Boxing vs MMA

[SgtSpar]

Did you ever notice that as soon as Munchanus gets proven a moron again, he just disappears?  He will appear in a different thread talking about the owning he gave everyone before.  No doubt, the biggest tool on getbig.  He is actually worse than Goodrum.

[noworries]

Did you ever notice that as soon as Munchanus gets proven a moron again, he just disappears?  He will appear in a different thread talking about the owning he gave everyone before.  No doubt, the biggest tool on getbig.  He is actually worse than Goodrum.

Yes he is or at least a close second.  Goodrum might have soemthing mentally wrong with him so we give him the benefit of the doubt

[noworries]

I didn't read alot of this stuff but the Gracies philosphy was that 90%+ of every street fight ends up on ther ground and that is where Gracie Jiu Jitsu takes over and cannot be beat.  That is how they used to teach.  Not sure anymore.  We used to practice in street clothes, barefoot, in boots, dress shoes, long sleeve shirts and whatever other clothing you would wear on a regular basis.  Cause you neevr know when you are going to get into a fight.  I was not a fighter but more of a enforcer.  I ended fights or took care of guys who picked on the wrong person, friend or someone weaker.  I never threw a first punch either.  I let whoever throw the first punch.  I didn't ever wait for it to land though.  My friend and I were the ones my friends would call when they needed help.  but, at no time did I ever start a fight.  I didn't like to fight.  but I hated uneven odds in a fight even more.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

  A couple of questions.

 *What's easier to fight a guy on a bar/streets, or in the beach?
 *What's easier to fight a guy wearing " shirt/jacket/suit/heavy coat" or a guy wearing a board shorts?
 *And what's easier to fight a guy in a cold city/ country or a hot city/country?
 
 * One on one situation.

[MindSpin]

  A couple of questions.

 *What's easier to fight a guy on a bar/streets, or in the beach?
 *What's easier to fight a guy wearing " shirt/jacket/suit/heavy coat" or a guy wearing a board shorts?
 *And what's easier to fight a guy in a cold city/ country or a hot city/country?
 
 * One on one situation.

*the beach.  I would drag his ass in the water and drown him.  Did countless times when I grew up surfing in HB.
*a guy wearing a bunch of clothing is easier.  You can use it against him.
*fighting in the cold sucks.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

*the beach.  I would drag his ass in the water and drown him.  Did countless times when I grew up surfing in HB.
*a guy wearing a bunch of clothing is easier.  You can use it against him.
*fighting in the cold sucks.

 Let's see.
 The beach, less clothes = good. but then you have sweat,sand and oil, that could be bad.
 Heat= good and bad. good you don't gas out easy. bad sweat.
 Drag someone to the water? hmmmmmmmmm....it could happen,but only if you fighting really really close to the water,or if you  fighting someone way smaller than you.well!!! I don't fight midgets, I prefer big guys.

 Clothes. most of people don't know how easy it is to choke someone. you don't even need to go to the ground.

 Cold weather= good and bad. you can gas out very fast. but in the other hand... there's a lot of places to grab. you know lapels are the emergency exit. pay attention there's a sign there saying "in a emergency please pull here"  lol  

[pellius]

Did you ever notice that as soon as Munchanus gets proven a moron again, he just disappears?  He will appear in a different thread talking about the owning he gave everyone before.  No doubt, the biggest tool on getbig.  He is actually worse than Goodrum.

I guess even a retard like McAssMuncher capacity for brutal ownage and humiliation has it's limits. How I never noticed a complete moron like this before is beyond me.

[tonymctones]

The first one   was a wrestler in HS
The second one (long story short ) we were in a club downtown and  two guys  were wearing white ( Fruit of the Loom) wifebeaters ,I was a little bit drunk and say something stupid  making fun of them ,one of the guy turned around pushed me and I clocked him ,he was out .later that night I found out that the guys were wrestlers at the Uof M.

LOL so you beat a hs wrestler and sucker punched a college one?

hahahahah 

[tonymctones]

Yeah , I didn't know he was a wrestler I wasn't  expecting a take down , he took me down  I couldn't move ( twisted like a Pretzel)  I bit his arm    and he let me go I got  up and I beat his ass until he quit .

LOL hahah I like it 

[che]

LOL hahah I like it 

,  the HS kid had his chances  to beat me, he pinned me down but didn't finish me , the college guy  I didn't give him a chance but maybe in different circumstances he would beat the shit out of me ,who knows .
that what I was trying to tell you man, too many variables  nothing is black or white .

[tonymctones]

,  the HS kid had his chances  to beat me, he pinned me down but didn't finish me , the college guy  I didn't give him a chance but maybe in different circumstances he would beat the shit out of me ,who knows .
that what I was trying to tell you man, too many variables  nothing is black or white .

i agree but you cant take 2 instances youve had and try to generalize...thats the good thing about statistic given a big enough sample patterns emerge...that pattern would be that mma fighters would beat boxers in street fights the vast majority of the time.

and wrestlers arent mma fighters but I like your style with the biting 

[Jaime]

The problem that James had is that he has a very bad boxing style in regards to other forms of combat. He never had any legs, zero footwork and zero power, somewhat compounded by the fact that he is a natural 160lb iin an obese 240lb body. He was great at boxing through pure skill, not athletacism. He used to like to sit in the pocket and counter, that is not going to work in mma or kickboxing. Toney could train grappling forever and still be terrible at it, just as Lesnar has trained striking for over three years now and looks like a novice. It is all down to latent talent. The kids in highschool who learn wrestling don't lose there first 100 matches and then get good, they start out at a higher level through ability. There have been wrestlers, Judokai, BJJ, kickboxers who have failed to adapt and boxers are no different. Everybody needs to stop being so tribal on this issue. It's all down to the individual.

[MoralMan]

Boxing,MMA, whatever ill bet NOONE here would mess with this guy!!!

[noworries]

Boxing,MMA, whatever ill bet NOONE here would mess with this guy!!!

I swear to god this is exactly how I picture McAnusLicker looks like.  I would not be surprised if that is him

[SgtSpar]

The problem that James had is that he has a very bad boxing style in regards to other forms of combat. He never had any legs, zero footwork and zero power, somewhat compounded by the fact that he is a natural 160lb iin an obese 240lb body. He was great at boxing through pure skill, not athletacism. He used to like to sit in the pocket and counter, that is not going to work in mma or kickboxing.



The kids in highschool who learn wrestling don't lose there first 100 matches and then get good, they start out at a higher level through ability.

You're so stupid its unreal.  Some people are born with better balance, speed, strength, whatever, but the biggest factor is hard work.  There is a reason that every wrestler looks to Dan Gable for inspiration.  The guy had no genetic gifts but became great through pure hard work.  I grew up in the mid-west in the heart of great wrestling.  I can tell you first hand that the guys that train the hardest win, not the guys with great gifts.

As far as Toney not being the "right kind" of boxer, you would be saying that about any boxer, because the same thing would have happened.  Sitting back and countering works pretty good for Silva, he is the champion and that is how he fights.  There are several other fighters that use a defensive style that do just fine with it.

[Jaime]

Talent supercedes everthing. Only average Joe's like to push the hard work angle. You have two guys who train the same and one is naturally far more athletic, then who do you think is going to progress the most? Lesnar has the striking of guys that have been training a few weeks, Ditto Carwin, I could bet you a million pounds that Toney would never do jack as a wrestler, just like Anderson. All of these guys are very hard workers save Toney, but he is so fat and punch drunk i really don't see him picking anything up.

Silva even now has shitty wrestling, what he does however have is good BJJ and he is in no way similar to James, Silva actually has legs, he can move and decent Muay Thai to keep guys hesitant. James has never had any footwork at all. Mercer is nowhere near as accomplished as James and even more shot as a fighter, but had one equaliser, power. James had nothing to offer.

The writing was on the wall, The fact that he even got a fight given the circumstances puts the org back at least ten years.

[Darren Avey]

Here we go!! Any MMA hero of yours gets killed in a street fight if a boxer lands and believe me a boxer is trained to hit very fast and accurate. There
wouldnt be an opportunity for any "takedowns".

So many of you are full of shit, the only guy who knows his stuff and i sure as hell would nt fuck with is no worries, it would have been like fighting a bear, the rest of you are so full of shit its unreal.

[pellius]

Here we go!! Any MMA hero of yours gets killed in a street fight if a boxer lands and believe me a boxer is trained to hit very fast and accurate. There
wouldnt be an opportunity for any "takedowns".

So many of you are full of shit, the only guy who knows his stuff and i sure as hell would nt fuck with is no worries, it would have been like fighting a bear, the rest of you are so full of shit its unreal.

IF a boxer lands. Ain't that easy as Toney learned. And it's not just takedowns. It's fighting in a clinch which is where Jiu-Jitsu and Wrestlers shine. Look at any boxing match. Look how many times they clinch and the ref has to separate them. No refs to protect you in a street fight. Randy was a Greco Roman wrestler where you can't do double/single legs or shoot. He gets a boxer in a clinch and your boxing hero is on the pavement. But it doesn't matter. It's the boxing fans that has a problem with MMA and is always making the comparison and claiming superiority. All else being equal -- again I repeat because you can't seem to get this very simple point -- ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL!!!!!! A MMA fighter beats a boxer 99% (there's always a puncher's chance) of the time simply because they have a much broader and diverse skill set. A pure boxer fighting as a pure boxer can only punch and protect his upper body and face. A MMA fighter can punch, kick, use elbows, take downs, chokes, arm/leg/ankle attacks... there's no comparison.

But reason and logic doesn't matter. Your mind is already made up. You have a bug up your ass regarding MMA. You seemed threatened and resentful about it.

But your word is final. The beast has spoken. LOLOLOLOLOL!

[SgtSpar]

Here we go!! Any MMA hero of yours gets killed in a street fight if a boxer lands and believe me a boxer is trained to hit very fast and accurate. There
wouldnt be an opportunity for any "takedowns".

So many of you are full of shit, the only guy who knows his stuff and i sure as hell would nt fuck with is no worries, it would have been like fighting a bear, the rest of you are so full of shit its unreal.

You're a tool.  Every thread you bitch about how boxing is great, MMA sucks, blah, blah.  I'm sure if you took down the cage and Toney and Couture fought in the parking lot instead, it would have been lights out for Couture.  Every boxer said the same shit you're spouting about how there wouldn't be time for a take down and it happens over and over and over....Unlike your stupid ass, I train in both so maybe I know what I'm talking about instead of just spouting the same dis-proven rhetoric all the time.

[SS]

You're a tool.  Every thread you bitch about how boxing is great, MMA sucks, blah, blah.  I'm sure if you took down the cage and Toney and Couture fought in the parking lot instead, it would have been lights out for Couture.  Every boxer said the same shit you're spouting about how there wouldn't be time for a take down and it happens over and over and over....Unlike your stupid ass, I train in both so maybe I know what I'm talking about instead of just spouting the same dis-proven rhetoric all the time.

It never gets old watching pwn people, esp irl........Just saying

[MindSpin]

You're a tool.  Every thread you bitch about how boxing is great, MMA sucks, blah, blah.  I'm sure if you took down the cage and Toney and Couture fought in the parking lot instead, it would have been lights out for Couture.  Every boxer said the same shit you're spouting about how there wouldn't be time for a take down and it happens over and over and over....Unlike your stupid ass, I train in both so maybe I know what I'm talking about instead of just spouting the same dis-proven rhetoric all the time.

lol

[MindSpin]

Here we go!! Any MMA hero of yours gets killed in a street fight if a boxer lands and believe me a boxer is trained to hit very fast and accurate. There
wouldnt be an opportunity for any "takedowns".

So many of you are full of shit, the only guy who knows his stuff and i sure as hell would nt fuck with is no worries, it would have been like fighting a bear, the rest of you are so full of shit its unreal.

How come Toney wasn't able to "land" on Couture?  Did the cage get in the way or something

[SgtSpar]

It never gets old watching pwn people, esp irl........Just saying

I can't even take credit for it here.  These tools are just too easy.  Too bad "Darren Avey" "Jaime" and Munchanus never wandered into the club when we were working......although MunchAnus is 6'5", maybe he is that guy I beat down and pissed on that night.

[noworries]

Here we go!! Any MMA hero of yours gets killed in a street fight if a boxer lands and believe me a boxer is trained to hit very fast and accurate. There
wouldnt be an opportunity for any "takedowns".

So many of you are full of shit, the only guy who knows his stuff and i sure as hell would nt fuck with is no worries, it would have been like fighting a bear, the rest of you are so full of shit its unreal.

Thanks, I think.  But, I didn't like to fight.  What I didn't like was when a weaker person was getting picked on or someone getting beat up by more than one person.  I think my size detered most people to try anything.  I remember the riot in Palm Springs in 83' was something that stood out.  At the Travelodge some bad shit was happening.  I was at the Westward Ho.  I walked down the street and was greeted by several people wanting me to be on thier side.  I had no idea what was happening.  I finally got there and there was about 200 people all in the parking lot by the front office.  I remember alot of people yelling and fucked up.  All of a sudden a bottled came at me.  I dodged it and then I went crazy.  I wanted to kill the fucker who threw it at me.  It was so funny cause literally as I started to yell everyone stopped talkikng moving or doing anything.  They just stood there wide eyed at me yelling to find out who through the bottle.  Anyway, never found out and that riot after the cops came made Palm Springs no more fun.  Not sure why Itold that story.  But in short I rarely fought anyone one on one where someone wanted to fight me.  It was usually me helping someone who was at a disadvantage.  My friends all thought I hit harder than anyone but I always thought my good friend Craig Kukuk hit harder than anyone I have ever seen in person.  Unreal punching power.  He later became the 1st American to achieve black belt in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

[Darren Avey]

I can't even take credit for it here.  These tools are just too easy.  Too bad "Darren Avey" "Jaime" and Munchanus never wandered into the club when we were working......although MunchAnus is 6'5", maybe he is that guy I beat down and pissed on that night.

What "club" were you working? The "Blue Oyster Bar?