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What is this country coming to?
« on: May 06, 2010, 10:58:56 AM »
California Students Sent Home for Wearing U.S. Flags on Cinco de Mayo
   
Administrators at a California high school sent five students home on Wednesday after they refused to remove their American flag T-shirts and bandannas -- garments the school officials deemed "incendiary" on Cinco de Mayo.

The five teens were sitting at a table outside Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., on Wednesday morning when Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez asked two of them to remove their American flag bandannas, the Morgan Hill Times reported. The boys told the newspaper they complied, but were asked to accompany Rodriguez to the principal's office.

The five students -- Daniel Galli, Austin Carvalho, Matt Dariano, Dominic Maciel and Clayton Howard -- were then told they must turn their T-shirts inside-out or be sent home, though it would not be considered a suspension. Rodriguez told the students he did not want any fights to break out between Mexican-American students celebrating their heritage and those wearing American flags.

"They said we were starting a fight," Dariano told the newspaper. "We were fuel to the fire."

The boys told Rodriguez and Principal Nick Boden that turning their shirts inside-out was disrespectful, so their parents decided to take them home, the newspaper reports.

"I just couldn't believe it," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mother, told the newspaper. "I'm an open-minded parent, but it's got to be on both sides. It can't be five kids singled out."

Galli told NBC Bay Area, "They said we could wear it on any other day, but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it."

In a statement released on Wednesday, the Morgan Hill Unified School District said it did not agree with the school's actions.

"In an attempt to foster a spirit of cultural awareness and maintain a safe and supportive school environment, the Live Oak High School administration took certain actions earlier today," the statement read. "The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions."

Attempts to reach school officials early Thursday were not successful. A secretary told the Morgan Hill Times that Boden and Rodriguez were unavailable for comment on Wednesday.

According to its website, Live Oak High School is a 1,300-student institution in the southern part of Santa Clara County, with most students residing in the nearby cities of Morgan Hill and San Jose.

"The student population reflects the rich ethnic and socioeconomic diversity of the community," the website reads.

More than 100 students were spotted wearing the colors of the Mexican flag -- red, white and green -- as they left school, including some who had the flag painted on their faces or arms, the Morgan Hill times reported.

While bandannas of any color are banned at the school, its dress code policy does not contain references to American flags.

"However, any clothing or decoration which detracts from the learning environment is prohibited," the policy reads. "The school has the right to request that any student dressing inappropriately for school will change into other clothes, be sent home to change, and/or be subject to disciplinary action."

Freshman Laura Ponce, who had a Mexican flag painted on her face and chest, told the Morgan Hill Times that Cinco de Mayo is the "only day" Mexican-American students can show their national pride.

"There was a lot of drama going on today," Ponce told the newspaper.

Some other Mexican-American students reportedly said their flags were taken away or asked to be put away, but no other students were sent home on Wednesday.

Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at the University of California-Los Angeles, said the students are protected under California Education Code 48950, which prohibits schools from enforcing a rule subjecting a high school student to disciplinary sanctions solely on the basis of conduct, that when engaged outside of campus, is protected by the First Amendment.

If the school could point to previous incidents sparked by students who wore garments with American flags, they could argue that the flag is likely to lead to "substantial disruption," Volokh said.

"If, for example, there had been fights over similar things at past events, if there had been specific threats made," he said. "But if [school officials] just say, 'Well, we think it might be offensive to people,' that's generally speaking not enough."

Volokh said the students and their parents likely have a winning case on their hands if they decide to take the matter to court.

"Oh yes, it's almost open and shut," he said.

Lis Wiehl, a former federal prosecutor and a Fox News legal analyst, said the incident appears to a "blatant" violation of the students' First Amendment right to free speech. She noted that inciting violence is an exception to a First Amendment legal defense, but Wiehl said she saw no indications that the students provoked anyone.

"Unless I'm missing something, this seems like a blatant violation of the First Amendment," said Wiehl, adding that uniforms are not required at the public school. "And they're wearing, of all horrific things, the American flag."


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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 11:01:34 AM »
You gotta be kidding.   ::)  How do these people get in leadership positions?   :-\

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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 11:03:24 AM »
I only wish this actually surprised anyone.

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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 11:06:02 AM »
The fact of the matter is that whether you guys like it or not, we are heading towards violence.

We are being invaded not only from the bums from the south of the border who dont give a rats ass about the law, but bu tthe mentally deranged libs and commies. 

 

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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 11:08:04 AM »
Absolutely rididulous!!! If old men are allowed to wear socks with sandals, teenagers should be able to wear American flag T-shirts in an American highschool, no matter how garish & obnoxious a flag T-shirt may be.

I'm speculating they felt their was going to be some friction and he decided it wasn't goinngto happen in his school on his watch, and sought to avoid potential bad publicity. lokks like he may hhave gotten it anyway, but this is only speculation on my part. A stupid move.
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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 11:09:44 AM »
The fact of the matter is that whether you guys like it or not, we are heading towards violence.
 

And if that were to unfortunately occur, ...I'd bet you'd be right there pouring gas on the flames wouldn't you?
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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 11:14:09 AM »
If it came down to it, I am prepared to defend myself and family to the death and wont let one of these dirty pofs invaders or their apologists threaten me.

I'm not kidding, I really dont see any reconcilliation in this nation.  50% want a nanny state, cradle to grave welfare socialiststic state, and the other 50% want to be left alone. 

 

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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 11:16:53 AM »
And if that were to unfortunately occur, ...I'd bet you'd be right there pouring gas on the flames wouldn't you?

No we would be trying to extinguish the flames of division and seperation Obama fans every single day/.

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Re: What is this country coming to?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 12:04:28 PM »
The fact of the matter is that whether you guys like it or not, we are heading towards violence.

We are being invaded not only from the bums from the south of the border who dont give a rats ass about the law, but bu tthe mentally deranged libs and commies. 

 

We are invaded by REPUBLICAN hate and blatant racism... :o That's the REAL problem. No more tolerance, no more listening to each other, no more taking in consideration other people who don't share your views are just as patriotic as some of you claim to be, and would shed their blood for this country in an instant, the new trend is to label anybody that doesn't agree with the far right Republican agenda  a communist, a socialist, Hitler , a fascist etc. That's the real fuckin problem and unfortunately some of us fail to see it. :-\
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There Will Be No Apology
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 12:16:41 AM »

Despite the left's best efforts: bottom line we're sick of ur bullshit.

Those are the words of the mother of Matt Dariano, one of the five kids at Live Oak High School in the San Francisco Bay Area who were sent home for having the temerity to wear American flag tee shirts on the "Mexican heritage day" of Cinco de Mayo.

"There will not be an apology," Mrs. Dariano told the camera crew outside the school. "Matthew is part Hispanic, OK? He's an American. So, no, there will be no apology from any Dariano."

Guess who else uttered the exact same phrase last year? James Crowley, the white Cambridge cop who arrested black Harvard professor Louis Gates, Jr. and was singled out in a nationally televised press conference by President Obama for "acting stupidly."

On July 23 of last year outside his home, a reporter told Crowley that Gates had asked for an apology from him for his handling of the incident.

"There will be no apology," Crowley replied.

After a beat, the reporter followed up: "Is this now and ever, 'no apology,?"

"Yes," Crowley replied flatly.

The fact is, Americans are increasingly fed up with the racially divisive, politically correct insanity pulsating through the country today. After years of being pressured and browbeaten by the left-wing PC police about what they can say, do, think, and wear, many Americans have had enough. And they're especially furious with being asked to apologize for things that aren't or shouldn't be in the least bit offensive.

The idea that high school kids anywhere in America would be called the principal's office - let alone that they would be asked whether they should apologize - for wearing clothes bearing the image of the United States flag, is a perfect case in point.

It's the kind of insanity that rankles the sensibilities of millions upon millions of Americans, and has them cheering when someone - whether a Cambridge cop or a Bay Area mother - stands up, refuses to back down, and says, "there will be no apology
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Re: There Will Be No Apology
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 12:32:11 AM »
sent home for wearing American flag shirts?  WTF?

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Re: There Will Be No Apology
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 12:45:35 AM »
Yeah, imagine that shit. Its not our country anymore...and this shit was happening well before barry.
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Re: There Will Be No Apology
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2010, 01:49:29 AM »
He should have been locked up by the fashion police for such garrish apparel, but as long as old men in Florida are allowed to wear socks & sandals, kids should be able to wear an American flag Tshirt to school in America on Cinqo de mayo, ...or any other day or the year. (Just don't make me have to see it)

It;s also pretty stupid to connect the two incidents, simply because the same words were used.
It's not the same. Dariano was the party injured by the actions of the authority in charge. In the gates/crowley affair, Gates was the one injured, and Crowley was the authority in charge.
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Re: There Will Be No Apology
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2010, 07:54:04 AM »
He should have been locked up by the fashion police for such garrish apparel, but as long as old men in Florida are allowed to wear socks & sandals, kids should be able to wear an American flag Tshirt to school in America on Cinqo de mayo, ...or any other day or the year. (Just don't make me have to see it)

It;s also pretty stupid to connect the two incidents, simply because the same words were used.
It's not the same. Dariano was the party injured by the actions of the authority in charge. In the gates/crowley affair, Gates was the one injured, and Crowley was the authority in charge.


You're an idiot.

Gates wasn't the victim...if you followed the story you would see that Gates was just a uppity fuck that thought he was above the law.

Fashion statement because of American flag tshirts?  Shut up.

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Kids sent home for wearing American Flag T shirts on Cinco de Mayo...
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2010, 11:44:45 AM »
I dont know if this has been posted or not but WTF!!!

These kids are told to either turn your shirts inside out or go home for wearing an AMERICAN FLAG T SHIRT??? fucking seriously

but the let the kids wearing mexican flags stay...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

I hope these kids parents sue the shit out of that school and the vice principle and priciple are fired for this idiotic stunt...

This is the problem no respect...ppl come to this country with no respect for the culture or the country itself they come with a sense of entitlement and instead of respecting America they demand respect for the country they came from? AND WE GIVE IT TO THEM WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

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Good grief! maybe you should actually read through the headlines before you post then?

How many threads are we gonna have on this... and how could you miss them, they're all ove the place.

Can a mod please merge them?
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Good grief! maybe you should actually read through the headlines before you post then?

How many threads are we gonna have on this... and how could you miss them, they're all ove the place.

Can a mod please merge them?
piss off I scanned through them didnt see a thread on it and then prefaced my thread with a caveat...sorry  ::)

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I dont know if this has been posted or not but WTF!!!

These kids are told to either turn your shirts inside out or go home for wearing an AMERICAN FLAG T SHIRT??? fucking seriously

but the let the kids wearing mexican flags stay...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

I hope these kids parents sue the shit out of that school and the vice principle and priciple are fired for this idiotic stunt...

This is the problem no respect...ppl come to this country with no respect for the culture or the country itself they come with a sense of entitlement and instead of respecting America they demand respect for the country they came from? AND WE GIVE IT TO THEM WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
I understand your anger... but today the USA doesn't have a culture of its own... even your president is half breed... :-\
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Purposefully worn on Cinco de Mayo to make a statement = not really in good taste.

However, sending an AMERICAN kid home for wearing an AMERICAN flag on any day is absolutely absurd.  It's beyond ridiculous.  
Watching WWII films, and reading books, biographies, etc., from people who lived during that era, it seems that there was a level of pride about our country that just isn't there today.  
There's no doubt that people found fault with many of our Government's policies back then too...so it's not that.  We're all a bunch of fuckwads that have allowed dumber fuckwads to make us lose that sense of pride.  We live in a great country where (although we're moving in an opposite direction at this time) anyone that is willing to put in the effort can make a great life for themselves and their family.  
You don't punish people for supporting that.

It's fucking America....you should get praise and a fucking handshake for wearing an American flag T-shirt.  
And I'm not even all that patriotic.
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I understand your anger... but today the USA doesn't have a culture of its own... even your president is half breed... :-\

You're confusing 'culture' with 'ethnicity'. These are two completely different things.
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I understand your anger... but today the USA doesn't have a culture of its own... even your president is half breed... :-\

The culture isn't in our race.  The culture is in what America represents.  
That doesn't change because people don't have ancestors that came over on the Mayflower.
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You're confusing 'culture' with 'ethnicity'. These are two completely different things.
I disagree... ethnicities come along with different cultures, they are 2 concenpts that cannot be separated.
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I disagree... ethnicities come along with different cultures, they are 2 concenpts that cannot be separated.

Except by definition.
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