The 2:1 ratio

[SgtSpar]

Does anyone know where this idea originally came from?  I started doing this in the mid-80s, and I've never heard it til recently, and honestly, I don't agree with it at all.  Take a guy that wants to do a decent cycle.  He decides he wants to use EQ at 600mg a week, a dose that most people find gives them great gains and low to no sides, and he decides to use d-bol at 50mg a day cuz everyone loves the way d-bol makes you feel and the quick gains that come from it.  Now according to the 2:1 ratio, the guy that just wanted to do a tame cycle has to add 2 grams of test a week.  That reasoning just doesn't work for me.  So what is he supposed to do?  Lower the EQ to 400mg, the lowest EQ dose you can get much of anything from, lower the d-bol to 30mg a day, he still has to take 1200mg of test a week?  So the poor guy is still at almost 2 grams of shit a week.

When I started, as I said mid-80s, most people would do about 4-500mg of test, maybe 400mg of deca, 30-40mg of d-bol a day and call it good.  As far as I know, no one had problems with losing their sex drive, ED, or anything like that.

Anyone have any thoughts other than the "everyone knows...." type of discussions?

[clued-up]

There are no hard set rules when it comes to hormones. I’d say run just enough test to cover normal body function (hrt dose) and add whatever you like to that, whatever you respond best to.  

[4thAD]

Mostly when people talk about 2:1 ratio, their not speaking of dbol. Only oils from my experience. Meaning if your going to run 600mg deca, you should run 1200mg test. Keep in mind these are not newb doses, and you really need to find what works for you on an individual basis. The 2:1 ratio is only a beginner guideline, and is definitely not something written in stone.

Personally I can run deca alone with no test and still feel great. Most how ever will not get away with it. In fact my last cycle I ran some pretty high doses of test, tren, and deca, and still felt really good. We all need to find what works for us.

[brent2741]

 i always responded well to a 1:1 test/deca but thats just me

[Overload]

I would say 1:1 is fine but i have known a few guys who had serious problems with deca and tren while running a small dose of test.

I have done cycles of just dbol/deca and i was fine, but i think it's a good idea for beginners to use a 2:1 ratio on small cycles. once you start to see how your body handles the drugs you can try a different ratio.