Deadlifts: with or without straps...

[cephissus]

lol i thought that was just called a deadlift...

[Tapeworm]

The one where your cousin distracts the lifter and you pick up the bar and run to the nearest pawn shop with it is the Romanian one.

[Meso_z]

I rarely even do deadlifts anymore, i think they are useless. i prefer to do an additional exercise for my lats than deads, you can always do some lower back extensions for your lower back.

[cephissus]

nothing and i mean nothing hits my erectors / traps / rhomboids besides deadlift variations (well, maybe rows sometimes).

i think i have the worst mind/muscle connection of all time.

[#1 Klaus fan]

It doesn't really matter, you won't get great grip strength from deadlifting.

[Formerly_Owner76]

If you plan on competing, go as high as you can without straps.
Then add straps and try to overload with more weight.
Grip is important in Deads, as that is where many fail, when they still have
strength in the tank to lockout.
Deads aren't useless, bicep pump training is though.
Bench, Squat, DL, then add some assistance exercises. Makes your whole body strong, unlike "pumping your guns".
 

[Stark]

Never ever fucking ever use straps - ever.

You grip will get real strong - especially if you use a bit of chalk

[Per Se]

I use them at a certain weight, figure I'd rather have my legs and back give out than my wrists.

Your take?

I don't use them until my last two sets.
There comes a point when your grip will give way....but you still have plenty of strength left.

[Per Se]

...reading thru this thread I feel its a real shame that most of you guys are scared to do deadlifts.  It's my FAVOURITE exercise.

[#1 Klaus fan]

There comes a point when your grip will give way....but you still have plenty of strength left.

No.

[suckmymuscle]

I use them at a certain weight, figure I'd rather have my legs and back give out than my wrists.

Your take?

  Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[The Showstoppa]

No.

So you think someones forearms and grip are as strong as their back/glutes?  ....  bet you have an awesome back......

[~UN_$ung~]

 Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

this is true......im not usually an advocat of straps and belts


but at a certain strength level  the gross motor movement of you back and legs can handle way more weight then you small hand muscle can.......so if you can lift much more in a deadlift using all those big muscles, you shouldnt let you hand strenght be the limiting facrot


tis like putting a restrictor plate on a racecar...........the car can handle much more

[Boost]

I've witnessed countless horrific deadlifting injuries. I stay well clear of this movement.

I once saw a guy tear his bicep while attempting a 1 rep max lift.

He screamed and the bicep rolled up his arm like a rubber band.

He stumbled backwards, tripped on a stray dumbell and fell into a mirror which shattered and covered him in shards of glass.

It was like a scence from a Halloween movie. blood everywhere.

[#1 Klaus fan]

So you think someones forearms and grip are as strong as their back/glutes?  ....  bet you have an awesome back......

Every powerlifter's and strongman's.

[#1 Klaus fan]

 Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

No.

[#1 Klaus fan]

I've witnessed countless horrific deadlifting injuries. I stay well clear of this movement.

I once saw a guy tear his bicep while attempting a 1 rep max lift.

He screamed and the bicep rolled up his arm like a rubber band.

He stumbled backwards, tripped on a stray dumbell and fell into a mirror which shattered and covered him in shards of glass.

It was like a scence from a Halloween movie. blood everywhere.

1 example = not genuine statistics.

[suckmymuscle]

No.

  Such wit! Such cleverness! Such incisivness!

  You have convinced me that I am wrong. How can I dispute such a thorough and profound critique of my point of view as elucidated in your post?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[#1 Klaus fan]

 Such wit! Such cleverness! Such incisivness!

  You have convinced me that I am wrong. How can I dispute such a thorough and profound critique of my point of view as elucidated in your post?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hah.  Grip strength has one of the best potentials of the entire human body. It adapts very quickly and can be trained practically all the time. You can only hold on to 400 pounds? HAH!

[MB]

I use to push deadlifts hard and ended up with a ruptured L5-S1.  I now prefer DB deadlifts where I can stay upright and use more legs.  It allows for variation in the pulling angle. 

[suckmymuscle]

Hah. Grip strength has one of the best potentials of the entire human body. It adapts very quickly and can be trained practically all the time. You can only hold on to 400 pounds? HAH!

  The ability of your wrists to hoister weights is much lower than that of the muscles of the quads and back, which are huge. Think of the surface area of the wrists compared to that of the back and legs. No way can your wrists resist as much weight as your latissimus, teres major, erectores and quadriceps can lift. Trying to deadlift say 700 lbs without straps is suicide. Even if you manage to get the bar off the ground, your wrist tendons will almost certainly give out.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[JasonH]

I've always used straps for deadlifts - I've felt it takes the whole grip issue out of the equation and I don't lift heavy anyway - my rep range on deads is usually somewhere between 15 and 20 now, using very strict form and doing the movement slowly. I've gone down the whole powerlifting route in the last and I didn't gain any new muscle from it, only got a sore back.

[Figo]

it depends what youre trying to achieve

a PR or back development

if youre after strength and 1 RM's, use straps, go all out to achieve lift

for muscle stimulation/development you want to lower the weight for higher reps, and wont need straps

[#1 Klaus fan]

 The ability of your wrists to hoister weights is much lower than that of the muscles of the quads and back, which are huge. Think of the surface area of the wrists compared to that of the back and legs. No way can your wrists resist as much weight as your latissimus, teres major, erectores and quadriceps can lift. Trying to deadlift say 700 lbs without straps is suicide. Even if you manage to get the bar off the ground, your wrist tendons will almost certainly give out.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Just no. Almost anyone can deadlift their max with a mixed grip, chalk and a good bar, no matter how poor their grip is.

[Figo]

I've witnessed countless horrific deadlifting injuries. I stay well clear of this movement.

I once saw a guy tear his bicep while attempting a 1 rep max lift.

He screamed and the bicep rolled up his arm like a rubber band.

He stumbled backwards, tripped on a stray dumbell and fell into a mirror which shattered and covered him in shards of glass.

It was like a scence from a Halloween movie. blood everywhere.

wow, pull out the popcorn.

the main reason for bi tears is the alternate/mixed grip. Thats a strogman/PL grip. for bbing, use overhand grip