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Deficit is biggest as share of economy since 1945
« on: February 15, 2011, 06:08:13 AM »
Deficit is biggest as share of economy since 1945
Feb 15, 7:09 AM (ET)
By JEANNINE AVERSA and CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110215/D9LD6Q580.html


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WASHINGTON (AP) - Not since World War II has the federal budget deficit made up such a big chunk of the U.S. economy. And within two or three years, economists fear the result could be sharply higher interest rates that would slow economic growth.

The budget plan President Barack Obama sent Congress on Monday foresees a record deficit of $1.65 trillion this year. That would be just under 11 percent of the $14 trillion economy - the largest proportion since 1945, when wartime spending swelled the deficit to 21.5 percent of U.S. gross domestic product.

The danger is that a persistently large gap in the budget could threaten the economy. Investors would see lending their money to the U.S. as riskier. So they'd demand higher returns to do it. Or they'd simply put their cash elsewhere. Interest rates on mortgages and other debt would rise as a result.

And if borrowing turned more expensive, people and businesses might scale back their spending. That would weaken an economy still struggling to lower unemployment, revive real estate prices and restore corporate and consumer confidence.

So far, it hasn't happened. It's still cheap for the government to borrow money and finance deficits. But economists fear the domino effect if all that changes.

"The moment when markets react negatively to our budget deficit cannot be known in advance, but we are absolutely in the danger zone," says Marvin Goodfriend, an economics professor at Carnegie Mellon University's Tepper School of Business.

Higher interest rates would also raise interest payments on the federal debt. It would be costlier for the government to finance its operations. The interest payments themselves could then make the deficit increase, creating a vicious cycle.

Under the projections in Obama's budget, the deficit as a share of the overall economy would narrow from 10.9 percent this year to 7 percent next year and eventually to 2.9 percent by the 2018 fiscal year.

But after that, in the remaining years of this decade, the deficit would widen slightly as a percentage of the economy. It would average about 3.1 percent because of escalating costs for programs like Social Security and Medicare as baby boomers age and receive benefits.

Economists generally say cutting the deficit to about 3 percent or less of the economy would be healthy. Deficits at that level are considered "sustainable" - meaning they could be easily financed and wouldn't make investors nervous about the government's finances.

Most economists don't think the deficit should be cut deeply now. They say the economy remains so fragile - unemployment is at 9 percent - that it needs big government spending to invigorate growth.

In this camp is Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. He's argued that now isn't the time to slash government spending or raise taxes. Instead, Bernanke has urged Congress and the White House to preserve federal stimulus - including tax cuts - in the short run but draft a plan to reduce the deficit over the long run.

A presidential commission last year made recommendations that Bernanke and other economists say could help curb the deficit over the long term. Its suggestions included raising the Social Security retirement age and reducing future increases in benefits. It also proposed increasing the gasoline tax and eliminating or scaling back tax breaks, like the mortgage interest deduction claimed by many Americans.

Obama embraced none of these proposals in his budget. But his plan is designed to cut $1.1 trillion from the deficit over the next decade, two-thirds of it from spending cuts. The rest would come from tax increases, such as limiting the deductions for high-income taxpayers.

In Bernanke's view, a long-term plan to reduce future deficits would mean lower long-term interest rates and increased consumer and business confidence.

For months, though, longer-term rates have been creeping up, driven by prospects of stronger growth and concerns about higher inflation. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note is now 3.61 percent. That's up sharply from 2.48 percent in early November.

That increase is making other loans, including mortgages, more expensive. The average rate for a 30-year fixed mortgage just rose above 5 percent for the first time since April.

Rates are still extremely low by historical standards. In 1983, during Ronald Reagan's first presidential term, the deficit soared to $208 billion, about 6 percent of the economy at the time. The rate on the 10-year note topped 10 percent. And getting a 30-year mortgage meant paying 13 percent.

Economists say that if investors trust that Congress and the White House will curb budget deficits over the long haul, interest rates could stabilize - even if deficits exceed $1 trillion over the next year or two. But if investors lose confidence that Washington policymakers can curb the deficits, rates could rise sharply.

"It's all about perception," says Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP, a research firm.

So far, China, the biggest buyer of U.S. debt, and other countries have maintained their appetites for Treasurys. Foreign demand for Treasury debt has helped keep U.S. interest rates historically low.

The reason is that the United States is still considered a haven for many foreign investors. That point was underscored by Europe's debt crisis last year, when money poured into dollar-denominated Treasurys.

If the United States had to finance its debt through U.S. investors alone, the government, along with American companies and consumers, would have to pay higher rates.

Last year's budget deficit totaled $1.3 trillion. That was just under 9 percent of U.S. economic activity. The first time the deficit topped $1 trillion was in 2009.

The growth of U.S. budget deficits has reflected the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the continuation of broad tax cuts, the worst recession since the 1930s and a surge in spending on Social Security, Medicare and the military. The recession prompted higher government spending to stimulate the economy and cushion the effects of the downturn. It also reduced tax revenue.

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates that the United States' deficit as a share of the U.S. economy will be smaller - around 8.8 percent- than the president's budget estimates.

Still, that would be a higher figure than for other major industrialized countries. The OECD projects, for example, that Britain's deficit this year will be about 8.1 percent of its economy. Germany's deficit is expected to make up 2.9 percent of its economy, Japan's 7.5 percent.

"So far, investors haven't been bothered by large U.S. budget deficits," says Jim O'Sullivan, economist at MF Global, an investment firm. "The fear is that could suddenly change. It's not clear whether investors will remain patient once the U.S. recovery is on track."


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Re: Deficit is biggest as share of economy since 1945
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 06:16:44 AM »
Once the dollar starts to fall...There will be nothing to stop it....Many countries in the UE are starting to talk about abondoning the dollar..

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Re: Deficit is biggest as share of economy since 1945
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 06:21:51 AM »
We are not serious or honest about our money issues.  People want to believe we can afford health care, green jobs crap, universal pre-k, welfare, etc etc, when in factwe are busted, broke, and tapped out.  There is nothing left, yet despite that, we have a Admn, and a congress still frittering away on the margins.   

Obama is like Martin Sheen at this point on this issue, he is addicted to debt and spending and will have to be quarantined at this point to stop. 

The congress is playing games with this and not being serious.   Rand Paul is, and so is Michelle Bachmann, I will give them that, but boehner and mccconnell are not being srious at all either.   

When it collapses, we have only ourselves to blame at this point. 

   

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Re: Deficit is biggest as share of economy since 1945
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 07:18:26 AM »
A Stack of 1 Trillion Pennies: 5 Ways to Visualize Our $13 Trillion National Debt
By Meredith Margrave Wednesday, June 30, 2010



http://www.investinganswers.com/a/stack-1-trillion-pennies-5-ways-visualize-our-13-trillion-national-debt-1432


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4.75.$13 trillion. That's roughly the current size of the U.S. national debt. And it continues to grow every second.

It seems like everyone, from blue-chip execs to members of congress, is throwing around words like million, billion and trillion without any comprehension of what they really represent. CNN even goes so far as to call trillion "the new billion."

Why is it so hard to wrap your head around these big numbers? K.C. Cole, a commentator for American Public Media's Marketplace says it's just the way we're wired. According to Cole, "We automatically 'read' a billion as about a third of a trillion. After all, it's only three zeros off. But of course, a trillion is a thousand times a billion, and a thousand is a lot."

What Cole is saying may surprise you. A thousand doesn't seem like such a big number -- most people have at least $1,000 in their bank account. But divide your $200,000 salary by a factor of a thousand, and you'll find yourself scraping by on only $200 a year. Increase the size of a classroom by the same amount, and your 15 students are suddenly a mob of 15,000. The distinction is roughly the difference between a million and a billion.

So how do you visualize a trillion? Creative people are coming up with new and better ways all the time.

According to the MegaPenny Project, a cube of one trillion pennies stacked together would be 273 feet tall, somewhere between the height of the Washington Monument and the Empire State Building.

Here are our five favorite ways to put this colossal number into context.

1) A Trillion Seconds Worth of Distance Run
Can you guess how many days it takes for a trillion seconds to pass? If you said, "Let me go get my calculator," you're on the right track. I'll give you a hint: Each 24-hour day is worth 86,400 seconds. That's a huge number! But it's no where near a trillion.   

•A million seconds is 13 days.
•A billion seconds is 31 years.
•A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.
If you can believe it, a trillion seconds ago, modern humans were yet to exist, and Neanderthals stalked the plains of Europe.


 2) Astronomically Large
Outside on a clear night, you can see about two thousand stars with the naked eye, according to the astronomy site A Bright Spot Opposite the Sun. With $1 trillion, you could buy all of those stars if each cost $500 million.

3) Oh the Places They Will Go
A brand new Porsche 911 is a pretty luxurious purchase. Only the truly wealthy can afford to plunk down $88,800 on a car that fits two people and a weekend bag. But with a trillion dollars, in addition to a diploma you could give a set of keys to every graduating high school student in the country -- for the next four years!

4) The 50 Richest People in the Room
Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, the entire Walton family -- these are just a few of the names that top Forbes' annual report on the richest people in the world. Yet none of them will ever be worth a trillion dollars. In fact, if you put the 50 richest billionaires in a room, their combined net worth would barely pass $1 trillion.

5) Not Even the Biggest Blue-Chips
Let's go back to how much purchasing power $1 trillion will give you. For that amount of money, you could buy every share of ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM) -- and still have more than $700 billion to spend buying up every share of…

•Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) -- $233.10 billion
•Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) -- $204.29 billion
•Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-A) -- $197.89 billion
•Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT) -- $181.40 billion

Now multiply by 13. Can you wrap your brain around that?

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Re: Deficit is biggest as share of economy since 1945
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 07:37:39 AM »