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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2011, 12:34:48 PM »
from Bret Hart's facebook:
"I'm looking forward to Wrestlemania 27, especially because it's in Atlanta, a city that had a truly rich pro wrestling history going back decades until Eric Bischoff killed it deader than dead with WCW in 2000. I worked Atlanta back in 1981 when it was Georgia Championship Wrestling and it's terrific that WWE is inducting the greatest monster heel the wrestling business ever knew. Abdullah the Butcher terrorized the Stampede territory when I was a kid. From there he hit Japan like Godzilla, drawing tons of money and tons of fans. He is the King of Heels, if you ask me. I won't be at Wrestlemania this year but just knowing legends like Harley Race will be at Axxess makes me want to book my flight.



As for the actual line-up, it's been a slow build for much of the card, but for the past few weeks the promos and backstage situations seemed to be rather plain and flat, totally predictable. The Undertaker and Triple H segment with Shawn Michaels played out exactly like I expected, the usual smoke blowing up the rectum stuff, more grunts and then a staring contest, thank God Shawn was there just to add something, anything to it. I suppose there isn't much else these two legends can do as far as buildup goes but it came across to me as having little imagination, the match itself should be one of the better match ups because Taker brings it all the way for Wrestlemania and Triple H can turn it up when he wants to. Triple H has had some hard fought battles over the years, but I don't know if he's ever had his chance to literally blow them away at Wrestlemania but this might be his best chance. Taker, in my opinion, is truly one of the all-time best and time and time again, he has delivered the best match on the show so I expect a good solid match, old school but intense. It could steal the show.



I think that Edge and Alberto Del Rio should be a great showdown. These two can dance and Del Rio has been getting more annoying every week. Edge is one of those solid workers that can and will deliver when the time comes, and nobody should underestimate the skill of Alberto. Having grown up in the business, he has waited his entire lifetime for this exact moment. He's just starting to hit his stride now. They'll be no stopping him soon enough.



Cody Rhodes against Rey Mysterio should also be a classic simply because this is a clash of the greatest Mexican wrestler that ever lived squaring off with Cody Rhodes, who is one of the very best American style wrestlers in the business. Son of a legendary father, he has all the tools. If you don't believe me take a look at Cody's punches and kicks, spot on, enough I bet to make some of the bigger stars in the company cringe when they watch their stuff back on TV.



I expect that Randy Orton will give a great fight at Mania against CM Punk. This is one that, again, seemed to build up pretty much like I expected; same promo and psychology I envisioned before they even came out on RAW last night. These two are some of my favorites and they're at the very top of their game. I don't like to criticize either one of them, but I do wish there was more possibility for the unexpected. The angles are becoming harder and harder to differentiate from what they were doing a few months ago. With the storylines, I know it's a difficult job to be original in a business where everything has been done, but with two pros like these two, you'd think their buildup could've been slightly more unpredictable and actually think up something fitting as far as drama and intrigue. So I guess what I'm saying is the talent is there, I'm curious to see where it all ends up at Mania.



I know I've raved about certain guys, but the match I'd tell any young aspiring wrestler to concentrate on and study over and over will be the Sheamus versus Daniel Bryan. I was impressed by Daniel back in ROH but he's absolutely brilliant since his WWE arrival. He reminds me of my brother Owen at times, but he is everything that is good and true about pro wrestling. He makes me rise up to my feet in my living room every time I watch him. He is the best in the world right now as far as workrate goes. As for Sheamus, he has only gotten better and better. His moves are rock solid and his timing is perfect. The timing for a guy his size to jump up and kick his opponent in the face as he jumps off the top rope is sublime and these two will steal the show if they let 'em.



As for the Miz versus Cena match, again I thought for sure that The Rock would end up as part of it all along, but maybe not. If not, then I feel very disappointed. Rock brings so much. He looks great and he stoked a fire in me with his blazing promos. if anything, this storyline seems empty without him, which is a shame because Miz and Cena deserve better. This one seems to be all about Rock versus Cena. I thought some of the writing these past weeks came seriously close to killing the goose laying the golden eggs in WWE. I think with the main event, as a fan, I'd like to see them get to the damn point and focus on that, rather than dressing something up to look like a something else. Oh, and by the way the point is the actual wrestling.



I've never underestimated my onetime nemesis Jerry 'The KIng' Lawler. People can say what they want but Jerry is an old pro. I have no doubts he'll deliver a entertaining match and having Stone Cold there adds a lot as well. As for Michael Cole, he might be the most hated heel in wrestling right now and it will be worth the price of the PPV to see Lawler kick Cole's butt from one end of the ring to the other. No doubt Andy Kaufman will be watching from above. This one will deliver the smiles needed to complete a first rate Wrestlemania. I expect an excellent show, but I'm putting my faith in some of the dark horse matchups to make the most noise.



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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2011, 12:36:51 PM »
UT is all show and no go... Always has been.

HHH will probably make him look great though... Just like Foley and Michaels did before him.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2011, 02:49:25 PM »
Mania 27 Predictions
March 29, 2011

WrestleMania time again so it’s time for my annual WrestleMania prediction commentary. I hope to redeem myself somewhat after a horrendous performance last year. Last year was my worst year yet (I’ve been doing these since Mania 22) picking only 2 winners out of 10 matches. My per year prediction rate thus far is:

Mania 22: 63%
Mania 23: 63%
Mania 24: 44%
Mania 25: 50%
Mania 26: 20%


So over the past 5 years I’ve averaged just slightly below the prediction percentage of a coin flip, with a 48% accuracy. This is pretty sad, but looking at the lineup this year, I think my chances of getting back above 500 are pretty good. No MITB really helps because picking a winner in a 10 man match like that is near impossible.

Undertaker vs. HHH: No way I’m betting against the streak; I tried that last year on the way off chance I’d look brilliant if Shawn won. I had a horrible record last year so no more long shots for me. Taker goes 19-0. The promo segment on Monday was freakin Awesome, kudos to Michaels in particular who really put this over the top for me. Taker and HHH were a ten but HBK was an 11 Monday night.

The Miz vs. John Cena: I was so sure of this match until Monday. I had Cena all the way, but with Rock now doing the post Mania RAW show and rumors abound that he may do a Cena match at some point I’m not too sure. If they are doing a Rock- Cena match any time soon you don’t want the title in the middle of it so I’d keep it on Miz. If you aren’t doing the Rock match I’d put it on Cena so you get happy wins on house shows all summer. I’m going to gamble and say Cena wins.

Randy Orton vs. CM Punk: Randy was on a roll killing all of Nexus, so I was picking Punk in this one, hands down. They had done such a great a job not having these two in the ring together so I was positive Punk was getting the win, then Monday they had Punk hit his finisher and leave Orton laying and now I’m not so sure. I’m still going to go with Punk figuring that since they haven’t had a match leading into Mania that this program moves forward and Punk steals a win here somehow to lead to rematches. Assuming there even is a finish.

Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan: I don’t see the point in putting the title right back on Bryan so Sheamus retains and they can do rematches on the road.

Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole: If they do anything but Lawler killing Cole at the end I’ll be so pissed. This angle has been awesome and it needs to climax here and have Lawler pile drive Michael Cole. With Austin as the ref Lawler has to get the win IMO.

Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes: This is a tough one for me to pick because I haven’t been watching that much SD so I don’t have the best feel for this match, I’m just going to have to take a shot in the dark and say Rhodes picks up the victory.

Edge vs. Alberto Del Rio: I’m picking Del Rio here. I think they have big plans for this guy and I think he’s a good choice to do big things with moving forward. I would imagine they will do something involving Christian leading to Alberto getting the win and peeling Edge away from the title picture for a bit to work with Christian.

Morrison, Trish, Snooki vs. Ziggler, LayCool: Big baby face win here. I don’t see Snooki agreeing to do a job and with Trish being a part of Tough Enough, which debuts the next night, it would be dumb to beat her here. Baby faces win.

The Corre vs. Kane, Show, Santino, Koslov: I’m going with the Corre in this one. For me those are the guys with legs building to the future I’d put them over and a lose for Santino or Koslov would be no big deal. This way we avoid anymore Trombone playing by Kane, my God I hated that on Monday.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2011, 03:20:25 PM »
UT is all show and no go... Always has been.

HHH will probably make him look great though... Just like Foley and Michaels did before him.
He was pretty limited early on..I think a big part of that was his gimmick. It's hard to show what you can do in the ring if you are a waking dead guy. He was stuck working with Gigante, Kamala, Mable...When he took on a more human persona in the late 90's he really took off. He's been lucky to work with a lot of talented guys but so have a lot of guys.

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« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2011, 03:54:08 PM »
He was pretty limited early on..I think a big part of that was his gimmick. It's hard to show what you can do in the ring if you are a waking dead guy. He was stuck working with Gigante, Kamala, Mable...When he took on a more human persona in the late 90's he really took off. He's been lucky to work with a lot of talented guys but so have a lot of guys.

Maybe I'm just a UT hater, but man, he's always been gimmick... In the ring he's never really been able to do any work.

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« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2011, 04:24:30 PM »
Maybe I'm just a UT hater, but man, he's always been gimmick... In the ring he's never really been able to do any work.
He has never been a guy like Shawn, Flair, or Bret who you knew was going to have a great match no matter what. He was hit or miss early on but IMO he's turned into one of the best workers in the company since the 2000's. Incredible agility for a guy his size.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2011, 05:36:40 PM »
UT is all show and no go... Always has been.

HHH will probably make him look great though... Just like Foley and Michaels did before him.
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« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2011, 06:19:35 PM »
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I can't help it bro... He never really moved well in the ring... He climbs a turn buckle and walks the rope because the other guy helps stabilize him... he's got a powerbomb... a piledriver... a choke slam, lots of punches and kicks.

I mean, I get you and he got a lot in common being as tall as a skyscraper (homage to Spivey and Sid) but you move around better than he does.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2011, 06:37:40 PM »
I can't help it bro... He never really moved well in the ring... He climbs a turn buckle and walks the rope because the other guy helps stabilize him... he's got a powerbomb... a piledriver... a choke slam, lots of punches and kicks.

I mean, I get you and he got a lot in common being as tall as a skyscraper (homage to Spivey and Sid) but you move around better than he does.

I gotta admire a guy that lives his gimmick though......he's never wavered or changed his style or tried to be something he isn't.
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« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2011, 05:38:16 AM »
Mania 27 Predictions
March 29, 2011

WrestleMania time again so it’s time for my annual WrestleMania prediction commentary. I hope to redeem myself somewhat after a horrendous performance last year. Last year was my worst year yet (I’ve been doing these since Mania 22) picking only 2 winners out of 10 matches. My per year prediction rate thus far is:

Mania 22: 63%
Mania 23: 63%
Mania 24: 44%
Mania 25: 50%
Mania 26: 20%


So over the past 5 years I’ve averaged just slightly below the prediction percentage of a coin flip, with a 48% accuracy. This is pretty sad, but looking at the lineup this year, I think my chances of getting back above 500 are pretty good. No MITB really helps because picking a winner in a 10 man match like that is near impossible.

Undertaker vs. HHH: No way I’m betting against the streak; I tried that last year on the way off chance I’d look brilliant if Shawn won. I had a horrible record last year so no more long shots for me. Taker goes 19-0. The promo segment on Monday was freakin Awesome, kudos to Michaels in particular who really put this over the top for me. Taker and HHH were a ten but HBK was an 11 Monday night.

The Miz vs. John Cena: I was so sure of this match until Monday. I had Cena all the way, but with Rock now doing the post Mania RAW show and rumors abound that he may do a Cena match at some point I’m not too sure. If they are doing a Rock- Cena match any time soon you don’t want the title in the middle of it so I’d keep it on Miz. If you aren’t doing the Rock match I’d put it on Cena so you get happy wins on house shows all summer. I’m going to gamble and say Cena wins.

Randy Orton vs. CM Punk: Randy was on a roll killing all of Nexus, so I was picking Punk in this one, hands down. They had done such a great a job not having these two in the ring together so I was positive Punk was getting the win, then Monday they had Punk hit his finisher and leave Orton laying and now I’m not so sure. I’m still going to go with Punk figuring that since they haven’t had a match leading into Mania that this program moves forward and Punk steals a win here somehow to lead to rematches. Assuming there even is a finish.

Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan: I don’t see the point in putting the title right back on Bryan so Sheamus retains and they can do rematches on the road.

Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole: If they do anything but Lawler killing Cole at the end I’ll be so pissed. This angle has been awesome and it needs to climax here and have Lawler pile drive Michael Cole. With Austin as the ref Lawler has to get the win IMO.

Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes: This is a tough one for me to pick because I haven’t been watching that much SD so I don’t have the best feel for this match, I’m just going to have to take a shot in the dark and say Rhodes picks up the victory.

Edge vs. Alberto Del Rio: I’m picking Del Rio here. I think they have big plans for this guy and I think he’s a good choice to do big things with moving forward. I would imagine they will do something involving Christian leading to Alberto getting the win and peeling Edge away from the title picture for a bit to work with Christian.

Morrison, Trish, Snooki vs. Ziggler, LayCool: Big baby face win here. I don’t see Snooki agreeing to do a job and with Trish being a part of Tough Enough, which debuts the next night, it would be dumb to beat her here. Baby faces win.

The Corre vs. Kane, Show, Santino, Koslov: I’m going with the Corre in this one. For me those are the guys with legs building to the future I’d put them over and a lose for Santino or Koslov would be no big deal. This way we avoid anymore Trombone playing by Kane, my God I hated that on Monday.

Enjoy the show,
Lance Storm
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Some pretty good predictions and insite here, Mass. I agree with pretty much all of them. I have a funny feeling that Michaels will cost HHH the match. Maybe by trying to superkick the Undertaker and missing and hitting HHH instead. Something along those lines. HHH has to lose but with credability. I don't think they'll kill the streak either. 18 WM wins only to lose 1? Makes no sense but creative has done retarded things before. Maybe this is the Undertaker's way of bowing out. He is old and riddled with injuries. For me this is the match. I could honestly care less about the rest of the card. If it wern't for Rock, Austin and of few other celebrities (Snoop Doggy Dogg may have a cameo) the card is nothing special by any means.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #85 on: March 31, 2011, 05:38:59 AM »
It's a good thing Snooki was there to keep'm apart. Otherwise, all hell would've broken loose. ;)


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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2011, 05:40:02 AM »
It's a good thing Snooki was there to keep'm apart. Otherwise, all hell would've broken loose. ;)


That little Jersey Shore meatball shouldn't even be there.

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« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2011, 11:37:13 AM »
I gotta admire a guy that lives his gimmick though......he's never wavered or changed his style or tried to be something he isn't.



Oh, now don't get me wrong... the UT gimmick... The way he is... WHO he is... Absolutely fantastic.

Mark Callaway is absolutely one of the most real life guys you'll ever meet... He doesn't bullshit and I appreciate that.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2011, 05:24:07 PM »
That little Jersey Shore meatball shouldn't even be there.


My buddy recently asked me, and maybe your "source" would know:

Does Taker currently have a stipulation in his contract that guarantees he goes over at WM?

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« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2011, 06:36:18 PM »

My buddy recently asked me, and maybe your "source" would know:

Does Taker currently have a stipulation in his contract that guarantees he goes over at WM?
He probably doesn't need a stipulation......I read somewhere that creative isn't involved at all and HHH and Taker are doing their own match, old school style.
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« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2011, 06:52:37 PM »
He probably doesn't need a stipulation......I read somewhere that creative isn't involved at all and HHH and Taker are doing their own match, old school style.


I can easily believe that.
That promo from the other night was extremely unlike anything they've been doing with the current product, and that's a good thing.

It's guys like Taker & HHH who should be working the majority of creative; not the soap writers they've been using.


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« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2011, 07:17:12 PM »

I can easily believe that.
That promo from the other night was extremely unlike anything they've been doing with the current product, and that's a good thing.

It's guys like Taker & HHH who should be working the majority of creative; not the soap writers they've been using.


Exactly. I remember reading a quote from Hulk Hogan about working with Randy Orton and how they called the match while it happened, he said Orton was probably one of the last of the young guys that could do that.  Not sure how many people have that ability to call a match on the fly like that.
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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2011, 08:16:44 PM »
Exactly. I remember reading a quote from Hulk Hogan about working with Randy Orton and how they called the match while it happened, he said Orton was probably one of the last of the young guys that could do that.  Not sure how many people have that ability to call a match on the fly like that.


I’d imagine not many.
Creative latitude seems to be in the shitter nowadays.
Although, to be fair, a “Hulk Hogan match” shouldn’t be too difficult to call improv-style.
Some of these dance numbers they do now require a bit more planning.

I think a lot also depends on the workers.
Flair & Steamboat (both tremendous workers) had a phenomenal series of matches that involved little more than a brief pre-match conversation discussing a very general outline to follow leading up to the finish.

For Steamboat’s & Savage’s WMIII match, months of planning went into that.
Savage worked most of his matches that way; planning every detail from A-Z.
When he wrote out the sequence, he would literally begin with, Step 1: Lock up.

Steamboat is proud of his matches with both men, but he favors those with Flair due to the added skill of calling a match in progress.

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« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2011, 07:59:23 AM »

I’d imagine not many.
Creative latitude seems to be in the shitter nowadays.
Although, to be fair, a “Hulk Hogan match” shouldn’t be too difficult to call improv-style.
Some of these dance numbers they do now require a bit more planning.

I think a lot also depends on the workers.
Flair & Steamboat (both tremendous workers) had a phenomenal series of matches that involved little more than a brief pre-match conversation discussing a very general outline to follow leading up to the finish.

For Steamboat’s & Savage’s WMIII match, months of planning went into that.
Savage worked most of his matches that way; planning every detail from A-Z.
When he wrote out the sequence, he would literally begin with, Step 1: Lock up.

Steamboat is proud of his matches with both men, but he favors those with Flair due to the added skill of calling a match in progress.

Speaking of Steamboat.....

When Steamboat wrestled Randy Savage at WM3, they both went over 200 moves / various spots at Randy Savage's mansion in Florida. When Flair wrestled Steamboat in their series of matches in 1989, the called the whole thing on the fly. That's the cookie cutter.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2011, 12:05:11 PM »

My buddy recently asked me, and maybe your "source" would know:

Does Taker currently have a stipulation in his contract that guarantees he goes over at WM?
I've read that he's been more than willing to put over the right guy at WM..Kane at 14, but he refused and Orton at 21 who according to some reports was going to go over until he hurt himself.

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« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2011, 01:16:20 PM »

My buddy recently asked me, and maybe your "source" would know:

Does Taker currently have a stipulation in his contract that guarantees he goes over at WM?
I honestly don't think so but Undertaker has been with the WWE the longest now. He's at a level where if he wants something, he gets it with no questions asked.

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Re: Wrestlemania card - WEAK!!
« Reply #96 on: April 01, 2011, 03:34:53 PM »
How much does wrestlemania cost to get on ppv?

I havent gotten a wrestling ppv since I was in HS.

But was thinking of getting this years mania. I want to see what they have planned for the rock.

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« Reply #97 on: April 01, 2011, 05:25:02 PM »
How much does wrestlemania cost to get on ppv?

I havent gotten a wrestling ppv since I was in HS.

But was thinking of getting this years mania. I want to see what they have planned for the rock.

50 or 60 bucks I'm sure... They ain't cheap.

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« Reply #98 on: April 01, 2011, 05:50:17 PM »
50 or 60 bucks I'm sure... They ain't cheap.
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« Reply #99 on: April 01, 2011, 06:19:40 PM »
50 or 60 bucks I'm sure... They ain't cheap.

Damn!

Im gonna have to pass lol.