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Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« on: December 11, 2010, 11:30:38 AM »
 President Obama fails to free political prisoners in the US

The United States of America holds the world record for the most incarcerated population on the planet. Nearly 2.3 million Americans are locked into the country’s criminal justice system.Among them, hundreds of political prisoners the U.S. government does not recognize.

Andrew Young, the former U.S. Ambassador to the UN told the French Socialist newspaper Le Matin:

"There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people [in the U.S.] whom I would call political prisoners."

So when US President Barack Obama finally decided to execute his pardon privilege, his choices were disappointing to many, like Jim Klimaski, who litigates constitutional and civil rights cases. Klimaski told RT:

"President Obama had the opportunity of correcting egregious errors and the people he pardoned are essentially insignificant."

The men and women granted clemency all committed low level offenses such as forgery, drug possession, even mutilating coins. Some of the recipients of the pardons didn't even go to prison. In the stacks of pardon applications were those of prisoners like Native American Activist Leonard Peltier. Peltier, a member of the militant American Indian Movement was sentenced to two life terms in prison for allegedly killing two FBI agents. However, the initial trial was corrupted by faulty affidavits and coerced evidence submitted by the FBI. Some argue Peltier’s only crime was his political activism. Betty Peltier, Leonard’s sister told RT:

“They have no evidence at all that he killed anyone.”

Mumia Abu Jamal is also considered a political prisoner. He has been on death row for over two decades.

Abu Jamal was member of the Black Liberation Movement. He was charged for a crime world dignitaries and members of the European Parliament insist he did not commit. At a demonstration in Washington, DC one Mumia supporter said:

“The only reason why he is in jail is because he was framed.”

Political hip hop artist Immortal Technique has leant his support and voice to Mumia’s case. He believes these convictions are simply the most known cases of a systematic attempt to silence those seen as a threat to the establishment.
"They symbolize a system basically charging someone who is innocent with a crime. Someone specific who is attached to a movement.”

Hundreds of other cases fit the description of political prisoners. Such as the Cuban Five, in prison for investigating terrorists attacks against Cuba from Miami and the Puerto Rican Liberation fighters jailed for fighting for Puerto Rico’s independence from the U.S. Those groups, along with countless members of the Black Panther Party, became targets for political reasons some lawyers insist. Zachary Wolfe of the National Lawyers Guild has dealt with many flawed cases. He believes Obama acted with poor judgment.
“Pardon Power is absolute, he can do whatever he wants and he has chosen not to,"

Wolfe said. He recalls previous pardons that were controversial
. "It's hard to see any justice in the process. There are people who have done harm to democracy who have been pardoned such as Oliver North"

Oliver North was convicted of selling weapons to the Iranian government during the Iran/Iraq war to fund America’s covert war against the socialist Sandinista government in Nicaragua.The incident became infamous as the Iran Contra scandal.

Other controversial pardons in recent history include President Gerald Ford granting clemency to President Richard Nixon for Watergate and installing a vigilante program against political dissidents. President Bill Clinton pardoned billionaire fugitive Marc Rich while George W Bush commuted Scooter Libby's sentence, the man convicted of the CIA leak scandal.

There is an international precedent for recognizing and releasing political prisoners. France did it with its anarchists, Germany with the Red Army, Great Britain with the IRA. Not the US government. While a Senate committee once recognized the abuses committed by the FBI in persecuting activists for political reasons, Obama continues a long tradition of presidents who refuses to use his power of pardon for America’s alleged political prisoners.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 11:33:56 AM »
Wow... Obama didn't cave to UN presssure, voiced to the French Socialist newspaper.


I can't wait for 333386 to complain about this!   :D

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 11:42:19 AM »
Wow... Obama didn't cave to UN presssure, voiced to the French Socialist newspaper.


I can't wait for 333386 to complain about this!   :D

I'm pretty sure he'll find a way

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 11:52:34 AM »
 ::)

Some of you losers really need to find a more constructive use of your time. And by losers, I don't mean 240 or Straw (although I wouldn't classify either one of you as "with it").

I'm sure that the best source you could find for this garbage (which is not attributed to anyone BTW) is a French socialist newspaper that nobody acquainted with reality has ever heard of. Obviously Oliver North is mentioned in the article, because it was written so objectively and with no political or ideological slant whatsoever. ::)

Mumia Abu Jamal Ali Baba or whatever the fuck his name is murdered two police officers in cold blood. He should have been executed 20 years ago. The other cases mentioned in the article are actually so ridiculous they aren't worth addressing individually.

And why is a Pro Soviet Communist rat like yourself digging up articles that knock the US for jailing political prisoners when you could fill an encyclopedia of names that the Kremlin has held indefinitely with no trial or simply executed for criticizing the regime? Brutal deflection and pot calling the kettle black.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 12:04:25 PM »
::)

Some of you losers really need to find a more constructive use of your time. And by losers, I don't mean 240 or Straw (although I wouldn't classify either one of you as "with it").

I'm sure that the best source you could find for this garbage (which is not attributed to anyone BTW) is a French socialist newspaper that nobody acquainted with reality has ever heard of. Obviously Oliver North is mentioned in the article, because it was written so objectively and with no political or ideological slant whatsoever. ::)

Mumia Abu Jamal Ali Baba or whatever the fuck his name is murdered two police officers in cold blood. He should have been executed 20 years ago. The other cases mentioned in the article are actually so ridiculous they aren't worth addressing individually.

And why is a Pro Soviet Communist rat like yourself digging up articles that knock the US for jailing political prisoners when you could fill an encyclopedia of names that the Kremlin has held indefinitely with no trial or simply executed for criticizing the regime? Brutal deflection and pot calling the kettle black.
::) You're talking like as if there is nothing absolutely wrong with how the things run in the current US. And why mention how it was run in Soviet Union? There is no Soviet Union no more, there is Russia on the rise and the US in big troubles. The United States of America holds the world record for the most incarcerated population on the planet. Nearly 2.3 million Americans are locked into the country’s criminal justice system - it speaks volume!

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 12:13:38 PM »
I am convinced that you don't know anything about your own country or America so going back and forth with you is a waste of time. Today the Russian government routinely kidnaps, murders and jails it's citizens without charging them. The rule of law in Russia is a joke.

Nobody claims the United States is perfect. It's definitely not perfect. But comparing Russia to America is like comparing Las Vegas to Atlantic City. I'm sure you don't know where either of those places is located or what the difference is-- but I'll just say this. America is Las Vegas and Russia is Atlantic City ( and I think Im being generous with this comparison).

And who gives a fuck if America "holds the record" for incarcerated people. Are we keeping score now? It's easy to have less incarcerated people in your country, where nobody keeps legitimate records of anything. I suppose that having half the people that are arrested in Russia mysteriously disappear is a lot cheaper to the state than actually putting them in jail first.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 12:16:11 PM »
Straw and 240 , after the disaster for obama yesterday with bubba, ill give him a pass on this. 

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 12:30:48 PM »
333 admit it-- You felt bad for Obama yesterday.

Hell, I admit I did. Clinton getting some payback at the most inopportune time.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 12:31:32 PM »
I am convinced that you don't know anything about your own country or America so going back and forth with you is a waste of time. Today the Russian government routinely kidnaps, murders and jails it's citizens without charging them. The rule of law in Russia is a joke.

Nobody claims the United States is perfect. It's definitely not perfect. But comparing Russia to America is like comparing Las Vegas to Atlantic City. I'm sure you don't know where either of those places is located or what the difference is-- but I'll just say this. America is Las Vegas and Russia is Atlantic City ( and I think Im being generous with this comparison).

And who gives a fuck if America "holds the record" for incarcerated people. Are we keeping score now? It's easy to have less incarcerated people in your country, where nobody keeps legitimate records of anything. I suppose that having half the people that are arrested in Russia mysteriously disappear is a lot cheaper to the state than actually putting them in jail first.

 You don't know anything about Russia, don't fool yourself, you don't know no Russian word or would have been able to connect two. Look you say that - Nobody claims the United States is perfect. It's definitely not perfect. I fear that you have lost in the long run, you can't compare the US with the really giants as Russia and China. Those two have proven themselves the real super powers over the centuries etc etc. What is America? No body gave a fuck or didn't know what is this prior 1900, you were a nobody. Your peak is gone, which was 1985 - 2000. Now everything is falling apart. The half of the US people don't give a fuck about the future of the US... whatever. ;D

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 12:36:35 PM »
I felt embarassed for him and the nation because it is clear he is very much over his head and even he knows it.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 12:37:41 PM »
333 admit it-- You felt bad for Obama yesterday.

Hell, I admit I did. Clinton getting some payback at the most inopportune time.
LOL he looked and acted like a dejected puppy...

can you imagine if palin had done that at a press conference, 240 would start thread after thread quoting the nat enq  ;D

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 12:39:30 PM »
Plus he blamed it on his wife to boot for a stupid xmas party.

How sad.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 12:40:26 PM »
240 would have had sex with the usb port on his computer if Palin pulled that stunt.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 12:42:55 PM »
240 would have had sex with the usb port on his computer if Palin pulled that stunt.

 ;D

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 12:45:45 PM »
Its just sad for the country that we have such an empty suit at a time we need a real competent leader. 

Everyone wanted  the cool black guy who was not bush and chose to ignore the myriad of red flags which we all see rearing itself by the hour. 

I also believe rahm was the clue that kept the wh together.  Since his departure, its been daily meltdowns.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2010, 12:54:11 PM »
the cool black guy

Racist post reported.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2010, 12:55:51 PM »
It is what it is.  If barack obama was barry mcnally from massachusetts with the same record he would have been laughed at the day he announced running for office.

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Re: Obama ignores clemency for political prisoners
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2010, 01:26:34 PM »
I'm still trying very hard to get "Black Friday" changed to "Wop Wednesday". Most Congressional offices I call just hang up on me though.