Do we really need pro bodybuilding?

[Wiggs]

Wiggs,

You've made some excellent points with your list.  Only issue I have is with number five.  You, as well as anyone else, know that there is a strong homosexual influence in this sport.  Why would you try to ban anything that displays or insinuates faggotry?

Why would this industry bite the hand that feeds them?
"1"

Rep...By "faggotry" I meant the way Getbig defines it...I meant no offense to actual homosexuals...I'd like to take any blatant or insinuated sexuality out of the sport and bring it back to an art form....Most of Kai's posing routines I like but when I could care less about the upside down butt gyrating thing...His 09 Arnold routine was incredible minus what I said...I understand people can debate what is sexual in nature and what is not...that's fine...Blatant things we can start with...it's offensive to some people in the audience and not necessary...those that wish obtain any sexual gratification can use their imagination...

Bodybuilding could be so much better than it is, I don't understand why those in power wouldn't want to see the sport improve unless they had their own motives, just didn't care or can't see the big picture...Not that he'd ever do this cause I doubt he cares as much as we do but Arnold is the only one that could really do something.

[Wiggs]

Watch it guys this thread will be gone soon, manion or one of the other head schmoes will be on the phone with Bob or Ron screaming at them to delete this thread or they won't get a press pass at the next Olympia

I don't understand why...I think for the most part the thread is tasteful...We are looking out for the best interest of the sport...The old guard's time has past...If I had the money, I would put my money were my mouth was...

[Wiggs]

One more thing...as much as I like having the Olympia in my hometown...It needs to move around to different states AND COUNTRIES...

The least the Weiders could have done (if it's not already done and I just didn't know about it) is invest some money into creating a bodybuilding Hall of Fame Building...(more than likely in Venice)...Like Baseball (obviously not as much money)...I think that'd be really nice.

[mass243]

One more thing...as much as I like having the Olympia in my hometown...It needs to move around to different states AND COUNTRIES...

Might be my memory playing tricks but wasn't that actually the case for many many many years???

Are you ridiculously young or have you dementia?

[Wiggs]

Might be my memory playing tricks but wasn't that actually the case for many many many years???

Are you ridiculously young or have you dementia?

Yes of course it was...1998 was the last time it was in another place outside Las Vegas (New York)...I'm saying it should go back to that.  Like the Superbowl, there are a list of different set venues they chose from...it should rotate...Las Vegas, Somewhere in Cali, Somewhere in Texas, Somewhere on the East Coast...Somewhere in Germany, Somewhere in Great Britain...Research would have to be done to find the most viable places...I'm just giving examples from the top of my head...

[mass243]

Yes of course it was...1998 was the last time it was in another place outside Las Vegas (New York)...I'm saying it should go back to that.  Like the Superbowl, there are a list of different set venues they chose from...it should rotate...Las Vegas, Somewhere in Cali, Somewhere in Texas, Somewhere on the East Coast...Somewhere in Germany, Somewhere in Great Britain...Research would have to be done to find the most viable places...I'm just giving examples from the top of my head...

Good to know your memory is still functioning  

Seriously; Not a bad idea IMO. But one must wonder what were the reasons why Olympia was 'permanently' located in Las Vegas!
What was the explanation given at the time? I can't remember... For sure there must have been some reason?

Back in the day Olympia was held in some very random places like Finland where the fan base isn't large enough. So as you said some serious research must be done to find best places... otherwise Mr O 2015 is held in some fkin' Somalia    

[Ex Coelis]

faggotry should indeed be kept a minimum

[takohorse]

as a disheartened figure competitor, i am truly excited about the addition of the WPD - although the name leaves something to be desired... i used to do "bodybuilding" but found that without an insane amount of drugs, i could never really be competitive with whats on stage now.. for a small time, the figure has given me a place to be - although i absolutely hate where its going.. there is no commonality of judging.. one show, a girl that is soft and never lifted a weight before will win, the next - a ripped and hard one takes it.. its too much of a guessing game. there is no fairness and equality, no way to know what the judges are looking for.. the WPD should fit me much better, because i put on muscle easily, with very minimal drug help - and the ones i do work with are more for the fat control vs size/strength, so i like to think that i have kept my womanly face and features while bringing some fairly hardcore muscle to the table.. in this new division, i hope to bring back the sensuality of those great names from the 80s, early 90s like rachel, cory, anja, etc.. i can actually see a light at the end of my competitive tunnel - maybe i have a chance to become pro with the WPD - because unless i get some dirt on my knees for these ball holding judges, i will never place in their clique-ish figure shows.

i sincerely hope too tho, that mens BB stays in place, but goes back to its core beliefs - the men will never shrink down to arnolds size again, but if they could once again bring quality to the stage, i think it would help boost momentum.. arnold was special cause the average joe could look at him and think, 'with a ton of hard work and dedication, maybe i could look like that'.. he helped build excitement with personality and machismo, along with being a freak.. now, all anyone can say is 'wow! those guys are huge! how much drugs did it take to get there?"   i am a die hard fan for this sport, but it needs to have a human element brought back to it. i do think that the mens side should stick to bodybuilding specifically, but thats just the snob in me coming out.. lol (i do like the muscle on my mans..) i think the women need more options because not everyone wants to go do a gymnastic routine, or become an ape.. we need some options. and i highly highly agree that the $$ needs to be put back into the athletes, across the board. more support to those up n comers.. more stringent ideals to get someone winning and qualified. smaller groups in the olympia, maybe even the arnold.. make people work for it.. just my thoughts.. im excited on where this sport is going - or has the chance to go to. and i thank bob for his work and dedication to it too.. there are some good peeps out there..

[chaos]

as a disheartened figure competitor, i am truly excited about the addition of the WPD - although the name leaves something to be desired... i used to do "bodybuilding" but found that without an insane amount of drugs, i could never really be competitive with whats on stage now.. for a small time, the figure has given me a place to be - although i absolutely hate where its going.. there is no commonality of judging.. one show, a girl that is soft and never lifted a weight before will win, the next - a ripped and hard one takes it.. its too much of a guessing game. there is no fairness and equality, no way to know what the judges are looking for.. the WPD should fit me much better, because i put on muscle easily, with very minimal drug help - and the ones i do work with are more for the fat control vs size/strength, so i like to think that i have kept my womanly face and features while bringing some fairly hardcore muscle to the table.. in this new division, i hope to bring back the sensuality of those great names from the 80s, early 90s like rachel, cory, anja, etc.. i can actually see a light at the end of my competitive tunnel - maybe i have a chance to become pro with the WPD - because unless i get some dirt on my knees for these ball holding judges, i will never place in their clique-ish figure shows.

i sincerely hope too tho, that mens BB stays in place, but goes back to its core beliefs - the men will never shrink down to arnolds size again, but if they could once again bring quality to the stage, i think it would help boost momentum.. arnold was special cause the average joe could look at him and think, 'with a ton of hard work and dedication, maybe i could look like that'.. he helped build excitement with personality and machismo, along with being a freak.. now, all anyone can say is 'wow! those guys are huge! how much drugs did it take to get there?"   i am a die hard fan for this sport, but it needs to have a human element brought back to it. i do think that the mens side should stick to bodybuilding specifically, but thats just the snob in me coming out.. lol (i do like the muscle on my mans..) i think the women need more options because not everyone wants to go do a gymnastic routine, or become an ape.. we need some options. and i highly highly agree that the $$ needs to be put back into the athletes, across the board. more support to those up n comers.. more stringent ideals to get someone winning and qualified. smaller groups in the olympia, maybe even the arnold.. make people work for it.. just my thoughts.. im excited on where this sport is going - or has the chance to go to. and i thank bob for his work and dedication to it too.. there are some good peeps out there..

Post a face pic, let getbig judge if you've kept your femininity.

Or are you scared there will be repercussions from the IFBB if you do?

[OneMoreRep]

i used to do "bodybuilding" but found that without an insane amount of drugs, i could never really be competitive with whats on stage now..

That's how most men in bodybuilding feel as well.  Guys who win a couple of NPC local competitions take a look at national level NPC competitors and then realize that in order to even get as far as those other guys, they will seriously need to up their dosage. 

i sincerely hope too tho, that mens BB stays in place, but goes back to its core beliefs - the men will never shrink down to arnolds size again, but if they could once again bring quality to the stage, i think it would help boost momentum.. arnold was special cause the average joe could look at him and think, 'with a ton of hard work and dedication, maybe i could look like that'.. he helped build excitement with personality and machismo, along with being a freak..

Back in the 70's and 80's, no average joe ever thought he could like Arnold with enough work and dedication.  To those folks back then (Yeah, back in the time where the average American man looked like a member of the BeeGees) Arnold looked like the equivalent of what Ronnie now looks to us.  There were aspects of Arnold that many could attain with a decent amount of hard work (i.e. his forearms), but, on average, no one thought they could get to Arnold's level.

now, all anyone can say is 'wow! those guys are huge! how much drugs did it take to get there?"   i am a die hard fan for this sport, but it needs to have a human element brought back to it. i do think that the mens side should stick to bodybuilding specifically, but thats just the snob in me coming out.. lol (i do like the muscle on my mans..) i think the women need more options because not everyone wants to go do a gymnastic routine, or become an ape..

That's exactly how many professional bodybuilders also feel.  Guys like Martinez and Shawn Ray never wanted to look like Apes, but had to up their dosages and sacrifice the same look that got them their pro cards to begin with.  Guys like Chick never wanted to lose their classic lines.  You think Arnold looks at these modern day pros and considers them aesthetically pleasing?  He is probably disgusted. 

"1"

[Colossus_1986]

No.  Bodydoping sucks big time.  With but a few differences in our opinions on this matter, Sir Wiggs is correctomundo.

One problem is that few outside HomoLand care to see bloated turds in thongs. Family and friends come to mind, but unless you're one of those it's not likely your gonna wanna be dragged to what amounts to a festival of fags more than once in your lifetime.

I hate drugs in bodydoping.  It's fake muscle that leaves quickly once you get off.  Worse still, there's far too much of it.  Again, Wiggs is right but I seriously doubt anyone of these floaters is going to be penalized much less banned so long as Cirque du SoGhey (aka: the Size Queen audience) pays the bills.  Homosexuality is disgusting. Schmoe-ism either for dope and oil filled men or "women" is rampant within this pastime.  It's NOT a sport.   Not remotely and anyone that thinks so is athletically and mentally challenged.  And probably a striated gluteous loving, penis or penoris craving wussbag of a person.  A schmomosexual.

Until normal people gain control of this hobby, it will continue to be nothing more than a festival for the testicles.  Homos gone wild.  If that's what you want, you know who you are.  There's no way in Hell I'd pay good money for that crap.

And for the record, there's only one Arnold, but fuck that idiot semi-liberal political turncoat.   There's no way in Hades I'd ever vote for him for President and thank the Buddha that twat-waffle can't run for that office.  He's shown he's a RINO and the only things he's really conservative with are his own family and money.

Oh, yeah.  Wiggster pretty much has it nailed. 

wow where do i start with this?
I can't tell if you're having a meltdown...or you're just an attention-whore thinking your little puns are funny.

If you truly feel this way, i suggest you try another forum. (Preferably not bodybuilding related) because from what im reading you can't stand homosexuals.
nor be around them. Plus factor in the point you made about "Fake muscle"   .... Id love to see you get a new federation off the ground where the athletes are drug tested-and purely hetero...because technically...if you made everyone on stage PROOVE they're hetero, you and the entire audience watching men in truncs isn't gonna be the least bit gay...yeah...way to go dickhead.  

Not a sport...i can tell you just like to go to the gym and are aspiring to maybe one day compete. to that i reply "do it". and im being real here.
compete in bodybuilding, and do it PROPERLY (dont pull a Goodrum) and then see if you still feel the same way...

Although...you might not do it. you'll never get the grasp of what this SPORT is all about. how the people involved learn to respect eachother because we all work hard and aim to better ourselves... Its a sport where you and you alone can better yourself, and you set goals, and work hard towards them. learn discipline, learn your body, and appreciate that our bodies can do some pretty incredible things.

you'll probably be a shmoe trolling these boards in 15 years....reminiscing about the past and sounding like MANY people i've heard before " OH YEAH WELL...I WAS GONNA COMPETE BUT..." or  "IF I WOULD HAVE STEPPED ON STAGE BACK IN THE DAY I WOULD HAVE SHOWN THEM..."

but you'd probably use your TOO MANY FAGS excuse, or TOO MANY DRUGGED UP ATHLETES scenario...wtv.

Homos have been around for a fuckin long time...(its not gonna change, only get "worse") i mean hell, you probably have a few family member or two that came out of the closet and maybe that's why you're so bitter... don't take it out on bodybuilding, coupled with the fact you probably have a sub-par physique with a sub-par work ethic...

it boggles the mind why you even post here...but if you look at the sport and see TOO MUCH DRUGS...(you're a small little fruitcake and got small-man complex) and if the sport looks too gay to you...well than that's just your opinion, its 2010...unless you come from the south or are frequenting the baptist church, you're just naive, and shouldn't follow a sport like this (which is very ON THE FENCE in terms of how its perceived by general public, so you might wanna stick with football or something more "safe" for your image since you have issues with gayness.). - that in itself is gayer than... hahaha ok ill stop now.

to the rest of getbig, sorry i had to go in on this douche, the opportunity to put him in his place and him never recovering was too great!

PS - MELTDOWN!

PS- don't diss the oak  

[delta9mda]

men in thongs is serious business and not something to be taken lightly.

[Reeves]

wow where do i start with this?
I can't tell if you're having a meltdown...or you're just an attention-whore thinking your little puns are funny.

If you truly feel this way, i suggest you try another forum. (Preferably not bodybuilding related) because from what im reading you can't stand homosexuals.
nor be around them. Plus factor in the point you made about "Fake muscle"  .... Id love to see you get a new federation off the ground where the athletes are drug tested-and purely hetero...because technically...if you made everyone on stage PROOVE they're hetero, you and the entire audience watching men in truncs isn't gonna be the least bit gay...yeah...way to go dickhead. 

Not a sport...i can tell you just like to go to the gym and are aspiring to maybe one day compete. to that i reply "do it". and im being real here.
compete in bodybuilding, and do it PROPERLY (dont pull a Goodrum) and then see if you still feel the same way...

Although...you might not do it. you'll never get the grasp of what this SPORT is all about. how the people involved learn to respect eachother because we all work hard and aim to better ourselves... Its a sport where you and you alone can better yourself, and you set goals, and work hard towards them. learn discipline, learn your body, and appreciate that our bodies can do some pretty incredible things.

you'll probably be a shmoe trolling these boards in 15 years....reminiscing about the past and sounding like MANY people i've heard before " OH YEAH WELL...I WAS GONNA COMPETE BUT..." or  "IF I WOULD HAVE STEPPED ON STAGE BACK IN THE DAY I WOULD HAVE SHOWN THEM..."

but you'd probably use your TOO MANY FAGS excuse, or TOO MANY DRUGGED UP ATHLETES scenario...wtv.

Homos have been around for a fuckin long time...(its not gonna change, only get "worse") i mean hell, you probably have a few family member or two that came out of the closet and maybe that's why you're so bitter... don't take it out on bodybuilding, coupled with the fact you probably have a sub-par physique with a sub-par work ethic...

it boggles the mind why you even post here...but if you look at the sport and see TOO MUCH DRUGS...(you're a small little fruitcake and got small-man complex) and if the sport looks too gay to you...well than that's just your opinion, its 2010...unless you come from the south or are frequenting the baptist church, you're just naive, and shouldn't follow a sport like this (which is very ON THE FENCE in terms of how its perceived by general public, so you might wanna stick with football or something more "safe" for your image since you have issues with gayness.). - that in itself is gayer than... hahaha ok ill stop now.

to the rest of getbig, sorry i had to go in on this douche, the opportunity to put him in his place and him never recovering was too great!

PS - MELTDOWN!

PS- don't diss the oak 

Is everyone in your family "special" like you or did they sterilize your mother and her brother right after you were born?  Meltdown? Typical response from a sheeple of GetBig.  Lookie here Tennessee Tuxedo, it's like this.  I am not the one you are looking for.  This isn't the film "Taken" and outside of biting off  the heads of live gophers for shots of cheap whiskey, you don't possess a particular set of skills.  In other words...

Holy Buddha, but you are ignorant.

[Chick]

Is everyone in your family "special" like you or did they sterilize your mother and her brother right after you were born?  Meltdown? Typical response from a sheeple of GetBig.  Lookie here Tennessee Tuxedo, it's like this.  I am not the one you are looking for.  This isn't the film "Taken" and outside of biting off  the heads of live gophers for shots of cheap whiskey, you don't possess a particular set of skills...

LOL..Tennessee Tuxedo...you must be around my age. Few here are going to know what you're talking about Chumley!

[chaos]

LOL..Tennessee Tuxedo...you must be around my age. Few here are going to know what you're talking about Chumley!

Why would you call Reeves an old man? He did nothing to you.

[Reeves]

LOL..Tennessee Tuxedo...you must be around my age. Few here are going to know what you're talking about Chumley!

Yup.  I am most likely much older than you and I suspect you're in much better shape than I.  Thanks again for that excellent clip in the Memory Lane thread.  People say we can't go back, but if what has happend is going forward, I'm firing up the Way-Back Machine. 

[Chick]

Well, I'l be 45 in a few weeks...but those old cartoons were the best!  Guess thats why they're called the "good ol days"....makes me wonder if in 20 years, they'll call these days, the good ol days....

Glad I grew up when I did...

[takohorse]

yah ill post a pic. just have to save one to this computer, may take a while.. have a 3 yr old that tends to take my time.; 

[Colossus_1986]

Is everyone in your family "special" like you or did they sterilize your mother and her brother right after you were born?  Meltdown? Typical response from a sheeple of GetBig.  Lookie here Tennessee Tuxedo, it's like this.  I am not the one you are looking for.  This isn't the film "Taken" and outside of biting off  the heads of live gophers for shots of cheap whiskey, you don't possess a particular set of skills.  In other words...

Holy Buddha, but you are ignorant.

holy shit you even gave me a nickname! i didnt see that one coming  

So here's the deal.
you come on a bodybuilding forum, and in your post haven't said anything remotely positive about bodybuilding.
You use your personal "hate" for homosexuals to blow everything out of proportion in your statements...
look just because Kai Green does some fucked up routines (and Will Harris @ the olympia 3 years back),
doesn't mean every bodybuilder goes home at night to bang a grapefruit.

just because many people who go to bodybuilding shows, (and also compete) are gay...doesn't mean a damn thing.
you probably come across them all day long...yet when bodybuilding comes up, you're bitching about it being a gayfest or wtv
dumb quirky word you use to describe it...honestly what did you expect, great physiques and barely any clothes, its kind of a no-brainer that gay guys would
crash the party eventually especially for a "smart" guy like you... homos are everywhere...it sucks i know, but grow the fuck up seriously.

now onto drugs. you can go on day and night about that. fact is, time and time again bodybuilders (both amateur and pro) have shown
us that you can take all the drugs you want, it wont necessarily make you the best one there (given genetics, training, diet, work-ethic etc etc...)
If you want to blame the athlete, go ahead, but in the end it's the judges who make the calls. if they award freaks, then more freaks will follow in order to
gain a victory, if you change the mandate, and ask for a different look, things will follow accordingly.
but in the end, drugs or no drugs, a bodybuilder has to push him/herself to the limit to get on stage. Drugs dont always make it easier when you factor in training and eating accordingly in order to properly sustain your "fake muscle tissue"
its like comparing maintenance on a Honda Civic / vs / Lamborghini (takes a little more time/effort & money to do the upkeep on high-end machines)

I dont know where you see bodybuilding going in the next few years, and im sure you would love to have it your way...but your comments in your original
post dont even seem to show the slightest hint of respect or appreciation for bodybuilding, which poses the question, just what the fuck is your point being here?!

[Meso_z]

wow where do i start with this?
I can't tell if you're having a meltdown...or you're just an attention-whore thinking your little puns are funny.

If you truly feel this way, i suggest you try another forum. (Preferably not bodybuilding related) because from what im reading you can't stand homosexuals.
nor be around them. Plus factor in the point you made about "Fake muscle"   .... Id love to see you get a new federation off the ground where the athletes are drug tested-and purely hetero...because technically...if you made everyone on stage PROOVE they're hetero, you and the entire audience watching men in truncs isn't gonna be the least bit gay...yeah...way to go dickhead.  

Not a sport...i can tell you just like to go to the gym and are aspiring to maybe one day compete. to that i reply "do it". and im being real here.
compete in bodybuilding, and do it PROPERLY (dont pull a Goodrum) and then see if you still feel the same way...

Although...you might not do it. you'll never get the grasp of what this SPORT is all about. how the people involved learn to respect eachother because we all work hard and aim to better ourselves... Its a sport where you and you alone can better yourself, and you set goals, and work hard towards them. learn discipline, learn your body, and appreciate that our bodies can do some pretty incredible things.

you'll probably be a shmoe trolling these boards in 15 years....reminiscing about the past and sounding like MANY people i've heard before " OH YEAH WELL...I WAS GONNA COMPETE BUT..." or  "IF I WOULD HAVE STEPPED ON STAGE BACK IN THE DAY I WOULD HAVE SHOWN THEM..."

but you'd probably use your TOO MANY FAGS excuse, or TOO MANY DRUGGED UP ATHLETES scenario...wtv.

Homos have been around for a fuckin long time...(its not gonna change, only get "worse") i mean hell, you probably have a few family member or two that came out of the closet and maybe that's why you're so bitter... don't take it out on bodybuilding, coupled with the fact you probably have a sub-par physique with a sub-par work ethic...

it boggles the mind why you even post here...but if you look at the sport and see TOO MUCH DRUGS...(you're a small little fruitcake and got small-man complex) and if the sport looks too gay to you...well than that's just your opinion, its 2010...unless you come from the south or are frequenting the baptist church, you're just naive, and shouldn't follow a sport like this (which is very ON THE FENCE in terms of how its perceived by general public, so you might wanna stick with football or something more "safe" for your image since you have issues with gayness.). - that in itself is gayer than... hahaha ok ill stop now.

to the rest of getbig, sorry i had to go in on this douche, the opportunity to put him in his place and him never recovering was too great!

PS - MELTDOWN!

PS- don't diss the oak  

SPOT ON.

People who dont think bbing as a sport, they simply dont follow the "competition" part. I dont blame them. I just leave them to their ignorance.

But what can we do to make bbing better, as a sport..

[DK II]

Might be my memory playing tricks but wasn't that actually the case for many many many years???

Are you ridiculously young or have you dementia?

Yes, and i don't get it why that stopped.

For example, you have the biggest Fitness & Bodybuilding fair, the FIBO in Essen, Germany. Why not do this again?
I think you could have a lot of BB fans all over Europe coming to Essen.

[stormshadow]

Yeah...actually you do.  It would be business suicide to ever believe that you never need to chnge anything, or move with the times.

You use the NFL , etc as a example...but they make change more often than anyone...despite the millions that come in.  No, they dont need to add "divisions", but they are  different animal all togetehr than BB....rule changes, uniform changes, playing in London, expanding the season, etc, etc....why make ANY change, right?  They were doing just fine as it was....

You use ONE guy to illustrate your point, while I can name 10 that have signed contracts as AMATEURS, or signed publication contracts as rookies....it's not even debatable that the money in pro BB is better now than ever in the history of the sport...

Bob is Correct!  Look at all the players wearing fucking pink to support breast cancer awareness.  What a joke.  An all male sport where players are prancing around in pink to cater to a fan base of women.... Because everyone knows that women are fucking dumb asses that feel good by spending men's money in anyway possible.  Only a fool would pass on the opportunity to capitalize on a female fan base.

[takohorse]

Because everyone knows that women are fucking dumb asses that feel good by spending men's money in anyway possible.  Only a fool would pass on the opportunity to capitalize on a female fan base.

wow.. what a generalized statement about women.. way to go there, im sure ur a real winner.. i am not a football fan, aside from supporting it for my husbands sake.. nor am i proponent of finding the cure for cancer - any sort of it.. there have been cures and the fda and insurance companies wont ever pass on it.. THEY are the ones that gain from the "fundraising for research"... they will never want to find a cure..  i have seen the football players in pink tho and i, being a "fucking dumb ass woman" think it was silly and odd to have them do that.. but then again i am not at the helm of either organization and dont take credit for their ideas.. so, i think u are on track with your questioning of this latest nfl practice, but damn man, be a little smarter about how u word it.. not all women are greedy or "dumb asses", just like not all men are chauvinistic dicks.. get my drift? unless u are the latter - which hell, maybe u are - i would think this piece of intelligence would be commonplace.

[Tapeworm]

Because everyone knows that women are fucking dumb asses that feel good by spending men's money in anyway possible.  Only a fool would pass on the opportunity to capitalize on a female fan base.

wow.. what a generalized statement about women.. way to go there, im sure ur a real winner.. i am not a football fan, aside from supporting it for my husbands sake.. nor am i proponent of finding the cure for cancer - any sort of it.. there have been cures and the fda and insurance companies wont ever pass on it.. THEY are the ones that gain from the "fundraising for research"... they will never want to find a cure..  i have seen the football players in pink tho and i, being a "fucking dumb ass woman" think it was silly and odd to have them do that.. but then again i am not at the helm of either organization and dont take credit for their ideas.. so, i think u are on track with your questioning of this latest nfl practice, but damn man, be a little smarter about how u word it.. not all women are greedy or "dumb asses", just like not all men are chauvinistic dicks.. get my drift? unless u are the latter - which hell, maybe u are - i would think this piece of intelligence would be commonplace.

Have to agree... except for the tinfoil hat conspiracy about cancer cures.  Come on now.  I'll agree that diet and lifestyle changes ought to get pushed more but no one has a magic pill locked in a vault somewhere.

[takohorse]

no magic pill.. but there have been treatments and medications that have been shown to cure cancer.. they get brushed under the carpet pretty quickly by the criminals that run insurance companies. i saw this first hand as a paramedic.. i will never ever give money to research for cancer.. it makes me sick to think our government et al would rather keep this century's worst plague going rather than actually really find a cure. if u think about it too, we have people like bill gates and his billions (who does good work and philanthropy with his $$) and all this research and fundraising money - where the hell has it gotten us? we can split an atom and kill millions with the push of a button but we cant find a cure for cancer?  there seems to be a kink in the armour here.. i just cant agree that a cure is hasnt been found when we have great minds and great amounts of $$ AND technology.. so i dunno.. i dont mean to be on a soapbox but (while it is humerous) im just not sure i want to see football in pink..  lol   its gone too far..