Do we really need pro bodybuilding?

[DK II]

no magic pill.. but there have been treatments and medications that have been shown to cure cancer.. they get brushed under the carpet pretty quickly by the criminals that run insurance companies. i saw this first hand as a paramedic.. i will never ever give money to research for cancer.. it makes me sick to think our government et al would rather keep this century's worst plague going rather than actually really find a cure. if u think about it too, we have people like bill gates and his billions (who does good work and philanthropy with his $$) and all this research and fundraising money - where the hell has it gotten us? we can split an atom and kill millions with the push of a button but we cant find a cure for cancer?  there seems to be a kink in the armour here.. i just cant agree that a cure is hasnt been found when we have great minds and great amounts of $$ AND technology.. so i dunno.. i dont mean to be on a soapbox but (while it is humerous) im just not sure i want to see football in pink..  lol   its gone too far..

Damn, you should PM Johnny Falcon, he's your lost twin brother.

[takohorse]

i dont know who that is.

[DK II]

i dont know who that is.

How could you, he's your LOST twin brother, remember.

Shoot him a PM about cancer cure, you will get a LOT of info on the topic.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=14297

[Tapeworm]

there have been treatments and medications that have been shown to cure cancer.. they get brushed under the carpet pretty quickly

For the love of God tell us what these are!!

[Wiggs]

Tako, the number one thing I think would be what people eat...We really are what we eat..With all the processed foods, additives, chemicals etc in the American diet, I have no doubt in my mind it is contributing to other things besides obesity...A diet of raw veggies, fruits whole grains and a doctor supported supplementation plan would change America and many diseases, disorders and obesity numbers would plummet...We eat entirely too much and too much garbage.

[takohorse]

absolutely wiggs! u bring up a good point! our (society's) diets and lifestyles certainly help in keeping cancer alive and well.. and then there is smoking.. wont even start on that disgusting turn off of a habit..
and, i cant tell u names of past (or present) drugs that have been found to help.. i dont follow it that closely anymore, dont have the kind of mind that retains that sort of info.. but i remember working with - what was it called back then? - bioscan, i believe.. infrared lights that heal on a cellular level.. used in the nfl, nba, nhl, etc for injuries.. i train horses and was introduced that way to it.. they are fabulous, used them not only on my horses but on myself for everything from skin avulsions to migraines. early studies showed that they were capable of putting cancer into remission. no, i cant give u links and xtra info, just that i recall seeing it/reading it.. now i believe they have been improved and are now called lumen lights. i think there is a website for them, perhaps u could google them? i will be at the kentucky muscle show this weekend so if your really interested and happen to be there, id love to chat more on them.  

[Tapeworm]

Well, if you ever get sick or injured, please just consult a doctor in addition to whatever alternative methods you're using.  Take care, tako.

[takohorse]

well having been a paramedic, i would always employ a doctor if needed. thankfully i dont get sick much and cancer doesnt run in my family so i am fortunate to not be included in that segment. my heart goes out to those that do.  thanku for your sentiment! nice to see this thread turn somewhat nice..   
and for the record, i hope mens bodybuilding remains a permanent fixture in the american way of life.. seeing arnold and franco in mags when i was a kid is what got me interested in muscles in the first place.. women do need some options but men need to keep their (quality) muscle on their lovely frames. HOT!!

[BayGBM]

Schmoes need pro bodybuilding! 

[stormshadow]

Because everyone knows that women are fucking dumb asses that feel good by spending men's money in anyway possible.  Only a fool would pass on the opportunity to capitalize on a female fan base.

wow.. what a generalized statement about women.. way to go there, im sure ur a real winner.. i am not a football fan, aside from supporting it for my husbands sake.. nor am i proponent of finding the cure for cancer - any sort of it.. there have been cures and the fda and insurance companies wont ever pass on it.. THEY are the ones that gain from the "fundraising for research"... they will never want to find a cure..  i have seen the football players in pink tho and i, being a "fucking dumb ass woman" think it was silly and odd to have them do that.. but then again i am not at the helm of either organization and dont take credit for their ideas.. so, i think u are on track with your questioning of this latest nfl practice, but damn man, be a little smarter about how u word it.. not all women are greedy or "dumb asses", just like not all men are chauvinistic dicks.. get my drift? unless u are the latter - which hell, maybe u are - i would think this piece of intelligence would be commonplace.

And as a paramedic you know absolute DICK about what goes on in a cancer research lab.  Your knowledge base as a paramedic is at the bottom of the food chain in biology and science. 

 

[stormshadow]

For the love of God tell us what these are!!

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She will be coauthoring a book by the convicted felon Kevin Trudeau..

"Cancer cures THEY don't want you to know about"

[takohorse]

well u may be rite.. my knowledge now in that industry is not what it was 6 or 7 yrs ago. but i know what i have seen, been witness to, and i know some truly great minds whose writings are truth. im not sure who your reference is or what book he may be writing - i dont associate myself with criminals - but aside from that bit of nonsense, nothing i wrote here was put on the forum to create heat, other than to agree (in a now very indirect way) that it was asinine for football players to play in pink, for a mostly womens cause.  but for people like u, that feel the need to spew laconic hatred towards others so u may feel better about yourself or your stance, u will twist anything anyone says, no matter how benign, into something that u feel u have to "defend".. if thats what u call your rants on nothingness... so stick to the point little one, if u can.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Without bodybuilding, I will not survive!

[stormshadow]

well u may be rite.. my knowledge now in that industry is not what it was 6 or 7 yrs ago. but i know what i have seen, been witness to, and i know some truly great minds whose writings are truth. im not sure who your reference is or what book he may be writing - i dont associate myself with criminals - but aside from that bit of nonsense, nothing i wrote here was put on the forum to create heat, other than to agree (in a now very indirect way) that it was asinine for football players to play in pink, for a mostly womens cause.  but for people like u, that feel the need to spew laconic hatred towards others so u may feel better about yourself or your stance, u will twist anything anyone says, no matter how benign, into something that u feel u have to "defend".. if thats what u call your rants on nothingness... so stick to the point little one, if u can.

Everything in my first post was valid and on topic.  The NFL is catering to the female interest and obviously has NO concern with alienating the males that make up the ruthless following of the contact sport and will always be fans.  Women being strictly emotional with no legitimate logic behind any of their interests are very easy to sell to.  All of which is an example of a change in the business model (my example of Pro Football), which was the original topic of this thread.

You were the one talking about the "hidden cure for cancer" to not only take the thread off topic, but also having such an opinion based on conspiracy "theories" and zero fact.  

Post what you have seen and been witness too.  Not concerned about anything you have read.

[MCWAY]

Face it Bob, bodybuilding is on the outs. There isn't nearly as many people interested in building a physique that's over 200lbs, let alone want to compete or become a pro bodybuilder. I remember when little kids and teens would see a big guy and have respect for him. Now days kids think it's stupid and people are realizing big muscle usually equals steroids. Look at the quality on stage at the nationals and even Olympia for that matter. Across the board the quality is down and interest is down. Yes, the fitness aspect is on the rise but next generations Ronnie Colemans or Flex Wheelers aren't out there.

Being a freak is no longer cool. Bodybuilding is no longer cool and being a competitive bodybuilder is frowned upon more than ever.

Everything you've just said, I heard over 15 years ago. Bodybuilding was supposed to be on the outs then. Yet, for some reason, it's still here.

[stormshadow]

and i know some truly great minds whose writings are truth.

You just KNOW its truth? lol...

I'm willing to bet you are also a christian and believe in the invisible man in the sky?

Am I right?

[MCWAY]

If you listened to Lee Haney's interview, he was spot on the money.  I can remember back in the 1990's we would have teenagers/youngmen in the gym with their Flex magazines discussing Flex, Shawn, Kevin, Lee, Mike, etc.

Now?  People would like to look like The Situation or the other guy from Jersey Shore.  There's one on there that was muscular and women still found him attractive....

I think that the problem is that the physiques look horrible and aren't inspirational. It appeals to a fringe group.

As was said on here, people wanted to look like Arnold. I remember reading several articles where Lee Haney said women came up to him and told him how nice his body was.

ANd from  my own personal experience...if you don't look ridiculous, people do admire and like a musclebound physique.

Anyway Bob you talk about BB and it's growth...I'd be curious if you could tell us profit margins and what you forecast in the general future.

In what alternate universe are you living? I grew up hearing the same "Ewww!! That's GROSS!!!" comments about guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, all those other guys as well.

It's always a generational thing, as I've said time and time again. The guys from the 60s think they were the best of all times and the guys from the 70s are just "horrible and aren't inspirational. It just appeals to a fringe group."

Guess what.

The guys from the 70s thought that about the guys from the 80s.
The guys from the 80s thought that about the guys from the 90s.
The guys from the 90s thought that about the gusy from the 2000s (or the 'aughts')
And, the guys from the 'aughts' think that about the guys from the '10s.

Ten years from now, we'll this talk about bodybuilders in 2020.

[Thin Lizzy]

Everything you've just said, I heard over 15 years ago. Bodybuilding was supposed to be on the outs then. Yet, for some reason, it's still here.

When I first got interested in bodybuilding, in the 80s, The Night of Champions was selling out the Beacon theatre, capacity of ~4k. Today's version of that show, The NY Pro, is held in a venue that holds about 1k.

So, either bodybuilding has declined in popularity, or, in the words of Spinal Tap Manager, Ian Faith, "It's appeal has gotten more selective."

[MCWAY]

When I first got interested in bodybuilding, in the 80s, The Night of Champions was selling out the Beacon theatre, capacity of ~4k. Today's version of that show, The NY Pro, is held in a venue that holds about 1k.

So, either bodybuilding has declined in popularity, or, in the words of Spinal Tap Manager, Ian Faith, "It's appeal has gotten more selective."

The NY Pro has become more of a leftover show, because most of the top Olympia competitors sit that one out.

Look at the Arnold. But for the IFBB's rules, that show would eclipse the Olympia, in terms of popularity and prize money.

[churbro]

The practice of pros only entering one contest a year needs to stop. There should be a 3 contest minimum for every pro (except maybe Mr O) every year, and no more entering or withdrawing from a show at the last minute.

[MCWAY]

The practice of pros only entering one contest a year needs to stop. There should be a 3 contest minimum for every pro (except maybe Mr O) every year, and no more entering or withdrawing from a show at the last minute.

Most of them do that, already. It's just that it's usually the earlier shows that they enter. The headliners normally would hit the IronMan, the Arnold, and one other spring show.

After that, they hibernate until the Olympia. I recall an article in 2004 about Darrem Charles, referring to him as the "Pirate of the Carribean". Basically, he did mostly the late summer/early fall shows (when the other top pros were gone) and won those.

[MB]

The practice of pros only entering one contest a year needs to stop. There should be a 3 contest minimum for every pro (except maybe Mr O) every year, and no more entering or withdrawing from a show at the last minute.

I would limit automatic qualifying at the Olympia to the winner, everyone else would have to compete again the next year to re-qualify.  In addition, only the winners of the circuit shows should qualify for the Olympia.  The bar should be set high like it was in the old days.  I also agree on moving the Olympia around, it is getting stale in Las Vegas.   

[MCWAY]

I would limit automatic qualifying at the Olympia to the winner, everyone else would have to compete again the next year to re-qualify.  In addition, only the winners of the circuit shows should qualify for the Olympia.  The bar should be set high like it was in the old days.  I also agree on moving the Olympia around, it is getting stale in Las Vegas.   

Define the "old days". The 80s and 90s required placing:
- Top 3 at circuit shows;
- Top 5 at then-NOC,
- Top 6 at that Arnold,
- Top 10 at the previous year's Olympia,
- 1st at any previous Olympia,
- Winning your class at the Universe.

Prior to that (early 70s), the only other show was the IFBB Universe. Only former Universe winners were the O.

[MB]

Define the "old days". The 80s and 90s required placing:
- Top 3 at circuit shows;
- Top 5 at then-NOC,
- Top 6 at that Arnold,
- Top 10 at the previous year's Olympia,
- 1st at any previous Olympia,
- Winning your class at the Universe.
Prior to that (early 70s), the only other show was the IFBB Universe. Only former Universe winners were the O.

I'd like to see the Olympia with less than 10 contestants, like the early '70s.  It would make the circuit shows much more competitive and bring back some prestige to the Olympia.  Nothing against guys like Erik Fankhouser, but he didn't deserve to be on the Olympia stage this year.  Joe Weider created the show for former Mr. Universe champions, not a guy who finishes 5th at the NY Pro. 

[Earl1972]

yes we need pro bodybuilding

it's our favorite sport

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