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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #150 on: March 28, 2011, 02:53:19 PM »

God doesnt punish but he does teach, and if you are too far away from the light then the journey back can be a bit painful.


What exactly does he teach to thousands of children who have been abused by pastors or other church scum? Did they "deserve it" because "they are too far away from the light"?

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #151 on: March 28, 2011, 02:58:15 PM »
Jesus was a mushroom. A fungus among us.



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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #152 on: March 28, 2011, 03:16:44 PM »

theres no such thing as evil, i use the word to describe actions that are not heavenly. evil is just selfishness.  we are not god, we are gods best attempt at creating perfect creatures, we are all given a conscousness that helps us grow throughout our lives.
 no way of knowing what exactly?

polarity defines our existence just so you know. You know right from wrong, man from woman. You can't quantify good without knowing what qualities it doesn't have ie bad or evil.

You also can't say god knows all then is all powerful and all good,simply because it implies that god lets bad things happen to good people, which is evil no matter what way you slice it. A benevolent being would not let harm come to those he loves and those who do not deserve it. The randomness and pure disregard this universe shows for human life is a testement to that.

and for the knowing concept, you keep saying that this life is a small part of what will happen etc.. ie conjecture. For one you have no idea if there is an afterlife, you have no idea of what will happen when we die and to top it all off if i even grant you an afterlife you can say nothing about it because you do not have knowledge of it simply because of it's nature, ie AFTER life.

not to mention the confounders and paradoxs you envoke with your assertions. So the body dies yet we still sense? without the sense organ? blind people would disagree. This type of magical thinking is dangerous, acting as if you are enlightened when really you are irrational and have disregarded rational discourse in favor of fantasy and conjecture.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #153 on: March 28, 2011, 03:52:04 PM »
This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #154 on: March 28, 2011, 03:56:16 PM »
This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.
Trying to find a "reason" is motivated by the instinct of survival. The concept of hope is underlied by the instinct of survival.  Animals dont try to find a meaning to their life. They dont feel "hope". Dude read some books you are so ignorant it's pathetic. But i guess you re too old now. You dont know shit in anthropology, in ethology, in biology, in psychology, in neurology, in psychanalysis... You re a clown.
I guess our brain is a creation of god and hasnt been produced by processes of selection between several animal species over millions of years of development, and that all the old people in japan died in the earthquake and tsunami because they were ...evil?

Dude we are social animals who ally with each others only because it allows us to survive better. But if you have to kill someone else to insure your own survival you will. If you dont it's because you think you re not adapted, or that your instinct of survival tells you to allow someone of your own kind who has higher chances of survival to survive. It's all programmed, by simple rules, which are all underlied by the instinct of survival first and foremost. You can see this in animals, in "humans", in plants... What part of "Man is a specie of the animal reign" still didnt you understand? You re uneducated.

I dont know who s the biggest hypocrit, you not being able to stay with 4 different wives, you injecting steroids, while constantly pretending to be a faithful believer...dude. You re just another animal who built a system that allows him to survive, and your so called faith serves that only purpose in your life to sell your bullshits and improve your chances of survival, to identify with some people like you because it 's reassuring (hence improving your chances of survival). And you re talking about fairy tales ? If you believe inc onservatism it's because you met people you identified with or been raised by people who were conservatives. Had you been born somewhere else you d beleiveing something else. Had you been raised by people telling you to be a democrat you d be a democrat.  You re so clueless. Just another bullshiter using everything he has to fool people into giving him their money at the end of the day.

You just can accept there s no meaning and that it's all about pure randomness. The only real thing you need to know is that in life , when you "exist" you either eat or get eaten. You either dominate, or are dominated. Everything is struggle for survival.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #155 on: March 28, 2011, 04:03:05 PM »
This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.

existace?

no one needs one as no one knows. There is no reason to envoke a god a martian or anything else, just simply be honest and say you do not know.


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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #157 on: March 28, 2011, 04:10:46 PM »
Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #158 on: March 28, 2011, 04:12:09 PM »
Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!
Existence.    ;D

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« Reply #159 on: March 28, 2011, 04:14:41 PM »
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« Reply #160 on: March 28, 2011, 04:14:54 PM »
Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!

Explanation  ;D

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #161 on: March 28, 2011, 04:16:20 PM »
Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!

 ::)

so, why did these old japanese men and women get killed by an earthquake and tsunamis ? Because they "deserved it" ?  I'd like your explanation. Fact is you can't accept there's no explanation, cause it scares you. Non sense and randomness equals death. It means you could die in the minute if some major random natural disaster had to happen.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #162 on: March 28, 2011, 04:23:23 PM »
::)

so, why did these old japanese men and women get killed by an earthquake and tsunamis ? Because they "deserved it" ?  I'd like your explanation. Fact is you can't accept there's no explanation, cause it scares you. Non sense and randomness equals death. It means you could die in the minute if some major random natural disaster had to happen.
Because, it was Man's fault that they did not update the Nuclear Plant to today's standards, therefor e people must die in order for a lesson to be learned...man must learn a lesson thru his own ignorance and arrogance, so it won't happen again...

I just came with that off the top of my head.


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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2011, 04:32:59 PM »
Because, it was Man's fault that they did not update the Nuclear Plant to today's standards, therefor e people must die in order for a lesson to be learned...man must learn a lesson thru his own ignorance and arrogance, so it won't happen again...

I just came with that off the top of my head.


Just a guess
i'm talking about the earthquake and tsunami induced deaths.... some believer explains to me how it was fair, what s the justice in this? Old men and women who worked all life long, did their best to raise their kids, believed in some buddhist teachings, being crushed in their houses or drowned by seawater ? No man killed them. A natural disaster did.

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« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2011, 04:43:52 PM »
i'm talking about the earthquake and tsunami induced deaths.... some believer explains to me how it was fair, what s the justice in this? Old men and women who worked all life long, did their best to raise their kids, believed in some buddhist teachings, being crushed in their houses or drowned by seawater ? No man killed them. A natural disaster did.
God tests us with suffering to see if we will stay faithful to Him.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #165 on: March 28, 2011, 05:08:06 PM »
Trying to find a "reason" is motivated by the instinct of survival. The concept of hope is underlied by the instinct of survival.  Animals dont try to find a meaning to their life. They dont feel "hope". Dude read some books you are so ignorant it's pathetic. But i guess you re too old now. You dont know shit in anthropology, in ethology, in biology, in psychology, in neurology, in psychanalysis... You re a clown.
I guess our brain is a creation of god and hasnt been produced by processes of selection between several animal species over millions of years of development, and that all the old people in japan died in the earthquake and tsunami because they were ...evil?

Dude we are social animals who ally with each others only because it allows us to survive better. But if you have to kill someone else to insure your own survival you will. If you dont it's because you think you re not adapted, or that your instinct of survival tells you to allow someone of your own kind who has higher chances of survival to survive. It's all programmed, by simple rules, which are all underlied by the instinct of survival first and foremost. You can see this in animals, in "humans", in plants... What part of "Man is a specie of the animal reign" still didnt you understand? You re uneducated.

I dont know who s the biggest hypocrit, you not being able to stay with 4 different wives, you injecting steroids, while constantly pretending to be a faithful believer...dude. You re just another animal who built a system that allows him to survive, and your so called faith serves that only purpose in your life to sell your bullshits and improve your chances of survival, to identify with some people like you because it 's reassuring (hence improving your chances of survival). And you re talking about fairy tales ? If you believe inc onservatism it's because you met people you identified with or been raised by people who were conservatives. Had you been born somewhere else you d beleiveing something else. Had you been raised by people telling you to be a democrat you d be a democrat.  You re so clueless. Just another bullshiter using everything he has to fool people into giving him their money at the end of the day.

You just can accept there s no meaning and that it's all about pure randomness. The only real thing you need to know is that in life , when you "exist" you either eat or get eaten. You either dominate, or are dominated. Everything is struggle for survival.



I am quite sure that when completely immersing oneself into such an opinionated and somewhat logical diatribe, the very least one may be expected to do is proof-read, or at least use spellcheck, if for nothing else, just to maintain a sense of "credibility" so that those of us who might have somewhat of an education are not completely turned off by your inability to be thorough.

It makes no logical sense to lower yourself to name calling and describing someone as "pathetic" - and then speaking of hypocrisy. Get my drift Einstein?


BTW, Einstein may have been a genius, but was also a pedophile. Ironic isn't it?

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #166 on: March 28, 2011, 05:13:37 PM »
could god microwave a burrito so hot that He could not eat it?


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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #167 on: March 28, 2011, 05:15:28 PM »
could god microwave a burrito so hot that He could not eat it?





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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #168 on: March 28, 2011, 05:26:13 PM »
could god microwave a burrito so hot that He could not eat it?



No. But if he microwaves a burrito in a plastic container, he may get cancer.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #169 on: March 28, 2011, 05:44:41 PM »

I am quite sure that when completely immersing oneself into such an opinionated and somewhat logical diatribe, the very least one may be expected to do is proof-read, or at least use spellcheck, if for nothing else, just to maintain a sense of "credibility" so that those of us who might have somewhat of an education are not completely turned off by your inability to be thorough.

It makes no logical sense to lower yourself to name calling and describing someone as "pathetic" - and then speaking of hypocrisy. Get my drift Einstein?


BTW, Einstein may have been a genius, but was also a pedophile. Ironic isn't it?

Asking too much?
Einstein abandoned his wife and second son who became paranoid, schizoid and killed himself in a psychiatric hospital. His first son -he raised with his first wife (the same) before leaving her for another one- became an engeener in the united states. A part of his biography he was obviously not proud of and that made him question human condition and his own existence on earth. Odds are high both his sons were extremely intelligent, as he was, but because the second son has been abandonned and faced the separation of his parents became crazy and hateful.

Einstein was definetely not a pure soul. Some say he also stole from other people most of what other said he 'discovered' .


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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #170 on: March 28, 2011, 06:00:14 PM »
God tests us with suffering to see if we will stay faithful to Him.
Well, these tests need to be multiple choice, with a Option D...
God needs to get with the program...why must HE be so old skool?

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #171 on: March 28, 2011, 06:07:16 PM »
As I've said on here before, how I am on here is not the way I am in real life. I have one person that can judge me and although when I'm confronted on HERE, I sometimes am not proud of actions. But even though, when asked, even from the people who dislike me, I help as long as its sincere. I can't tell you the number of people I have helped or givin advise to (when asked) that have only gone to backstab me in a thread. I chose not to help or answer anymore on here unless I know who the poster is.

Then you are not a true follower of the Christ.  As to the number of people you've helped, do I, an atheist need to remind you of Jesus' words?  What you do, do in secret so that your father in heaven may reward you. 

Is it so difficult to be what you claim to be?

Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!

It's not faith unless you actually live it.  Sans any action, any holding fast to and really living your beliefs you have no faith.  Just words written in a book.  If there were faith, then and only then would those words be written on your heart.  As you have closed your heart, you might as well close the book.  You have eyes.  Open them.  You have ears. Use them.  By your actions you mock the one you claim to worship and in doing so belittle something that should be special. 

Don't worry.  You've plenty of company.  Especially on Sundays.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #172 on: March 28, 2011, 06:15:00 PM »
God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge. that is something only an imperfect egotistical entity would desire. revenge is evil. eternal damnation is evil. God is perfect and has no evil in him. the idea of hell and eternal damnation is ludacris. God is all powerful and all good, he sends no one to hell, hell doesnt exist. neither does satan. same reason why hell doesnt exist. God wouldnt allow it.  everyone will make it into heaven, good or bad. the good ones will have an easy time. the bad people will have to learn how to be good, and through this process they will suffer greatly through grief over their wrong doings. because to be good you must feel sadness over wrong. the more bad you are in this life, the more pain and suffering you will experience while you learn to be heavenly. everything balances out when you extend the time period long enough.

As the late, great, Sam Kinison  said - "Suck the dick.  Lose the Kingdom."

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #173 on: March 28, 2011, 07:32:48 PM »
polarity defines our existence just so you know. You know right from wrong, man from woman. You can't quantify good without knowing what qualities it doesn't have ie bad or evil.

You also can't say god knows all then is all powerful and all good,simply because it implies that god lets bad things happen to good people, which is evil no matter what way you slice it. A benevolent being would not let harm come to those he loves and those who do not deserve it. The randomness and pure disregard this universe shows for human life is a testement to that.

and for the knowing concept, you keep saying that this life is a small part of what will happen etc.. ie conjecture. For one you have no idea if there is an afterlife, you have no idea of what will happen when we die and to top it all off if i even grant you an afterlife you can say nothing about it because you do not have knowledge of it simply because of it's nature, ie AFTER life.

not to mention the confounders and paradoxs you envoke with your assertions. So the body dies yet we still sense? without the sense organ? blind people would disagree. This type of magical thinking is dangerous, acting as if you are enlightened when really you are irrational and have disregarded rational discourse in favor of fantasy and conjecture.

Dude, you're making too much sense for tbombz.
The kid thinks he knows more than he really does. Every time he opens his mouth about religion/faith/god  it makes me cringe.

I used to have a real life tbmobz that was in 2 of my classes in college. Fucker would just spew off random bullshit he would come up with trying to have a discussion with the prof...the whole time he was thinking he knew more and better until a few choice words would show he's an idiot and the whole class would start snickering because everybody just witnessed an idiot get owned.

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Re: For All Atheists: This is your scientifically proven Fate
« Reply #174 on: March 28, 2011, 07:44:20 PM »
Dude, you're making too much sense for tbombz.
The kid thinks he knows more than he really does. Every time he opens his mouth about religion/faith/god  it makes me cringe.

I used to have a real life tbmobz that was in 2 of my classes in college. Fucker would just spew off random bullshit he would come up with trying to have a discussion with the prof...the whole time he was thinking he knew more and better until a few choice words would show he's an idiot and the whole class would start snickering because everybody just witnessed an idiot get owned.

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Are you sayin' tbombz could challenge a collegiate academia professor in a lively debate? ;D