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People finally getting serious in Arizona
« on: June 15, 2010, 01:56:02 PM »
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1996064,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo

Anchor babies isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots — the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. — for their next move.

Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.
(See "The Battle for Arizona: Will a Border Crackdown Work?")

But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the anchor and leave.
(See TIME's photo-essay "The Border Fence Rises in the Southwest.")

The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "All persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.
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But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says, the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," he says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born in the U.S. should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create — and it's creating it now — a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB1070 from taking effect and place a three-year moratorium on all related laws — including the anchor-baby bill — to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.

Both sides expect the anchor-baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be O.K.," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor-baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB1070, which Republican Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all.

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 01:58:36 PM »
Great.  One by one, step by step. 


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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 02:03:49 PM »
good bye, and good riddance
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 02:05:22 PM »
Seems pretty backwards to me... If you're born in any other country in the world, you are a citizen of that country if born on it's soil.

I think it's trying to create more stupid laws instead of just enforcing the ones we have.

It is completely useless.

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 02:06:34 PM »
Seems pretty backwards to me... If you're born in any other country in the world, you are a citizen of that country if born on it's soil.

I think it's trying to create more stupid laws instead of just enforcing the ones we have.

It is completely useless.

Dead wrong.  Most countries dont allow anchor baby sabotage like we have. 

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 02:09:08 PM »
Great.  One by one, step by step. 



so now you have no problem ignoring the U.S Constitution in this case??? I thought the Tea Party which you seem to be an ardent supporter of wants to "bring back" The Constitution...I'm confused.
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM »
Dead wrong.  Most countries dont allow anchor baby sabotage like we have.  

Which countries?

Most countries in Europe and South America do...

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 02:20:02 PM »
so now you have no problem ignoring the U.S Constitution in this case??? I thought the Tea Party which you seem to be an ardent supporter of wants to "bring back" The Constitution...I'm confused.

Didn't you get the memo?  The Constitution is only for white people, and some blacks.  Otherwise you're out of luck.
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 02:22:13 PM »
how many other countries in the world have the problem that america does which is a bunch of prego women comming over just to poop out some borritos, because they know that the child will recieve free healthcare, food and so on and so forth? maybe that is why its not an issue for other countries
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 02:24:30 PM »
that amendment was only made to the constitution to ensure that slave families stayed in america ,  NEWS FLASH we no long buy and sell slaves .  so just as that stopped so should that law..
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 02:25:31 PM »
how many other countries in the world have the problem that america does which is a bunch of prego women comming over just to poop out some borritos, because they know that the child will recieve free healthcare, food and so on and so forth? maybe that is why its not an issue for other countries

this makes me laugh....if you're talking about state provided help, Europe and most of their socialist countries are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of whatever we're doing here. They are providing a lot more than we are to be clear. :-\ So your theory is completely false.
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 02:26:02 PM »
today people just abuse that law and use it in a way that it was never intended for..
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 02:26:12 PM »
Didn't you get the memo?  The Constitution is only for white people, and some blacks.  Otherwise you're out of luck.

Maybe if these invaders were not coming here to rape the system and bleed the taxpayer dry people would be a little more sympathethic.  

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 02:26:54 PM »
this might work on NEW kids born starting on some date.

But are you going to tell a 17-year old girl who was born here, that she suddenly loses her citizenship and can't go to college?  And even though she doesn't speak a lick of spanish and has lived in Boston her entire life, she suddenly has to move to mexico City?

Really?  

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 02:27:16 PM »
Didn't you get the memo?  The Constitution is only for white people, and some blacks.  Otherwise you're out of luck.

Actually this issue has never been challenged in court.The constitution doesnt state those that are illegal and have a kid here makes the kid a ctizen.It will be challenged eventually if a law like this passes.

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 02:29:56 PM »
you missed my hole point completly, i wasnt comparing what we do  vs. other countries, i asked how many other countries have the prob  of immagrants entering their country illegally for the soul purpose of giving birth?  america has a major prob with that,  so compare how big our prob with that is to another country who as the level of that as america
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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 02:30:36 PM »
Maybe if these invaders were not coming here to rape the system and bleed the taxpayer dry people would be a little more sympathethic.  

Weird.  The most comprehensive study done on Illegals showed a net effect for america, not a deficit 70K was the figure i believe.  Numerous economic studies have been undertaken by the government and the positive effect illegals have had on the economy has been proven.  This is why no one has moved on the issue.  It doesn't make economic sense.  If you want to say it's a moral issue then so be it.  But to perpetrate lies that it's about economics is patently false.  Unless of course white house issued studies and economists are somehow lying to take over the world in an NWO with al gore leading the charge and obama turning everyone muslim  ::)
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 02:32:19 PM »
These people are waging economic, cultural, and demographic warfare on this country and need the freaking boot back to whereever the hell they come from along with their anchor bombs.   

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2010, 02:34:16 PM »
exactly,  if they are going to come here , just to protest our laws and the way they are treated go some where else , just like you left where you came from cause you didnt like something
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2010, 02:34:59 PM »
Weird.  The most comprehensive study done on Illegals showed a net effect for america, not a deficit 70K was the figure i believe.  Numerous economic studies have been undertaken by the government and the positive effect illegals have had on the economy has been proven.  This is why no one has moved on the issue.  It doesn't make economic sense.  If you want to say it's a moral issue then so be it.  But to perpetrate lies that it's about economics is patently false.  Unless of course white house issued studies and economists are somehow lying to take over the world in an NWO with al gore leading the charge and obama turning everyone muslim  ::)

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The Fed Gov loves it since some of these people pay into the SS system.  However, the state govts, who cant print money like the Fed. gov. and actually have to deal with this bs are bleeding dry due to this insanity.  

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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2010, 02:35:26 PM »
Actually this issue has never been challenged in court.The constitution doesnt state those that are illegal and have a kid here makes the kid a ctizen.It will be challenged eventually if a law like this passes.

Okay Billy if this were to pass and be deemed constitutional, would you be in favor of retroactive enforcement?  I am sure there were hundreds if not thousands of European immigrants who didn't have papers or falsely stated things on immigration documents.  It would seem only fair to punish all immigrants wouldn't it?  I'm sure we could find thousands upon thousands of 'Americans' with ties to illegal or false document immigrants from years ago.  We could then void their status as Americans and be rid of those leeches.  Lets start with your family.  Would you like to prove your family origins came here completely legally without falsifying any documents please?  
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2010, 02:39:45 PM »
Okay Billy if this were to pass and be deemed constitutional, would you be in favor of retroactive enforcement?  I am sure there were hundreds if not thousands of European immigrants who didn't have papers or falsely stated things on immigration documents.  It would seem only fair to punish all immigrants wouldn't it?  I'm sure we could find thousands upon thousands of 'Americans' with ties to illegal or false document immigrants from years ago.  We could then void their status as Americans and be rid of those leeches.  Lets start with your family.  Would you like to prove your family origins came here completely legally without falsifying any documents please?  

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2010, 02:44:26 PM »
Bingo

My family came here LEGALLY via Ellis island and not one has ever collected a dime of welfare, public assistance, sec. 8. WIC, etc,, like the caravan of leeches flooding us from the south.   

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2010, 02:58:16 PM »
Canada does not allow anchor babies. 

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Re: People finally getting serious in Arizona
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2010, 02:59:03 PM »
I grew up on welfare, WIC and foodstamps.  I couldn't really help it, as I was young and didn't have a say in the matter.  

Poor people are always worrying about $, but they have SO MUCH free time to play, watch tv, and relax.

Now that I'm married with a double-income family, I don't stress $, but I don't get to play nearly as much as when I was broke.