Do we really need pro bodybuilding?

[Disgusted]

Think about it, most pros never win any money or get sponsored anyway. Hell some of the sponsored guys aren't even competitors. All we need is an amateur organization like the old days with guys competing in state shows like Mr California, Mr Ohio etc and then you move on to say the Jr America then Mr America and ultimately the Universe.Then they could have one show a year with all the Universe winners competing together like the Olympia was before guys had pro status. Forget about all the fancy back drops and needless crap and put the money into lighting and sound and keep the tickets reasonably priced. Also, I think it should be up to the promoter as to whether he wanted to have a separate prejudging and finals.

[flexingtonsteele]

Think about it, most pros never win any money or get sponsored anyway. Hell some of the sponsored guys aren't even competitors. All we need is an amateur organization like the old days with guys competing in state shows like Mr California, Mr Ohio etc and then you move on to say the Jr America then Mr America and ultimately the Universe.Then they could have one show a year with all the Universe winners competing together like the Olympia was before guys had pro status. Forget about all the fancy back drops and needless crap and put the money into lighting and sound and keep the tickets reasonably priced. Also, I think it should be up to the promoter as to whether he wanted to have a separate prejudging and finals.

In 10 years there wont even be pro bodybuilding.

Just look at whats happened in the past few months.

1. Female bodybuilding in replaced with womens physique ( thank god )
2. Top supplement companies are pulling their booths from the olympia.
3. The addition of mens "physique"
4. AMI/Weider go bankrupt, yet again.

Thats just a few things off the top of my head.

But when all the supp companies pull out and Weider/AMI go under for good. Sadly there wont be bodybuilding as we know it anymore.

[Disgusted]

In 10 years there wont even be pro bodybuilding.

Just look at whats happened in the past few months.

1. Female bodybuilding in replaced with womens physique ( thank god )
2. Top supplement companies are pulling their booths from the olympia.
3. The addition of mens "physique"
4. AMI/Weider go bankrupt, yet again.

Thats just a few things off the top of my head.

But when all the supp companies pull out and Weider/AMI go under for good. Sadly there wont be bodybuilding as we know it anymore.

That's exactly why someone needs to start an amateur org. Guys should compete because they like to not because they think that they are going to become rich and famous. The "general public" will NEVER like BBing I don't care what they do to try and make it more appealing.

[Chick]

In 10 years there wont even be pro bodybuilding.

Just look at whats happened in the past few months.

1. Female bodybuilding in replaced with womens physique ( thank god )
2. Top supplement companies are pulling their booths from the olympia.
3. The addition of mens "physique"
4. AMI/Weider go bankrupt, yet again.

Thats just a few things off the top of my head.

But when all the supp companies pull out and Weider/AMI go under for good. Sadly there wont be bodybuilding as we know it anymore.

LOL...Interesting take.

Where do you get your facts from?

1. WPD will INCREASE the interest in women who like to lift weights without going to the extreme of FBB, and put many more athletes on stage, and butts in the seats

2. HUH?  Obviously, you werent at the Olympia this year....and supp companies come and go all the time, it's the nature of the business.

3. MPD....added to expand the brand to even more that like to compete and lift weights...opening up more opportunities to a wider audience...which only increases the exposure yo OUR world of BB

4. AMI and WEIDER are two different companies....Weider will be around a loooong time to come with Eric Weider at the helm, it's in good hands

[chaos]

LOL are you guys all holding hands and sharing the computer?

[Chick]

That's exactly why someone needs to start an amateur org. Guys should compete because they like to not because they think that they are going to become rich and famous. The "general public" will NEVER like BBing I don't care what they do to try and make it more appealing.

Come on Jim....you know as well as I do that no one in the history of BB, has ever gotten into it for the money, or to become rich and famous...

I couldnt care less if the GP ever likes BB...never have, never will....it's the FITNESS industry as a whole that we need to appeal to more, which is why the changes of late have taken place....something they should have been doing a long time ago.

[Disgusted]

LOL...Interesting take.

Where do you get your facts from?

1. WPD will INCREASE the interest in women who like to lift weights without going to the extreme of FBB, and put many more athletes on stage, and butts in the seats

2. HUH?  Obviously, you werent at the Olympia this year....and supp companies come and go all the time, it's the nature of the business.

3. MPD....added to expand the brand to even more that like to compete and lift weights...opening up more opportunities to a wider audience...which only increases the exposure yo OUR world of BB

4. AMI and WEIDER are two different companies....Weider will be around a loooong time to come with Eric Weider at the helm, it's in good hands

Hey Chick, I thought Eric wasn't too interested in taking the helm so to speak?

[chaos]

Come on Jim....you know as well as I do that no one in the history of BB, has ever gotten into it for the money, or to become rich and famous...

I couldnt care less if the GP ever likes BB...never have, never will....it's the FITNESS industry as a whole that we need to appeal to more, which is why the changes of late have taken place....something they should have been doing a long time ago.

So you're saying Ronnie should have never won those contests and they should have awarded the O's to someone more slender that appeals to the public better than a 300 pound juice monkey?

[Disgusted]

Come on Jim....you know as well as I do that no one in the history of BB, has ever gotten into it for the money, or to become rich and famous...

I couldnt care less if the GP ever likes BB...never have, never will....it's the FITNESS industry as a whole that we need to appeal to more, which is why the changes of late have taken place....something they should have been doing a long time ago.

I think we are in total agreement. You are talking about the fitness industry yes, but men's bbing doesn't fit into the category.

[flexingtonsteele]

LOL...Interesting take.

Where do you get your facts from?

1. WPD will INCREASE the interest in women who like to lift weights without going to the extreme of FBB, and put many more athletes on stage, and butts in the seats

2. HUH?  Obviously, you werent at the Olympia this year....and supp companies come and go all the time, it's the nature of the business.

3. MPD....added to expand the brand to even more that like to compete and lift weights...opening up more opportunities to a wider audience...which only increases the exposure yo OUR world of BB

4. AMI and WEIDER are two different companies....Weider will be around a loooong time to come with Eric Weider at the helm, it's in good hands

They are facts and you're backing them up.

If bodybuilding as it is today then why would you be restructuring it as you are with new mens and womens physique categories?

Why the need to put more butts in the seats if everything is so great already?

Bodybuilding is in one of the worst positions it has been in since ive been following it.

I still stand by what I say and that in 10 years theres just going to be figure, womens physique, mens physique and maybe a classical division.

The day of a 250lbs man on a boatload of drugs will be no more. Whats happened with physiques the last 10 years has made bodybuilding so unappealing that its turned off just about any young person in their right minds from doing so. Just look at this years amateur shows ( especially nationals ) as proof. There is just no more talent in that small pool anymore.

[cyp200la]

all supps are crap ,only one worth a shit is creatine.. bodybuilding is alllll drugs sad but true

[g101]

bodybuilding is a drug game and we all know that

those who say no are LIARS and don't want to make themselfs look bad

drug tests are also bullshit, one of my buddys is an international weight lifter and he is on a TON of drugs and he passed tests

bodybuilding is 90% drugs

[dyslexic]

LOL are you guys all holding hands and sharing the computer?

Post of the day! 

[Chick]

So you're saying Ronnie should have never won those contests and they should have awarded the O's to someone more slender that appeals to the public better than a 300 pound juice monkey?

No, Thats not what I'm saying at all....My point is that we as an industry should have been "expanding the brand" many many years ago...not just keeping ourselves as a nitche sport, which is limiting and doesnt open up the world of bodybuilding to anyone other than the one's who are already into it...which is why it has STAYED a nitche sport...

Adding a Mens physique division has nothing to do with the Mens BB division....

[cyp200la]

just think how bodybuilding would be if there were no drugs? i will be honest its because seeing these guys in mags is the reason i started using... just imagine who many have the chance of being pros if there were no steroids imn bodybuilding im sure alot of people on getbig could be.but that will never happen even natural show guys use gear...

[Chick]

They are facts and you're backing them up.

If bodybuilding as it is today then why would you be restructuring it as you are with new mens and womens physique categories?

Why the need to put more butts in the seats if everything is so great already?

Bodybuilding is in one of the worst positions it has been in since ive been following it.

I still stand by what I say and that in 10 years theres just going to be figure, womens physique, mens physique and maybe a classical division.

The day of a 250lbs man on a boatload of drugs will be no more. Whats happened with physiques the last 10 years has made bodybuilding so unappealing that its turned off just about any young person in their right minds from doing so. Just look at this years amateur shows ( especially nationals ) as proof. There is just no more talent in that small pool anymore.

Geez, I dont know...why try and create more/ new business?  The money in pro BB is at it's all time best, contracts are in abundance and more and more athletes are able to supplement thir income (if not make a living) from the many avenues of bodybuilding business...

So what do you believe the "worst positions" are that you talk of?  Worst according to who?

That said....you can stick to your opinion, and predict the end is near all you want....I heard the same thing 10, 15 and  20 years ago....

[chaos]

Adding a Mens physique division has nothing to do with the Mens BB division....

Quite the opposite.......like flexingtonsqueal said.......you're proving the point you are trying not to.


If mens BBing is doing so well, why the need to "expand the brand"?


Mens BB can't cut it on it's own anymore, so they add a Mens Physique division........now these guys have to pay their dues and their families will pay to go to the shows......

It's a smart business move Chickadildo, but to say it has nothing to do with mens BBing just isn't true, it's an effort to bring in more customers to save mens BBing from whithering away to nothing.

[Chick]

Quite the opposite.......like flexingtonsqueal said.......you're proving the point you are trying not to.


If mens BBing is doing so well, why the need to "expand the brand"?


Mens BB can't cut it on it's own anymore, so they add a Mens Physique division........now these guys have to pay their dues and their families will pay to go to the shows......

It's a smart business move Chickadildo, but to say it has nothing to do with mens BBing just isn't true, it's an effort to bring in more customers to save mens BBing from whithering away to nothing.

It's called business 101....take it...might help you to underatand.

[chaos]

It's called business 101....take it...might help you to underatand.

Take a general ed basic reading comprehension class.......might help you understand.

It's a smart business move Chickadildo, but to say it has nothing to do with mens BBing just isn't true, it's an effort to bring in more customers to save mens BBing from whithering away to nothing.

[Disgusted]

Mens BB can't cut it on it's own anymore, so they add a Mens Physique division........now these guys have to pay their dues and their families will pay to go to the shows......

It's a smart business move Chickadildo, but to say it has nothing to do with mens BBing just isn't true, it's an effort to bring in more customers to save mens BBing from whithering away to nothing.

It's like offering free blowjobs to come to an Amway meeting.

[chaos]

It's like offering free blowjobs to come to an Amway meeting.

You gave your email to Goodrum

[Disgusted]

You gave your email to Goodrum

 

[Chick]

Take a general ed basic reading comprehension class.......might help you understand.

I love it...another jackoff on the internet talking like he knows what goes on in the sport....stick to name calling

Feel free to post up the numbers to back up your point, being that you claim a mens physique division is needed to "save" bb....lol

anytime now...we'll be waiting

[flexingtonsteele]

Geez, I dont know...why try and create more/ new business?  The money in pro BB is at it's all time best, contracts are in abundance and more and more athletes are able to supplement thir income (if not make a living) from the many avenues of bodybuilding business...

So what do you believe the "worst positions" are that you talk of?  Worst according to who?

That said....you can stick to your opinion, and predict the end is near all you want....I heard the same thing 10, 15 and  20 years ago....

So by your reasoning I should be looking forward to a new nfl, nba, and mlb leagues in the near future. Because business is so good, it can only get better.

If things are going good you dont change it, come on Bob you know that. If it aint broke, dont fix it!

And if the contracts were so great and more people are able to support their incomes then why is a guy like troy alves who has just won a pro show in the past year and placed top five in multiple other shows just recently not even able to afford to be able to do the mr.olympia this year until he got a last minute contract with some european supplement company.

But I probably just got my facts wrong. Right Bob.

[chaos]

I love it...another jackoff on the internet talking like he knows what goes on in the sport....stick to name calling

Feel free to post up the numbers to back up your point, being that you claim a mens physique division is needed to "save" bb....lol

anytime now...we'll be waiting

I don't need numbers polerider, I have your posts.........