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Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« on: July 30, 2010, 11:29:08 AM »
By Bruce Crumley / Paris Thursday, Jul. 29, 2010

The question is as horrifying as it is important to ask: Why are a rising number of French women killing their newborn babies? Finding the answer has become a matter of urgency following the discovery on Wednesday of eight infants allegedly smothered to death and buried by their mother in northern France. And with that case marking at least the fifth instance of multiple infanticide reported in France since 2003, it has become vital for the nation to confront the phenomenon that appears to be behind it all: a mental condition known as pregnancy denial.

This latest case of newborn murder in France was uncovered in the northern town of Villiers-au-Tertre, after eight tiny bodies were found buried in the gardens of two separate homes. Six of the cadavers were unearthed on July 29 by police at the house of Dominique Cottrez, 45, and her husband Pierre-Marie, 47. Investigators searched their home after the resident of a house previously owned by Dominique's parents turned up two tiny bodies on July 24 while digging a pool in the backyard. According to the French prosecutor leading the inquiry in the town, a short distance south of Lille, Dominique has admitted to hiding her pregnancies — and the killings of her babies — from her husband, whom police describe as being "dumbstruck" by the revelations. Dominique was charged for the murders; Pierre-Marie has been cleared of wrongdoing and released but could yet become a subject of investigation. (See the top 10 crime stories of 2009.)

The case in Villiers-au-Tertre is only the most recent example of a father of slain babies being apparently unaware of his wife's pregnancies. Four other such cases since 2003 include that of Véronique Courjault, 42, who was convicted in June 2009 of killing three of her newborns — two of whom she hid in a freezer and were later discovered by her husband. And this past March, Céline Lesage, 38, was found guilty of murdering six of her babies after she hid her pregnancies from the men who had fathered them. Both women were sentenced to prison — Courjault for eight years and Lesage for 15.

Experts explained those cases as resulting from pregnancy denial, an often misunderstood and minimized condition. According to Michel Delcroix, a former gynecologist who served as a court expert in the Courjault trial and others involving pregnancy issues, pregnancy denial is a quasi-schizophrenic condition in which women either don't realize or cannot accept that they are with child — not even enough to have an abortion. Whether these women are afflicted with the condition before they deliver or as they're suddenly giving birth, Delcroix explains, the psychological denial is so strong that they refuse to believe they're pregnant even when the reality confronts them. (See more on pregnancy.)

"These women are so convinced pregnancy is impossible that once the child they never wanted arrives, they don't accept it as real and get rid of it to restore order to what they believe is nonpregnant reality," Delcroix says. "However terrible its consequences, pregnancy denial acts in infanticide cases much as a psychotic state that drives someone to kill another person does. Yet we still try women for what they do during pregnancy denial when we don't try psychotic killers deemed not responsible for their actions." Delcroix and others who are fighting for pregnancy denial to be medically and legally recognized as an illness argue that improving ways to identify and treat these women makes more sense than simply punishing the crimes they commit as a result of it. (Comment on this story.)

What causes the condition? Several things, Delcroix says, including previous trauma such as beatings and rape. But other, nonphysical factors can also be involved, and denial can kick in even if a woman has already had and raised children without a problem — Lesage has a 14-year-old son; Dominique Cottrez has two grown daughters. And while pregnancy denial has been around for decades or longer, Delcroix says it's rising in frequency. The probable reason, he says, is changes in wider social factors that have downgraded the value of childhood, parenting and family.

But in some cases, it can also be a matter of women simply failing to see themselves as mothers. "Some women never manage to update their self-identity during pregnancy, [while others] want to become pregnant without wanting to procreate," psychiatrist Pierre Lamothe told Le Parisien on Thursday. "When the child arrives, it doesn't really exist for them. They don't give it life, in psychological terms. If they saw it as a [real] baby, they wouldn't kill it." (See the top 25 crimes of the past century.)

Others just never realize — or acknowledge — that they're with child. Experts on pregnancy denial say most sufferers are either sufficiently overweight or experience such little body change that they simply assume they've gained some weight. In France, 230 women a year discover their pregnancy only while giving birth. Though just a fraction resort to infanticide, Delcroix fears there are more of those cases that remain undiscovered than there are ones that come to light, as in Villiers-au-Tertre. And he poses a chilling question: Does anyone really believe that the spreading phenomenon of pregnancy denial — and the infanticide it can lead to — is purely a French problem?

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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 11:31:56 AM »
if you ever dated one you would totally understand...

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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 01:16:20 PM »
darwanism??
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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 02:13:36 PM »
To save them from having to go through the agony of what this world is coming too :'(
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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 07:23:25 PM »
To save them from having to go through the agony of what this world is coming too :'(

they have obama too?

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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 01:57:44 PM »


The French are fairly normal.  The French, as do the RC Italians, have rigid well trained midwives...


Have you seen what's going on in China?  Every other day there's a mad parent at a school and 10 youngsters dead...

For many years they've been only allowed to have one child.  So if your one child died what would you do?


It's obviously not been reported but it's rather obvious that they're all going around taking out 5 or 10 other people's kids in a primary school class because they're not permitted to have their own.  


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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 02:03:15 PM »
sadly baby killing happens daily here in the UK too.  

This here sad woman couldn't face her divorce so yesterday killed her 3 kids...



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Flat deaths mother Theresa Riggi faces prosecution

Theresa Riggi previously said she treasured every moment spent with her children
An American woman whose two sons and daughter were found dead in Edinburgh faces prosecution over their deaths.

Theresa Riggi is in hospital after falling from the balcony of the property where twins Austin and Luke, eight, and Cecilia, five, were found.

Police said a petition warrant had been granted in connection with the deaths and proceedings were now active.

Personal correspondence from the 46-year-old seen by the BBC, said she treasured being with her children.

In the message written last year, Mrs Riggi said her children would "always come first".

She added: "I treasure every moment spent with them and marvel at their development - I wouldn't miss it for the world."

California-born Mrs Riggi, who had moved to Edinburgh from Aberdeen in July, was injured falling from the balcony of the Slateford Road property where the children were found. She is reported to be in a serious but stable condition at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

The children were discovered on Wednesday afternoon after reports of a gas explosion at the property.

'Beautiful children'
Lothian and Borders Police said post-mortem examinations have been carried out and a report has been submitted to the fiscal.

The results have not been released, but it is understood that the children did not die as a result of the explosion or a small fire in the flat.

The children's father Pasquale Riggi earlier told of the family's "immense and tragic loss".

In a short statement issued through the police, Mr Riggi, 46, said: "Our family is struggling to come to terms with the immense and tragic loss of three beautiful children.


Luke, Cecilia and Austin were found dead in the property at Edinburgh's Slateford Road
"Thanks to all who have offered such great comfort and support.

"We request that the media respect our privacy at this difficult time."

The youngsters were at the centre of a custody battle involving their US-born parents.

Mrs Riggi failed to appear before a divorce hearing at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Tuesday.

It was the second time the family had gone missing in the past month.

Police said Mrs Riggi and the children were traced to the Edinburgh address on 21 July after they were reported missing from their home in the Aberdeen area.

When Mrs Riggi failed to appear at court on Tuesday, the judge ordered the court's Messengers at Arms to search for her.


Mrs Riggi pictured at a children's party
Social services were instructed to supervise the children once they were found.

Edinburgh City Council said it was contacted by lawyers on Wednesday regarding the recent court proceedings.

It was about the same time that the authority was told about the incident at Slateford Road.

Lothian and Borders Police said its investigation into the deaths was progressing to a "significant degree".

Mrs Riggi, a violinist who also taught music to beginners, said she ran a video production company in Denver, Colorado before moving to Europe.

Her husband, originally from Colorado, has worked for oil firm Shell since 1987 and has been in Aberdeen for a number of years.

The couple moved to the UK in 1997 living in Corton, near Lowestoft on the Suffolk/Norfolk border, and in Zevenhuizen in the Netherlands.

They were married in Mrs Riggi's hometown of Bakersfield, California, in September 1989, but the relationship had deteriorated in recent years.

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Re: Why Are French Women Killing Their Babies?
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 02:08:22 PM »
darwanism??

Toxi darlin'? 

that's Darwinism, okay? 
survival of the fittest or some such...
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