Before Pro Bodybuilding

[LittleJ]

Dr Kerr used to recommend 4 X 5 mg a day of Dbol OR 2 X 5O mg of Anadrol. If you look at the Anadrol that's 700 mg a week. I thought Anadrol SUCKED and never liked it. Same with testosterone. All it ever gave me was bloat and HORRIBLE acne.

Decca, Methandriol dep, Dbol, anavar, Finajet, Equapoise... (not all at once... 2 interchangeably) MR approved.

Where did the "use test in every cycle" come from?

[Disgusted]

Good point. You are correct though at some point he would have had to use it to determine if he liked it or not.  Pete was the original "guru" and had probably 50 regular clients (equals lab rats and customers) so he was able to observe what worked or didn't for them and then use it or not on himself. He would take an entire bottle of Anavar at a sitting but I think he did a lot of things for shock value of those observing.

Pretty sure Vic Richards liked high dose Anavar, up in the range of 150 to 200 mgs daily.

[hazbin]

Orals were used a lot more back then so for example 500 mgs of dbol a week would give you a lot better results than say 500 mgs of test. I'm not saying this is exact just trying to give an example. Personally I am getting sick of what I see on stage as of the last 5 years or so. Ronnie in 03 looked great and was about the limit for me as to how big he could get, but now I see guys trying to surpass him and they do not have the genetics to look good with all the slin in them. I would love see what someone would look like using just anabolics. Deca, dbol, Drol, winny tren during contest prep and some test.

from Dr. Kerr's book

[local hero]

Dr Kerr used to recommend 4 X 5 mg a day of Dbol OR 2 X 5O mg of Anadrol. If you look at the Anadrol that's 700 mg a week. I thought Anadrol SUCKED and never liked it. Same with testosterone. All it ever gave me was bloat and HORRIBLE acne.

Decca, Methandriol dep, Dbol, anavar, Finajet, Equapoise... (not all at once... 2 interchangeably) MR approved.

all the older lads will attest to this being the best drug on the planet, the original parabolin

[Alex23]

all the older lads will attest to this being the best drug on the planet, the original parabolin

I heard that a couple of times... but how different is it from tren made from fina pellets?

[LittleJ]

You just named as far far as I'm concerned the best bodybuilding drugs out there, maybe throw in some drol but like you say that is a personal preference thing. More quality muscle was built with these drugs than anything ever used.

Have you ran tren and eq alone?

[Disgusted]

I heard that a couple of times... but how different is it from tren made from fina pellets?

I used real Para before. I used one amp bout every 5 days. I know that may not sound like much, but I got strong as hell. I was using 1/2 of drol with it too and nothing else. I remember using 120 DB for seated presses for 10 reps.

[Disgusted]

Have you ran tren and eq alone?

No, but I ran EQ and anavar alone before. Don't remember exact doses but I think the var was around 35 mgs daily and the EQ at 400 weekly. I put on 9 solid pounds in about 5 weeks. I never used tren, well I have but never at high enough doses and long enough to give an opinion about it as it scared me too much back then. Oh forgot to say I went from 240 to 249 on that cycle. Back then I had a tiny waist.  

[Alex23]

I used real Para before. I used one amp bout every 5 days. I know that may not sound like much, but I got strong as hell. I was using 1/2 of drol with it too and nothing else. I remember using 120 DB for seated presses for 10 reps.

Holy shit... I heard similar stories just a couple of weeks ago for a another old time ..  Apparently Parabolan is almost a religion...

What was so different about it? Same ester, similar dosage...

Honestly I agree with you that tren is for cows but still there's something about it..

[Disgusted]

Holy shit... I heard similar stories just a couple of weeks ago for a another old time ..  Apparently Parabolan is almost a religion...

What was so different about it? Same ester, similar dosage...

Honestly I agree with you that tren is for cows but still there's something about it..

Pellets are an acetate ester were Para was the longer. (cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e) The pellets were a pain to convert. On a side note now a days you always see tren looking a slight brownish color even when it's enanthate just like the pellets looked and with real Para as I recall it was clear. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

[Alex23]

Pellets are an acetate ester were Para was the longer. (cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e) The pellets were a pain to convert. On a side note now a days you always see tren looking a slight brownish color even when it's enanthate just like the pellets looked and with real Para as I recall it was clear. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

LOL prolly both acetates.. why use raw powders when you can get pellets from any vet store..

that brownish... the pellet are certainly not all pure tren.. the "binding agent" must react with the solvents, benzyl alcohol or benzyl benzoate..oxydize a little.. then millipore filter all you want... the "glue" is semi-dissolved and ends up in the solution...

Often ppl say tren is hard on the kidneys.. well so is benzyl alcohol. at 10%+ to dissolve those "pellets" it surely has a duress effect...

[Max_Rep]

Where did the "use test in every cycle" come from?

It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.

You just named as far as I'm concerned the best bodybuilding drugs out there, maybe throw in some drol but like you say that is a personal preference thing. More quality muscle was built with these drugs than anything ever used.

Very true Disgusted. I didn’t learn that from a book (some from Dr. Kerr’s book when I was a patient). I learned from training with the best.

I was only able to get Finijet once. It was about 1983. It was a 50 ml brown bottle with I think French on the label. I mixed it with Anavar… holy giver of muscle! I hadn’t done a cycle in 9 months because I wanted to trim down for some photo’s. I about doubled my strength on everything in 6 weeks and gained about 20 pounds at 5’7”.

My favorite cycle was Methandriol and dbol. Worked really well for me. Good size gains, no acne, good hardness…. lot’s a libido.

Of course, this is all fictional, right? No one is admitting to any illegal activity or giving out a recipe.  

[Mr Nobody]

 

[hazbin]

i spoke to Pete 4 years ago, and the doses he told me he took would absolutely blow your mind. super nice guy.

[Mr Nobody]

i spoke to Pete 4 years ago, and the doses he told me he took would absolutely blow your mind. super nice guy.

I bet. Widest shoulders ever. Good dude.

[gh15]

Pellets are an acetate ester were Para was the longer. (cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e) The pellets were a pain to convert. On a side note now a days you always see tren looking a slight brownish color even when it's enanthate just like the pellets looked and with real Para as I recall it was clear. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

no,,

very important to read and understand what gh15 write here for pupils,,

trenbolona that is browner and more dark golden been oxidize and not as pure,, the reason you had yellow or dark yellow is because it was very good powder with high quality,,the most important thing is the quality of poweder for trenblolona,,so slight brownish = less good...yellowish to golden yellowish = very good,, no oxidation is what you look for and want,,

pellets are ok but its nothing like high quality powders that are 97+ %,,

what you see in fellas such as the murderer back in day ,,kevin ,,me,, was and is all legit high quality trenbolona powder of the best kind cooked by the best most loyal cooks you can find which = over doses in every case and over dosed high quality raw!

the longer ester doesnt work as good as shorter easter because trenblolona is a drug needed to be taken once a day and sometimes even twice a day for best most shoking results ,,its like fat burner ....only with the ability to put on lean muscle on you ,,and infact there is no question about it friends,,trenbolona wil put lean muscle on you and with gh it will look highly impressive and quite fast ,,we talking transformation on 4 iu gh and 100mg trenbolona a day in less than 100days,,complete and utter transformation  into a competetive lookin bodybuild

gh15 approved

[pellius]

no,,

very important to read and understand what gh15 write here for pupils,,

trenbolona that is browner and more dark golden been oxidize and not as pure,, the reason you had yellow or dark yellow is because it was very good powder with high quality,,the most important thing is the quality of poweder for trenblolona,,so slight brownish = less good...yellowish to golden yellowish = very good,, no oxidation is what you look for and want,,

pellets are ok but its nothing like high quality powders that are 97+ %,,

what you see in fellas such as the murderer back in day ,,kevin ,,me,, was and is all legit high quality trenbolona powder of the best kind cooked by the best most loyal cooks you can find which = over doses in every case and over dosed high quality raw!

the longer ester doesnt work as good as shorter easter because trenblolona is a drug needed to be taken once a day and sometimes even twice a day for best most shoking results ,,its like fat burner ....only with the ability to put on lean muscle on you ,,and infact there is no question about it friends,,trenbolona wil put lean muscle on you and with gh it will look highly impressive and quite fast ,,we talking transformation on 4 iu gh and 100mg trenbolona a day in less than 100days,,complete and utter transformation  into a competetive lookin bodybuild

gh15 approved

When talking about tren I always read, even guys like Bench and Disgusted insist, that you should only use tren for 6 up to 8 weeks max because it's hard on your kidneys. You seem to recommend that, if serious, to stay on virtually all the time, at least 3 months (as you just mentioned) and that you are safe as long as you don't go crazy with dose like 200mg/day along with alcohol and rec drugs.

How toxic is tren and why would it be harder on your kidneys than any other injectables? Though I didn't think injectables were particularly toxic to your kidneys.
 

[Max_Rep]

[Mr Nobody]

Damn massive for his day.

[Disgusted]

no,,

very important to read and understand what gh15 write here for pupils,,

trenbolona that is browner and more dark golden been oxidize and not as pure,, the reason you had yellow or dark yellow is because it was very good powder with high quality,,the most important thing is the quality of poweder for trenblolona,,so slight brownish = less good...yellowish to golden yellowish = very good,, no oxidation is what you look for and want,,

pellets are ok but its nothing like high quality powders that are 97+ %,,

what you see in fellas such as the murderer back in day ,,kevin ,,me,, was and is all legit high quality trenbolona powder of the best kind cooked by the best most loyal cooks you can find which = over doses in every case and over dosed high quality raw!

the longer ester doesnt work as good as shorter easter because trenblolona is a drug needed to be taken once a day and sometimes even twice a day for best most shoking results ,,its like fat burner ....only with the ability to put on lean muscle on you ,,and infact there is no question about it friends,,trenbolona wil put lean muscle on you and with gh it will look highly impressive and quite fast ,,we talking transformation on 4 iu gh and 100mg trenbolona a day in less than 100days,,complete and utter transformation  into a competetive lookin bodybuild

gh15 approved

Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml)  was also clear. I NEVER once saw yellow tren of any kind until the pellets came on the scene and I've personally seen both. There was a ton of this stuff floating around back in the early 80's. Also, I am still of the opinion that tren should not ever be used by a non competitor. I personally know two guys who have had kidney problems from using tren. One guy was just shy of losing his kidneys and the other not so bad but still bad enuff. They both are of the opinion that tren use as in too much and not enuff breaks messed with their kidneys.

[Disgusted]

It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.

Very true Disgusted. I didn’t learn that from a book (some from Dr. Kerr’s book when I was a patient). I learned from training with the best.

I was only able to get Finijet once. It was about 1983. It was a 50 ml brown bottle with I think French on the label. I mixed it with Anavar… holy giver of muscle! I hadn’t done a cycle in 9 months because I wanted to trim down for some photo’s. I about doubled my strength on everything in 6 weeks and gained about 20 pounds at 5’7”.

My favorite cycle was Methandriol and dbol. Worked really well for me. Good size gains, no acne, good hardness…. lot’s a libido.

Of course, this is all fictional, right? No one is admitting to any illegal activity or giving out a recipe.  

No, but the fictional character Disgusted wishes he could go back in time do a few more of those type cycles. 

[pellius]

Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml)  was also clear. I NEVER once saw yellow tren of any kind until the pellets came on the scene and I've personally seen both. There was a ton of this stuff floating around back in the early 80's. Also, I am still of the opinion that tren should not ever be used by a non competitor. I personally know two guys who have had kidney problems from using tren. One guy was just shy of losing his kidneys and the other not so bad but still bad enuff. They both are of the opinion that tren use as in too much and not enuff breaks messed with their kidneys.

Could it be that they now make it in higher dosages and the higher concentration gives it the color?

[TrueGrit]

One thing i always wondered, is how cum the iron age guys from the 70's never had any sides (brutal acne, gyno..etc)?

Colombo had gyno when he won the O.

[Disgusted]

Could it be that they now make it in higher dosages and the higher concentration gives it the color?

I don't see how, I've seen the acetate at 50 mgs and still pretty dark.

[pellius]

It came from Dan Duchaine and Mike Zumpano in their original Underground Steroid Guide. Before that test wasn’t used much but they said it was a “poor man’s decca”. Then everyone started using it.  

Dr. Michael Walzak (sp?), who was a good friend of the owner of the gym I trained at, Jim Barlow (I would find out later they were REALLY good friends), gave a talked at our gym. It wasn't really a seminar because it wasn't advertised but just sort of word of mouth that he may be stopping by. He talked about how he believed steroids should be used and pretty much all he prescribed, at the least to the general public (this is in the early 1980s when it wasn't controlled) was Organon Deca and Ciba Dianabol. I asked him about testosterone and that I wanted to try it. It's kind of funny and embarrassing when I looked back but I was trying to grow a mustache because I wanted to look older. I was about 20 yo at the time but people use to think I was still in high school. This became an issue when I wanted to date a girl who was my age. When I started fishing around for the opportunity to pop the question she asked me what high school I was going to. That ended it for me. Anyway, all I could manage on my own was sparse tuffs of post pubertal chin hair and this pathetic pencil stache that made me look like a Mexican. I wanted the full monty Tom Selleck look.

Walzak said that he didn't believe in using testosterone unless you are deficit and only as replacement. He said that the whole point for developing anabolic steroids in the first place was to refine and improve on testosterone. To enhance and promote the anabolic/muscles building properties and minimize the androgenic secondary sexual characteristics. He said straight out that it was less effective than anabolic steroids with more side effects. Of course, I didn't ask him about it's effectiveness on growing manly facial hair. Still, to this day I can't grow a decent mustache. I only shave 2 or 3 times a week but mostly because what whiskers I do have is not evenly distributed. I can't even get that old time Clint Eastwood kick butt five o'clock shadow look.