Before Pro Bodybuilding

[Disgusted]

Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?

[Coach is Back!]

I agree 10000%, now you just have to convince the judges.

[Firemuscle]

Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?

 Almost everything was better when it was smaller and money wasn't involved as much.

 Bodybuilding was too of course.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?

But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.

[Disgusted]

I agree 10000%, now you just have to convince the judges.

Fuck trying to convince them. How bout someone just hold a show with just the basics and go back to judging the way it used to be. Call it Mr. Whatever and give them a nice trophy like the old days.

[flexingtonsteele]

Guys competed for a title. They competed because they loved to compete, not for money. They had no sponsors and most of them had real jobs. Shows were usually held in a school auditorium and no one cared about what the general public thought about them. Yes they used drugs, but most of them had symmetrical physiques with a small waist. Sometimes I think going backwards would actually be taking a step forward?

Sadly those days are gone bro.

Now we have insulin and growth hormone filled abominations representing the "sport" you used to love.

Its in the gutter bro! Its not coming back.

[Disgusted]

But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.

I'd say no, but coach was around it more than me so maybe he could answer that.

[Disgusted]

Sadly those days are gone bro.

Now we have insulin and growth hormone filled abominations representing the "sport" you used to love.

Its in the gutter bro! Its not coming back.

Maybe, but think of how many guys who are young and would like to compete, but never will due to the amount of drugs they have to do. The competitors only look like that because that's what the judges are rewarding. If someone comes in looking like a fat wrestler then they place last.

[Coach is Back!]

But wasn't the "sport" 100% gay back then? Opposed to today where its only 95%.

No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.

[Skeletor]

Almost everything was better when it was smaller and money wasn't involved as much.

 Bodybuilding was too of course.

Agreed.

[Coach is Back!]

Maybe, but think of how many guys who are young and would like to compete, but never will due to the amount of drugs they have to do. The competitors only look like that because that's what the judges are rewarding. If someone comes in looking like a fat wrestler then they place last.

Unfortunately, like us when we were growing up, they open a magazine and see these huge bodybuilders, train there asses off only to realize they're magazine hero's are juiced to the gills and resort to what a lot of us, did only in this day and age, it's much more dangerous.  

[Disgusted]

No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.

I remember seeing Chris Dickerson leaving the Veterans Memorial in 1981 after placing second to the one legged lactating wonder and he was dressed in a suit. He looked pretty sharp in it too. Can you imagine some of these guys today wearing a suit?

[DK II]

No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.

I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.

Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.

Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.


Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.

[Disgusted]

I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.

Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.

Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.


Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.

So are you saying that Arnold at his best couldn't win a local show? Because what ever he took for his Olympia wins allowed him to look a ton better than most of these guys today.

[Coach is Back!]

I disagree on the drug issue, unless you talk about the 1920s.

Back in the late 60s and early 70s, drug use was as prominent as it is today, what was different i think is the amount of drugs and the relentlessness with which drugs are applied even by people that just started working out.

Let'S believe Vince Basile for a moment, back then you could win a Mr Canada with some Dianabol, to compete in the Mr Olympia you would have needed much more.


Today you wouldn't even win a local show with the 1975 Mr Olympia stack.

I didn't say no body was taking it, I'm saying that training came first. Back then I was one Dr.Kerr's patients so I know first hand what came first and what came second.

Jim, Dickerson was one of the pros I had in mind when i wrote that post. He had class with professionalism. Jim Morris and Bob Paris were the same way.

[flexingtonsteele]

Maybe, but think of how many guys who are young and would like to compete, but never will due to the amount of drugs they have to do. The competitors only look like that because that's what the judges are rewarding. If someone comes in looking like a fat wrestler then they place last.

Either the judging needs to be changed ( which it wont )

Or there needs to be a "classic" division or something like that started.

[DK II]

So are you saying that Arnold at his best couldn't win a local show? Because what ever he took for his Olympia wins allowed him to look a ton better than most of these guys today.

Well, Arnold is Arnold, but yes i think he couldn't win a local show.

If you forget for a moment that he is Arnold, he would be too smooth, legs are not big enough, abs are not deeply cut and he hasn't got striated butt cheeks.

I agree that Arnold looks much better than todays BB, but then again that is what the judges want, just take for example Swampi the Cocksmith winning "Amateur Mr Olympia", Arnold wouldn't stand a chance against him by today's standards.

[Disgusted]

Either the judging needs to be changed ( which it wont )

Or there needs to be a "classic" division or something like that started.

Yes or maybe someone just needs to hold some shows once a year in different places, very basic and fair judging.

[LittleJ]

So are you saying that Arnold at his best couldn't win a local show? Because what ever he took for his Olympia wins allowed him to look a ton better than most of these guys today.

Yes

[flexingtonsteele]

Yes or maybe someone just needs to hold some shows once a year in different places, very basic and fair judging.

Maybe someone in Yorkville Ohio could do it? 

[DK II]

Yes or maybe someone just needs to hold some shows once a year in different places, very basic and fair judging.

That would be great, back then Mr Olympia was in a different country every year, that's great IMO.

[flexingtonsteele]

It's too late.  The envelope has been pushed, and there's no going back.  Look at FBB, they've tried for years reeling it in.  It is IMPOSSIBLE.  It's not the schmoes and the judges, it's just the progression of the "sport", even if it is in a horrible direction.

Bodybuilding is the only "sport" that has progressed yet it has taken 1000 steps backwards at the same time.

[flexingtonsteele]

That would be great, back then Mr Olympia was in a different country every year, that's great IMO.

How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??

They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.

Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.

[Disgusted]

Well, Arnold is Arnold, but yes i think he couldn't win a local show.

If you forget for a moment that he is Arnold, he would be too smooth, legs are not big enough, abs are not deeply cut and he hasn't got striated butt cheeks.

I agree that Arnold looks much better than todays BB, but then again that is what the judges want, just take for example Swampi the Cocksmith winning "Amateur Mr Olympia", Arnold wouldn't stand a chance against him by today's standards.

Well, back then big legs weren't needed, but it's not to say that these guys couldn't build them bigger. Once Platz came on the scene everyone started concentrating on bigger legs and it went from there.

Now, as far as Arnold and Sami, post some pics of these two. Sami isn't even on the same planet as far as comparison.

[DK II]

How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??

They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.

Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.

Yes, "classic BB" is the most prominent class in Europe, much more competitors than in "real" BB.

Also a much better alternative than the boardshorts Bullshit.