
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Arrows indicate whether a fighter has moved up ()
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WAMMA MEN's RANKINGS
November, 2009


Heavyweight

WAMMA Undisputed Heavyweight Champion
Fedor Emelianenko
1     Brock Lesnar
2     Frank Mir
3     Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4     Shane Carwin
5     Alistair Overeem
6     Randy Couture
7     Junior Dos Santos
8     Brett Rogers
9     Cain Velasquez
10     Fabricio Werdum
Also Receiving Votes     Andrei Arlovski
    Ben Rothwell
    Gabriel Gonzaga


Light Heavyweight
1     Lyoto Machida
2     Mauricio Rua
3     Rashad Evans
4     Gergard Mousasi
5     Quinton Jackson
6     Anderson Silva
7     Forrest Griffin
8 (tie)     Thiago Silva
8 (tie)     Rich Franklin
10     Chuck Liddell
Also Receiving Votes     Keith Jardine
    Antonio Rogerio Noguiera
    Wanderlei Silva
    Luiz Cane


Middleweight
1     Anderson Silva
2 (tie)     Dan Henderson
2 (tie)     Nathan Marquardt
4     Vitor Belfort
5     Yushin Okami
6     Demian Maia
7     Robbie Lawler
8     Jorge Santiago
9     Jake Shields
10     Yoshihiro Akiyama
Also Receiving Votes     Chael Sonnen


Welterweight
1     Georges St. Pierre
2     Jon Fitch
3     Thiago Alves
4     Jake Shields
5     Josh Koscheck
6     Matt Hughes
7     Mike Swick
8     Paul Thiago
9     Matt Serra
10     Carlos Condit
Also Receiving Votes     Paul Daley
    Martin Kampmann
    Nick Diaz
    Karo Parisyn


Lightweight

WAMMA Undisputed Lightweight Champion
Shinya Aoki
1     B.J.Penn
2     Eddie Alvarez
3     Diego Sanchez
4     Tatsuya Kawajiri
5 (tie)     Frankie Edgar  
5 (tie)     Ken Florian
7     Joachim Hansen
8     Gray Maynard
9     Sean Sherk
10     Gesias Calvancate
Also Receiving Votes     Tyson Griffin
    Mizuto Hirota


Featherweight
1     Mike Thomas Brown
2     Urijah Faber
3     Jose Aldo
4     Hatsu Hioki
5     Wagnney Fabiano
6     Takeshi Inoue
7     Leonard Garcia
8     Bibiano Fernandes
9     Rafael Assuncao
10     Masakazu Imanari
Also Receiving Votes     Joe Warren
    Norifumi Yamamoto
    Diego Nunes


Bantamweight
1     Brian Bowles
2     Miguel Torres
3     Masakatsu Ueda
4     Takeya Mizugaki
5     Dominick Cruz
6     Joseph Benavidez
7     Akitoshi Tamura
8     Damacio Page
9     Will Ribeiro
10     Jeff Curran
Also Receiving Votes     Rani Yahya
    Manny Tapia



November 2009??? Besides these rankings are always subjective.

All MMA fans just want to see Fedor fight better talent. Werdum is hardly an opponent to challenge a #1 ranked HW.

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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 04:51:21 PM »
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the ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 05:43:47 PM »
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the ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...

Agreed. I have to imagine that Brett Rogers would beat Mir and he was considered their second best heavyweight up until a week ago.

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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 06:14:28 PM »
1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. B.J. Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Dan Henderson
10. Dominick Cruz

I don't agree with many of these, like Cruz at 10 or Mousasi at 8, but overall it's pretty good.

i hate B.J. Penn.....but he deserves to be top five....

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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2010, 09:02:07 PM »
Agreed. I have to imagine that Brett Rogers would beat Mir and he was considered their second best heavyweight up until a week ago.

So do you think Werdum is the next best HW besides Fedor? Do you think fighting Werdum is really enough for Fedor to maintain his #1 status?

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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 08:41:16 AM »
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the ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...
According to that list, 7 of the top 10 HW fighters are in the UFC, so if that list is accurate about Fedor being #1, then it must mean that the UFC has the best HW division of all fight orgs. :o
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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2010, 09:03:22 AM »
Werdum is hardly an opponent to challenge a #1 ranked HW.

and yet had he not lost to dos santos(just last year) he would have been next in line to challenge for the UFC HW title....
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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 09:14:21 AM »

An Attempt to Counter the Indoctrination of the Misinformed
by Convectuoso



Top competition.

The best in the world.

You’ve heard it. I’ve heard it. We’ve all heard it before; the wild catcalls heaped on the feet of the fighters competing outside of what is regarded as the premier organization in mixed martial arts. In a nutshell, top competition for some has become the not-so-distant cousin of ice cream—everyone’s apparently screaming for it.


Listen close, brothers and sisters, because I’m here today to tell you that we don’t have to deal in absolutes. It doesn’t have to be this way. The world of mixed martial arts does not have to be an old silent flicker show—there’s color, there’s static, and it is wonderful. Too many fans of this sport seem to attach themselves wholly to the idea that one certain organization is where all the best in the sport go to prove themselves.

In other words, many fans are playing by what I like to refer to as “Lord of the Rings rules”: One org. to rule them all.

The problem here, however, is that while the Ultimate Fighting Championship certainly does possess a good number of elite fighters, they do not hold the rights to all elite fighters around the globe. When you take a look at how well the UFC has managed to market itself and its product, it’s easy to see why so many believe that all the “top competition” is found within their company.

Don’t be fooled.

Do they have elite fighters? Yes. Are they the strongest/most promotional promotion around? Yes. Do they have the highest number of elite fighters on their roster? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with any of this? Not at all.

I do, however, have a problem with the idea that well-known fighters outside of the promotion simply do not have the skill-sets necessary to match-up favorably with their counterparts inside of the UFC. The biggest and most obvious example of this can be found in the form of the sport’s heavyweight division.

Much has been said about Fedor Emelianenko’s competition, strength-of-schedule, physique, religion, favorite breakfast cereal, receding hairline, etc. You name it and someone has likely spoken exhaustively about the subject. Don’t worry, I’m not here to talk about Emelianenko’s status or offer some apologist fare—the highly-touted heavyweight is merely a footnote here.

One of the most popular arguments used against the heavyweight is one that deals with the location of the elite fighters in his respective weight class. A large percentage of individuals are under the impression that the vast majority of these fighters are inside of the UFC, and their counterparts pale in comparison. For the most part, any talk of skill, record and actual accomplishments inside of the sport is regularly tossed out in favor of the more, um, “substantial” talk of brand recognition.

Shane Carwin is one such name that is bandied about whenever the subject of Emelianenko and (here’s that term again) top competition is broached. On the flipside, Fabricio Werdum—Fedor’s next opponent—is a heavyweight fighter that finds himself routinely panned and subsequently dubbed little more than additional padding for Emelianenko’s record. The problem with this sort of talk is that a simple examination of a fighter’s record—in this case, Werdum—and even a quick viewing of some of the fighter’s former bouts will expose this very line of thinking as nothing more than a foul chimera.

This sort of mentality is the very thing that people need to discard because it is toxic.

It is a cancer.

Pull that curtain back and see what’s really at play here.

A quick look at the records of both fighters shows a stunning disparity in terms of quality opponents. The list of notable opponents that Werdum has faced is as follows:

- Aleksander Emelianenko
- Andrei Arlovski
- Sergei Kharitonov
- Alistair Overeem
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
- Gabriel Gonzaga (twice)
- Brandon Vera
- Antonio Silva
- Junior Dos Santos

What about Carwin? His list is as follows:

- Gabriel Gonzaga
-(Mir)

I know it must seem to some that I’m attempting to discredit Carwin, but I must say that if offering a simple list of a fighter’s notable bouts is all it takes to “discredit” a fighter, well, something is amiss. Did Werdum win every one of those fights? No. He actually went 6-4, but only a single loss was a stoppage with the rest coming by way of decision. A mark that isn’t too shabby when considering the names listed.

The point of all this is that Carwin has yet to face the amount of elite fighters Werdum has encountered. So why is it that he’s viewed as a more appropriate test for Emelianenko when it’s abundantly clear he’s yet to accomplish anywhere near as much as Werdum?

It’s easy: brand recognition.

Many have largely accepted the propaganda churned out by the UFC. We have the best; they don’t. The truth, however, is much closer to: We have a lot of the best fighters in the world, but there are other fighters, in certain weight classes (namely heavyweight and lightweight) outside of our promotion, that are just as talented as many of our best.

Not quite as catchy, though.

Is this a problem? No. A company is expected to promote itself and its product as the best around. The real problem is that consumers are so unwilling to set aside branding in order to make a true comparison of the products offered by rival companies.


Now, in the case of perishable food items (soft drinks, for example), this can be tricky since taste can be a hell of a thing. It’s largely subjective and has the potential to change drastically from person-to-person. The same problem, however, is absent inside of mixed martial arts. The main products—if we put aside production value, etc.—here are the fighters themselves. Their records and performance against other fighters should serve as the true “taste test”.

Top competition should mean more than fighters housed within the largest promotion in the world. A fighter’s worth should be determined by more than the brand on his/her back and the dogmatic marketing of the company he/she belongs to.

Top competition.

The best in the world.

It’s time to wake up, folks.

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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 09:19:25 AM »
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Do they have elite fighters? Yes. Are they the strongest/most promotional promotion around? Yes. Do they have the highest number of elite fighters on their roster? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with any of this? Not at all.

So the author of this is also claiming that the UFC has the best HW division of all orgs. Thanks for the reaffirmation.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 09:23:22 AM »
So the author of this is also claiming that the UFC has the best HW division of all orgs. Thanks for the reaffirmation.

He wasn't referring to the HW's he was referring to the UFC roster as a whole...
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 09:24:58 AM »
So the author of this is also claiming that the UFC has the best HW division of all orgs. Thanks for the reaffirmation.

also...(not surprisingly) you are feeding right in to what the article is really about...
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 09:29:33 AM »
also...(not surprisingly) you are feeding right in to what the article is really about...
Did you read what I quoted? He specifically says the UFC has the "highest number of elite fighters"
that makes them the Elite organization, the top dog, the best, the one to beat, al other orgs are #2. The article you posted says so.

I just enjoy good fights, from an unbiased point of view. :)
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2010, 10:08:44 AM »
Did you read what I quoted? He specifically says the UFC has the "highest number of elite fighters"
that makes them the Elite organization, the top dog, the best, the one to beat, al other orgs are #2. The article you posted says so.



yes and then you changed it to the UFC has the best HW's which was never said...

anyone with a brain knows the UFC is the top dog I'm not aware of anyone arguing to the contrary...I see the mentality he is referring to if thats all you got from the article.....

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2010, 10:20:08 AM »
yes and then you changed it to the UFC has the best HW's which was never said...

anyone with a brain knows the UFC is the top dog I'm not aware of anyone arguing to the contrary...I see the mentality he is referring to if thats all you got from the article.....


All he did was state common sense, big deal. You were trying to use the article in an attempt to dog the UFC in saying that there are fighters outside of the UFC that are good, but the article you posted clearly states the UFC has the most elite fighters, therefore UFC = the best. :)
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2010, 10:40:06 AM »
All he did was state common sense, big deal. You were trying to use the article in an attempt to dog the UFC in saying that there are fighters outside of the UFC that are good, but the article you posted clearly states the UFC has the most elite fighters, therefore UFC = the best. :)

yea OK...I attempted to dog the UFC?I haven't missed a single UFC event in over three years.Why would I "dog"them...like I said I see the mentality we are dealing with and am reminded why I discuss such things on real MMA forums...I love getbig but there are very few MMA fans on here...just UFC/Dana butt boys for the most part...
I'll stick with being a fan of MMA & let others stick with being UFC fans that make juvenile arguments...
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 11:36:05 AM »
yea OK...I attempted to dog the UFC?I haven't missed a single UFC event in over three years.Why would I "dog"them...like I said I see the mentality we are dealing with and am reminded why I discuss such things on real MMA forums...I love getbig but there are very few MMA fans on here...just UFC/Dana butt boys for the most part...
I'll stick with being a fan of MMA & let others stick with being UFC fans that make juvenile arguments...
"juvenile arguments"? It was a quote from the article you posted.......lol

You can't have it both ways.....well, from what I hear, maybe you do. :-\
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 12:16:00 PM »
"juvenile arguments"? It was a quote from the article you posted.......lol

You can't have it both ways.....well, from what I hear, maybe you do. :-\

I really don't know what your even talkin about...once again No one has stated the UFC is not the top dog in regards to MMA...your whole UFC= best is quit juvenile and I'm not even sure what your stating other than that over and over again...Like I said you completely mis quoted the article in regards to HW's then you take one or two sentences from the entire article and run with them disregarding the overall point the piece makes...
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2010, 12:48:13 PM »
An Attempt to Counter the Indoctrination of the Misinformed
by Convectuoso



Top competition.

The best in the world.

You’ve heard it. I’ve heard it. We’ve all heard it before; the wild catcalls heaped on the feet of the fighters competing outside of what is regarded as the premier organization in mixed martial arts. In a nutshell, top competition for some has become the not-so-distant cousin of ice cream—everyone’s apparently screaming for it.


Listen close, brothers and sisters, because I’m here today to tell you that we don’t have to deal in absolutes. It doesn’t have to be this way. The world of mixed martial arts does not have to be an old silent flicker show—there’s color, there’s static, and it is wonderful. Too many fans of this sport seem to attach themselves wholly to the idea that one certain organization is where all the best in the sport go to prove themselves.

In other words, many fans are playing by what I like to refer to as “Lord of the Rings rules”: One org. to rule them all.

The problem here, however, is that while the Ultimate Fighting Championship certainly does possess a good number of elite fighters, they do not hold the rights to all elite fighters around the globe. When you take a look at how well the UFC has managed to market itself and its product, it’s easy to see why so many believe that all the “top competition” is found within their company.

Don’t be fooled.

Do they have elite fighters? Yes. Are they the strongest/most promotional promotion around? Yes. Do they have the highest number of elite fighters on their roster? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with any of this? Not at all.

I do, however, have a problem with the idea that well-known fighters outside of the promotion simply do not have the skill-sets necessary to match-up favorably with their counterparts inside of the UFC. The biggest and most obvious example of this can be found in the form of the sport’s heavyweight division.

Much has been said about Fedor Emelianenko’s competition, strength-of-schedule, physique, religion, favorite breakfast cereal, receding hairline, etc. You name it and someone has likely spoken exhaustively about the subject. Don’t worry, I’m not here to talk about Emelianenko’s status or offer some apologist fare—the highly-touted heavyweight is merely a footnote here.

One of the most popular arguments used against the heavyweight is one that deals with the location of the elite fighters in his respective weight class. A large percentage of individuals are under the impression that the vast majority of these fighters are inside of the UFC, and their counterparts pale in comparison. For the most part, any talk of skill, record and actual accomplishments inside of the sport is regularly tossed out in favor of the more, um, “substantial” talk of brand recognition.

Shane Carwin is one such name that is bandied about whenever the subject of Emelianenko and (here’s that term again) top competition is broached. On the flipside, Fabricio Werdum—Fedor’s next opponent—is a heavyweight fighter that finds himself routinely panned and subsequently dubbed little more than additional padding for Emelianenko’s record. The problem with this sort of talk is that a simple examination of a fighter’s record—in this case, Werdum—and even a quick viewing of some of the fighter’s former bouts will expose this very line of thinking as nothing more than a foul chimera.

This sort of mentality is the very thing that people need to discard because it is toxic.

It is a cancer.

Pull that curtain back and see what’s really at play here.

A quick look at the records of both fighters shows a stunning disparity in terms of quality opponents. The list of notable opponents that Werdum has faced is as follows:

- Aleksander Emelianenko
- Andrei Arlovski
- Sergei Kharitonov
- Alistair Overeem
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
- Gabriel Gonzaga (twice)
- Brandon Vera
- Antonio Silva
- Junior Dos Santos

What about Carwin? His list is as follows:

- Gabriel Gonzaga
-(Mir)

I know it must seem to some that I’m attempting to discredit Carwin, but I must say that if offering a simple list of a fighter’s notable bouts is all it takes to “discredit” a fighter, well, something is amiss. Did Werdum win every one of those fights? No. He actually went 6-4, but only a single loss was a stoppage with the rest coming by way of decision. A mark that isn’t too shabby when considering the names listed.

The point of all this is that Carwin has yet to face the amount of elite fighters Werdum has encountered. So why is it that he’s viewed as a more appropriate test for Emelianenko when it’s abundantly clear he’s yet to accomplish anywhere near as much as Werdum?

It’s easy: brand recognition.

Many have largely accepted the propaganda churned out by the UFC. We have the best; they don’t. The truth, however, is much closer to: We have a lot of the best fighters in the world, but there are other fighters, in certain weight classes (namely heavyweight and lightweight) outside of our promotion, that are just as talented as many of our best.

Not quite as catchy, though.

Is this a problem? No. A company is expected to promote itself and its product as the best around. The real problem is that consumers are so unwilling to set aside branding in order to make a true comparison of the products offered by rival companies.


Now, in the case of perishable food items (soft drinks, for example), this can be tricky since taste can be a hell of a thing. It’s largely subjective and has the potential to change drastically from person-to-person. The same problem, however, is absent inside of mixed martial arts. The main products—if we put aside production value, etc.—here are the fighters themselves. Their records and performance against other fighters should serve as the true “taste test”.

Top competition should mean more than fighters housed within the largest promotion in the world. A fighter’s worth should be determined by more than the brand on his/her back and the dogmatic marketing of the company he/she belongs to.

Top competition.

The best in the world.

It’s time to wake up, folks.






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Re: Yahoo Sports Pound for Pound Ranking...
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2010, 01:08:04 PM »
That article sums up what I and others have been saying on here for the past year. Just because someone is in the UFC does not automatically make them superior to fighters outside of the UFC. You have to look at each fighters resume independent of the organization they fight for. Nuff said.