Do we really need pro bodybuilding?

[Disgusted]

 

[MB]

Think about it, most pros never win any money or get sponsored anyway. Hell some of the sponsored guys aren't even competitors. All we need is an amateur organization like the old days with guys competing in state shows like Mr California, Mr Ohio etc and then you move on to say the Jr America then Mr America and ultimately the Universe.Then they could have one show a year with all the Universe winners competing together like the Olympia was before guys had pro status. Forget about all the fancy back drops and needless crap and put the money into lighting and sound and keep the tickets reasonably priced. Also, I think it should be up to the promoter as to whether he wanted to have a separate prejudging and finals.

A lot of good points here.  The main thing that I see wrong is that the talent is getting old in professional bodybuilding.  Young people are not participating, and it is already showing at the top.  If you took out Jay, Branch, Dex, Kai, Vic, & Phil; talent gets VERY thin.  Sure, the Olympia & Arnold do well, but the circuit shows are nothing more than Olympia qualifiers with poor attendance.  Bodybuilding needs to draw young talent, but instead of addressing that problem, the IFBB decided to add totally new divisions??  What about helping bodybuilding?

[Flexb]

Pretty sure the neck is enhanced. Seen the pic before I think and his neck wasn't THAT thick. Could be wrong and if I am that's just insane.

[Parker]

No it wont....different criteria for starters....we already have the 202

I understand that, but evolution always happens, slowly, the men's physique will look like the LHW or LW division in NPC, like the fitness girls evolved into the late 80s-early 90s female bbers, and the figure girls evolved int to the fitness look...
Or how men's bbing evolved from the 80s to the late 90s mass monsters...

[Disgusted]

A lot of good points here.  The main thing that I see wrong is that the talent is getting old in professional bodybuilding.  Young people are not participating, and it is already showing at the top.  If you took out Jay, Branch, Dex, Kai, Vic, & Phil; talent gets VERY thin.  Sure, the Olympia & Arnold do well, but the circuit shows are nothing more than Olympia qualifiers with poor attendance.  Bodybuilding needs to draw young talent, but instead of addressing that problem, the IFBB decided to add totally new divisions??  What about helping bodybuilding?

Very true, teen bbing is almost non existent.

[Azure]

If you listened to Lee Haney's interview, he was spot on the money.  I can remember back in the 1990's we would have teenagers/youngmen in the gym with their Flex magazines discussing Flex, Shawn, Kevin, Lee, Mike, etc.

Now?  People would like to look like The Situation or the other guy from Jersey Shore.  There's one on there that was muscular and women still found him attractive....

I think that the problem is that the physiques look horrible and aren't inspirational. It appeals to a fringe group.

As was said on here, people wanted to look like Arnold. I remember reading several articles where Lee Haney said women came up to him and told him how nice his body was.

ANd from  my own personal experience...if you don't look ridiculous, people do admire and like a musclebound physique.

Anyway Bob you talk about BB and it's growth...I'd be curious if you could tell us profit margins and what you forecast in the general future.

[Cableguy]

Bodybuilding is the only "sport" that has regressed in the past 20 years.

The physiques from the 80's and 90's are so much better than the piles of shit we see onstage now its not even funny.

True in 9 out of 10 cases... 

[Wiggs]

What's sickening is the former head of this so-called sport died with 1 BILLION DOLLARS in his account...1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...

The top purse in bodybuilding is 200k...Hell, the total prize money from the Olympia (Mr., Ms., Fitness, Figure and now Bikini) doesn't even reach 1 Million...How much you want to bet most of that money comes from sponsors...if not all...FUCKING PATHETIC...

Like I stated in a post last week...when Arnold tried to raise the purse in his show Papa Joe said no because the Olympia was the most prestigious show and he wasn't going to raise the Olympia purse and at the time it was 110k I believe...

I won't speak ill of the dead or near dead...I'll leave it at that...

I don't think Phil Heath knows how much he has this "sport" by the balls..If he leaves who are they going to promote?  Kai?...Yea....No...he's a mess..Branch doesn't have a Mr. O physique, Jay is in the twilight of his career, Dexter is old...I see Cedric McMillan and that's it...Wolfe?  Um...no...Scent-of-panties?  Yeah, whenever he gets the urge to compete...What this "sport" needs is legit talent and contenders...It's not going to happen because people now there is no money to be made in this sport...You have to spend money to make it...and this "sport" is fucked up in so many ways now i couldn't tell you why anyone would ever want to get into it...I like bodybuilding but PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR COMPETITIVE bodybuilding SUCKS and HARD...Whenever I'm here in Vegas and I see some bright eyed 19 year old kid looking to "live the dream" I ensure I tell him the total truth about what to expect or in most cases....what not to expect...The internet was the worst thing to happen to this sport in terms of keeping the facade...and the best thing for fans or competitors to find out what really goes on...

We have voiced our opinions countless times and on many forums and they continue to be ignored...in no particular order...

1.  Change the posing trunks...
2.  Take the emphasis off shredded glutes...
3.  Really penalize those with ANY signs of guts, gyno, synthol or any other non-pleasing anomaly....and quantify this...e.g. 1 point added if: XXX
4.  Actually judge the show according to the way the old rules where written...Muscularity round, symmetry, posing, etc...doing this will weed out the guts, and 5'8 270lb barrels of garbage.
5.  Ban any kind of sexual displays...ass shaking and butt gyrating or anything else that can be defined as "faggotry"
6.  Prize money for last place in the O should be at least 25k and the top prize should be 500k...working its way up to 1 million over the course of 5 years...With that, there should only be 10 slots open for the O...not anyone that qualifies...that keeps the contest prestigious and puts more meaning into the small shows because it forces bodybuilders to compete and gives the smaller shows more credence which brings in more fans which brings in more money...BTW...Only the top 3 in the Mr. O get qualifications for next year...
7. Any bodybuilder that guest poses looking like ass...gets fined for "putting the sport in  a negative light"...I know it sounds funny now but if it was cleaned up with would be needed..what does ass look like? See Kai Greene at 300lbs at 5'8 in the 3rd trimester...But with smaller and more "inshape" guys under the rules I put above it wouldn't be as much as a problem.
8.  Posing WILL BE JUDGED....No dancing or stripper routines...Best posing awards...3rd place 20k, 2nd, 40k and 1st 75k....Betcha you'd see some decent routines then...


This is a start....I could go on if needed...

[Meso_z]

What's sickening is the former head of this so-called sport died with 1 BILLION DOLLARS in his account...1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...

The top purse in bodybuilding is 200k...Hell, the total prize money from the Olympia (Mr., Ms., Fitness, Figure and now Bikini) doesn't even reach 1 Million...How much you want to bet most of that money comes from sponsors...if not all...FUCKING PATHETIC...

Like I stated in a post last week...when Arnold tried to raise the purse in his show Papa Joe said no because the Olympia was the most prestigious show and he wasn't going to raise the Olympia purse and at the time it was 110k I believe...

I won't speak ill of the dead or near dead...I'll leave it at that...

I don't think Phil Heath knows how much he has this "sport" by the balls..If he leaves who are they going to promote?  Kai?...Yea....No...he's a mess..Branch doesn't have a Mr. O physique, Jay is in the twilight of his career, Dexter is old...I see Cedric McMillan and that's it...Wolfe?  Um...no...Scent-of-panties?  Yeah, whenever he gets the urge to compete...What this "sport" needs is legit talent and contenders...It's not going to happen because people now there is no money to be made in this sport...You have to spend money to make it...and this "sport" is fucked up in so many ways now i couldn't tell you why anyone would ever want to get into it...I like bodybuilding but PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR COMPETITIVE bodybuilding SUCKS and HARD...Whenever I'm here in Vegas and I see some bright eyed 19 year old kid looking to "live the dream" I ensure I tell him the total truth about what to expect or in most cases....what not to expect...The internet was the worst thing to happen to this sport in terms of keeping the facade...and the best thing for fans or competitors to find out what really goes on...

We have voiced our opinions countless times and on many forums and they continue to be ignored...in no particular order...

1.  Change the posing trunks...
2.  Take the emphasis off shredded glutes...
3.  Really penalize those with ANY signs of guts, gyno, synthol or any other non-pleasing anomaly....and quantify this...e.g. 1 point added if: XXX
4.  Actually judge the show according to the way the old rules where written...Muscularity round, symmetry, posing, etc...doing this will weed out the guts, and 5'8 270lb barrels of garbage.
5.  Ban any kind of sexual displays...ass shaking and butt gyrating or anything else that can be defined as "faggotry"
6.  Prize money for last place in the O should be at least 25k and the top prize should be 500k...working its way up to 1 million over the course of 5 years...With that, there should only be 10 slots open for the O...not anyone that qualifies...that keeps the contest prestigious and puts more meaning into the small shows because it forces bodybuilders to compete and gives the smaller shows more credence which brings in more fans which brings in more money...BTW...Only the top 3 in the Mr. O get qualifications for next year...
7. Any bodybuilder that guest poses looking like ass...gets fined for "putting the sport in  a negative light"...I know it sounds funny now but if it was cleaned up with would be needed..what does ass look like? See Kai Greene at 300lbs at 5'8 in the 3rd trimester...But with smaller and more "inshape" guys under the rules I put above it wouldn't be as much as a problem.
8.  Posing WILL BE JUDGED....No dancing or stripper routines...Best posing awards...3rd place 20k, 2nd, 40k and 1st 75k....Betcha you'd see some decent routines then...


This is a start....I could go on if needed...

So you agree that people like kai have ruined pro bodybuilding.

[NaturalWonder83]

LOL...Interesting take.

Where do you get your facts from?

1. WPD will INCREASE the interest in women who like to lift weights without going to the extreme of FBB, and put many more athletes on stage, and butts in the seats

2. HUH?  Obviously, you werent at the Olympia this year....and supp companies come and go all the time, it's the nature of the business.

3. MPD....added to expand the brand to even more that like to compete and lift weights...opening up more opportunities to a wider audience...which only increases the exposure yo OUR world of BB

4. AMI and WEIDER are two different companies....Weider will be around a loooong time to come with Eric Weider at the helm, it's in good hands

youll be out of a job pretty soon bobby-say bye bye to your silly bodybuilding world
looks like u should have saved for your future instead of blowing your money on dumb clunker cars and ugly pirate costumes

[Wiggs]

So you agree that people like kai have ruined pro bodybuilding.

Fuck yes...

[wes]

What's sickening is the former head of this so-called sport died with 1 BILLION DOLLARS in his account...1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...

The top purse in bodybuilding is 200k...Hell, the total prize money from the Olympia (Mr., Ms., Fitness, Figure and now Bikini) doesn't even reach 1 Million...How much you want to bet most of that money comes from sponsors...if not all...FUCKING PATHETIC...

Like I stated in a post last week...when Arnold tried to raise the purse in his show Papa Joe said no because the Olympia was the most prestigious show and he wasn't going to raise the Olympia purse and at the time it was 110k I believe...

I won't speak ill of the dead or near dead...I'll leave it at that...

I don't think Phil Heath knows how much he has this "sport" by the balls..If he leaves who are they going to promote?  Kai?...Yea....No...he's a mess..Branch doesn't have a Mr. O physique, Jay is in the twilight of his career, Dexter is old...I see Cedric McMillan and that's it...Wolfe?  Um...no...Scent-of-panties?  Yeah, whenever he gets the urge to compete...What this "sport" needs is legit talent and contenders...It's not going to happen because people now there is no money to be made in this sport...You have to spend money to make it...and this "sport" is fucked up in so many ways now i couldn't tell you why anyone would ever want to get into it...I like bodybuilding but PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR COMPETITIVE bodybuilding SUCKS and HARD...Whenever I'm here in Vegas and I see some bright eyed 19 year old kid looking to "live the dream" I ensure I tell him the total truth about what to expect or in most cases....what not to expect...The internet was the worst thing to happen to this sport in terms of keeping the facade...and the best thing for fans or competitors to find out what really goes on...

We have voiced our opinions countless times and on many forums and they continue to be ignored...in no particular order...

1.  Change the posing trunks...
2.  Take the emphasis off shredded glutes...
3.  Really penalize those with ANY signs of guts, gyno, synthol or any other non-pleasing anomaly....and quantify this...e.g. 1 point added if: XXX
4.  Actually judge the show according to the way the old rules where written...Muscularity round, symmetry, posing, etc...doing this will weed out the guts, and 5'8 270lb barrels of garbage.
5.  Ban any kind of sexual displays...ass shaking and butt gyrating or anything else that can be defined as "faggotry"
6.  Prize money for last place in the O should be at least 25k and the top prize should be 500k...working its way up to 1 million over the course of 5 years...With that, there should only be 10 slots open for the O...not anyone that qualifies...that keeps the contest prestigious and puts more meaning into the small shows because it forces bodybuilders to compete and gives the smaller shows more credence which brings in more fans which brings in more money...BTW...Only the top 3 in the Mr. O get qualifications for next year...
7. Any bodybuilder that guest poses looking like ass...gets fined for "putting the sport in  a negative light"...I know it sounds funny now but if it was cleaned up with would be needed..what does ass look like? See Kai Greene at 300lbs at 5'8 in the 3rd trimester...But with smaller and more "inshape" guys under the rules I put above it wouldn't be as much as a problem.
8.  Posing WILL BE JUDGED....No dancing or stripper routines...Best posing awards...3rd place 20k, 2nd, 40k and 1st 75k....Betcha you'd see some decent routines then...


This is a start....I could go on if needed...

Good post Wiggs........sounds like a back to basics old school grassroots approach.

[Tapeworm]

[~UN_$ung~]

LOL...Interesting take.

Where do you get your facts from?


4. AMI and WEIDER are two different companies....Weider will be around a loooong time to come with Eric Weider at the helm, it's in good hands

yep, with a weider at the helm...........you definitely dont have to worry about any money leaking out to those pesky bodybuilders (you know, the backs the empire was built on)



joe and ben are two loathsome individuals.........soon joe will pass as well, no doubt with as much or more money in the bank then his brother.........and like jews do, he will of course set his family up..............but leave NOTHING to the sport he exploited

nothign, no insurance or health fund.......no raising of prize money..........NOTHING.. .......only exploitation



it is gut wrenching that  these two greedy lecherous old homosexuals are revered and not reviled by the bigger bodybuilding fan-base

[Meso_z]

no we dont, part of it

[caseyviator]

Yeah...actually you do.  It would be business suicide to ever believe that you never need to chnge anything, or move with the times.

You use the NFL , etc as a example...but they make change more often than anyone...despite the millions that come in.  No, they dont need to add "divisions", but they are  different animal all togetehr than BB....rule changes, uniform changes, playing in London, expanding the season, etc, etc....why make ANY change, right?  They were doing just fine as it was....

You use ONE guy to illustrate your point, while I can name 10 that have signed contracts as AMATEURS, or signed publication contracts as rookies....it's not even debatable that the money in pro BB is better now than ever in the history of the sport...

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH CHICK..actually getbig.com  is a perfect example it used to be only bodybuilders and wanna be soon bodybuilders/powerlifters would goto getbig or other boards.  but as it-
 meaning bodybuilding,,, has continued to gain popularity year by year, u also have the internet-talking heads who are little people and really know nothing about bodybuilding.  they never compete ,they hardly train.  but like on nfl message boards everyones got an opinion and they think they know better than the people with years n years in the sport and get paid to do it.

this is why u wanna expand all parts of the sport .as to gain more fans and more money   ie business 101!!!!
you have to understand you want everyone not just the hardcore as it was back in the mid 90s, when all it was was guys who competed or were gonna start competin.

just look at the getbig.com  buisness model its basic money makin 101. this is what bodybuilding is doin and why it will get bigger and bigger as it always, always has..

if you have been in the bodybuilding world for 20+ years this is very obvious that its bigger now than even when we had big arnold n franco....back in 1982 i did a theme paper for english on arnold s , and noone in the room even knew who he was...i predicted back then he would be a mega movie star and president in the future

[Thin Lizzy]

What's sickening is the former head of this so-called sport died with 1 BILLION DOLLARS in his account...1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...

Did he make all that money putting on bodybuilding shows or selling supps?

The latter has always been where the $$ is bodybuilding. You don't hear Lee Labrada whining about the Weiders. He started his own company and got rich.

Bodybuilders don't get rich competing because they don't put asses in the seats.

[mass243]

LOL @ everybody claiming bodybuilders don't make money.

You keep comparing pro bb to football, basketball etc professional leagues... That's the case in America. Pretty much everywhere else for example basketball players barely earn anything.
And there is tons of sports where athletes earn probably less than bodybuilders. Take some fucking swimming; not much money involved. Same goes with most of track and field athletes... few make decent money, rest of them barely anything. World class javelin thrower (done good in numerous events, wone bronze in Olympics in 2008, world champion 2007) made about 200k a year in 2008 when he was at the top...

And these are just few examples.
I can't understand why you guys are whining about money that top bodybuilders make! It's pretty decent money when you take in count how small this sport actually is.

Of course only thing I would change in pro bb is the prize money. They deserve more. But that's not making them the worst paid athletes in world... far from that.

[Reeves]

No.  Bodydoping sucks big time.  With but a few differences in our opinions on this matter, Sir Wiggs is correctomundo.

One problem is that few outside HomoLand care to see bloated turds in thongs. Family and friends come to mind, but unless you're one of those it's not likely your gonna wanna be dragged to what amounts to a festival of fags more than once in your lifetime.

I hate drugs in bodydoping.  It's fake muscle that leaves quickly once you get off.  Worse still, there's far too much of it.  Again, Wiggs is right but I seriously doubt anyone of these floaters is going to be penalized much less banned so long as Cirque du SoGhey (aka: the Size Queen audience) pays the bills.  Homosexuality is disgusting. Schmoe-ism either for dope and oil filled men or "women" is rampant within this pastime.  It's NOT a sport.   Not remotely and anyone that thinks so is athletically and mentally challenged.  And probably a striated gluteous loving, penis or penoris craving wussbag of a person.  A schmomosexual.

Until normal people gain control of this hobby, it will continue to be nothing more than a festival for the testicles.  Homos gone wild.  If that's what you want, you know who you are.  There's no way in Hell I'd pay good money for that crap.

And for the record, there's only one Arnold, but fuck that idiot semi-liberal political turncoat.   There's no way in Hades I'd ever vote for him for President and thank the Buddha that twat-waffle can't run for that office.  He's shown he's a RINO and the only things he's really conservative with are his own family and money.

Oh, yeah.  Wiggster pretty much has it nailed. 

[Azure]

What's sickening is the former head of this so-called sport died with 1 BILLION DOLLARS in his account...1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...

The top purse in bodybuilding is 200k...Hell, the total prize money from the Olympia (Mr., Ms., Fitness, Figure and now Bikini) doesn't even reach 1 Million...How much you want to bet most of that money comes from sponsors...if not all...FUCKING PATHETIC...

Like I stated in a post last week...when Arnold tried to raise the purse in his show Papa Joe said no because the Olympia was the most prestigious show and he wasn't going to raise the Olympia purse and at the time it was 110k I believe...

I won't speak ill of the dead or near dead...I'll leave it at that...

I don't think Phil Heath knows how much he has this "sport" by the balls..If he leaves who are they going to promote?  Kai?...Yea....No...he's a mess..Branch doesn't have a Mr. O physique, Jay is in the twilight of his career, Dexter is old...I see Cedric McMillan and that's it...Wolfe?  Um...no...Scent-of-panties?  Yeah, whenever he gets the urge to compete...What this "sport" needs is legit talent and contenders...It's not going to happen because people now there is no money to be made in this sport...You have to spend money to make it...and this "sport" is fucked up in so many ways now i couldn't tell you why anyone would ever want to get into it...I like bodybuilding but PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR COMPETITIVE bodybuilding SUCKS and HARD...Whenever I'm here in Vegas and I see some bright eyed 19 year old kid looking to "live the dream" I ensure I tell him the total truth about what to expect or in most cases....what not to expect...The internet was the worst thing to happen to this sport in terms of keeping the facade...and the best thing for fans or competitors to find out what really goes on...

We have voiced our opinions countless times and on many forums and they continue to be ignored...in no particular order...

1.  Change the posing trunks...
2.  Take the emphasis off shredded glutes...
3.  Really penalize those with ANY signs of guts, gyno, synthol or any other non-pleasing anomaly....and quantify this...e.g. 1 point added if: XXX
4.  Actually judge the show according to the way the old rules where written...Muscularity round, symmetry, posing, etc...doing this will weed out the guts, and 5'8 270lb barrels of garbage.
5.  Ban any kind of sexual displays...ass shaking and butt gyrating or anything else that can be defined as "faggotry"
6.  Prize money for last place in the O should be at least 25k and the top prize should be 500k...working its way up to 1 million over the course of 5 years...With that, there should only be 10 slots open for the O...not anyone that qualifies...that keeps the contest prestigious and puts more meaning into the small shows because it forces bodybuilders to compete and gives the smaller shows more credence which brings in more fans which brings in more money...BTW...Only the top 3 in the Mr. O get qualifications for next year...
7. Any bodybuilder that guest poses looking like ass...gets fined for "putting the sport in  a negative light"...I know it sounds funny now but if it was cleaned up with would be needed..what does ass look like? See Kai Greene at 300lbs at 5'8 in the 3rd trimester...But with smaller and more "inshape" guys under the rules I put above it wouldn't be as much as a problem.
8.  Posing WILL BE JUDGED....No dancing or stripper routines...Best posing awards...3rd place 20k, 2nd, 40k and 1st 75k....Betcha you'd see some decent routines then...


This is a start....I could go on if needed...

Great post.

There is no real money to be made for what people put themselves through.  The drugs, the food, the gurus all cost money.  It's a lose-win situation. Talk to most former competitors and they will tell you it wasn't worth it.

[DK II]

What's sickening is the former head of this so-called sport died with 1 BILLION DOLLARS in his account...1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...

The top purse in bodybuilding is 200k...Hell, the total prize money from the Olympia (Mr., Ms., Fitness, Figure and now Bikini) doesn't even reach 1 Million...How much you want to bet most of that money comes from sponsors...if not all...FUCKING PATHETIC...

Like I stated in a post last week...when Arnold tried to raise the purse in his show Papa Joe said no because the Olympia was the most prestigious show and he wasn't going to raise the Olympia purse and at the time it was 110k I believe...

I won't speak ill of the dead or near dead...I'll leave it at that...

I don't think Phil Heath knows how much he has this "sport" by the balls..If he leaves who are they going to promote?  Kai?...Yea....No...he's a mess..Branch doesn't have a Mr. O physique, Jay is in the twilight of his career, Dexter is old...I see Cedric McMillan and that's it...Wolfe?  Um...no...Scent-of-panties?  Yeah, whenever he gets the urge to compete...What this "sport" needs is legit talent and contenders...It's not going to happen because people now there is no money to be made in this sport...You have to spend money to make it...and this "sport" is fucked up in so many ways now i couldn't tell you why anyone would ever want to get into it...I like bodybuilding but PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR COMPETITIVE bodybuilding SUCKS and HARD...Whenever I'm here in Vegas and I see some bright eyed 19 year old kid looking to "live the dream" I ensure I tell him the total truth about what to expect or in most cases....what not to expect...The internet was the worst thing to happen to this sport in terms of keeping the facade...and the best thing for fans or competitors to find out what really goes on...

We have voiced our opinions countless times and on many forums and they continue to be ignored...in no particular order...

1.  Change the posing trunks...
2.  Take the emphasis off shredded glutes...
3.  Really penalize those with ANY signs of guts, gyno, synthol or any other non-pleasing anomaly....and quantify this...e.g. 1 point added if: XXX
4.  Actually judge the show according to the way the old rules where written...Muscularity round, symmetry, posing, etc...doing this will weed out the guts, and 5'8 270lb barrels of garbage.
5.  Ban any kind of sexual displays...ass shaking and butt gyrating or anything else that can be defined as "faggotry"
6.  Prize money for last place in the O should be at least 25k and the top prize should be 500k...working its way up to 1 million over the course of 5 years...With that, there should only be 10 slots open for the O...not anyone that qualifies...that keeps the contest prestigious and puts more meaning into the small shows because it forces bodybuilders to compete and gives the smaller shows more credence which brings in more fans which brings in more money...BTW...Only the top 3 in the Mr. O get qualifications for next year...
7. Any bodybuilder that guest poses looking like ass...gets fined for "putting the sport in  a negative light"...I know it sounds funny now but if it was cleaned up with would be needed..what does ass look like? See Kai Greene at 300lbs at 5'8 in the 3rd trimester...But with smaller and more "inshape" guys under the rules I put above it wouldn't be as much as a problem.
8.  Posing WILL BE JUDGED....No dancing or stripper routines...Best posing awards...3rd place 20k, 2nd, 40k and 1st 75k....Betcha you'd see some decent routines then...


This is a start....I could go on if needed...

good post!

[Thin Lizzy]

Of course only thing I would change in pro bb is the prize money.

The NY Pro is held in a 1000 seat venue. If you do the math, it's easy to see why the prize money is so small.

[cyp200la]

bodybuilding a sport. lmao

[OneMoreRep]

Wiggs,

You've made some excellent points with your list.  Only issue I have is with number five.  You, as well as anyone else, know that there is a strong homosexual influence in this sport.  Why would you try to ban anything that displays or insinuates faggotry?

Why would this industry bite the hand that feeds them?
"1"

[BIG_STI]

Watch it guys this thread will be gone soon, manion or one of the other head schmoes will be on the phone with Bob or Ron screaming at them to delete this thread or they won't get a press pass at the next Olympia