Before Pro Bodybuilding

[Disgusted]

There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.

You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.

[almard]

There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.

You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.

Jim,

what do you think instead of increase the anabolic, to use 500 test only and blast the GH in high doses(( No anabolics))......Not for competing thought...

Would you think to keep the Test low and use Only GH in high doses will give a good/ better resualt than add anabolic or whatever....

[gh15]

I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a  pound of muscle  and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test

and i shall explain you right now why trenbolona is better,, TRENBOLONA DOES NOT BLURR YOUR PHYSIQE ,,DOES NOT HIDE IT UNDER TONS OF LAYERS OF SHIT,,WHAT IT DOES IS SCULPTING IT ,,YOU CAN TAKE 300 MG OF TRENBOLONA AND WONT GAIN WATER ,,YOU WILL REMAIN IN CONSTANT WATER ON FRAME OR EVEN REDUCE IT WHILE BODYFAT IS REDUCED EVERY SINGLE WEEK,, THATS WHY TRENBOLONA IS SO CHASED AFTER BY ALL OF US,,SAME AS GH ONLY ANABOLIC AND ANDROGENIC STEROID!


 
when i say trenbolona is the drug of choice it is because when you take trenbolona you can be some no one walking around 13-15% bodyfat and suddenly after 3 -4 months on trenbolona you enter a bar and the coctail waitress think you are a profesional bodybuilder,,now true public know nothing about nothing,,but in reality if someone ask you how long you are profesional bodybuild....and you jus tstarted hormonizing yourself with trenbolona 3 months back...that says it all about the hormone you are using my friend,,

true most fellas who use trenbolona also use gh with it and testosterona but! the trenbolona gives a very uniqe quality tlook that is there even when you stop the gh for a while and after gh water go away the trenbolona is there till the end and keep you dense and thick and full and jacked and cut! it bring all the lines in and keep the lean muscle poundage on your frame while you take out the gh ....it gives you a twisted nasty illuion of massive fella when you are sitting 200lb looking like you are 220....

trenbolona is the reason you like the 90s bodybuild so much friend,,that is the exact reason trenbolona and gh ...very very importanto part of bodybuilders now days and since the 70s but major level of this drug into the 90s

there is no replacment to trenbolona,,we have yet to find it ,,it takes avaergae and make it much better than average ....


gh15 approved

[slaver]

[Disgusted]

NO! Have you ever seen a physique built solely on 500 mg of test? First you will not get much quality muscle size from 500 mg of test. Second, guys who use test only look terrible, red in the face, tons of water retention and always a soft look. People always forget the anabolic steroids were invented to get rid of the unwanted side effects of testosterone. Also, adding GH to an already terrible look will do nothing of benefit for you.

[gh15]

i have hard on now,,this is what woman shoudl look like friends,,you see it and want to destroy it!

gh15 approved

[tbombz]

You know this from experience or google?

both

[LittleJ]

So what's a good cycle without test?

[tbombz]

So what's a good cycle without test?

100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..

or 600-1000mg equipoise per week

or 600-1000mg deca per week

or 100mg masteron per day

or.....



just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shit aint rocket science

[Disgusted]

So what's a good cycle without test?

What TBombz said.  but I will caution that the doses he list are for advanced guys with some experience behind them. If you are a newbie grab some dbol and do a 8 weeks cycle at 30 mgs daily. Oh and forget about buying some HCG and liver protectants and all the other bullshit that everyone recommends. Total waste of time.

[wes]

100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..

or 600-1000mg equipoise per week

or 600-1000mg deca per week

or 100mg masteron per day

or.....



just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shit aint rocket science

I would use either deca or Equipoise....they give pretty much the same results.

Why waste gear?

[tbombz]

I would use either deca or Equipoise....they give pretty much the same results.

Why waste gear?

i didnt say both at the same time


but you could do that if you wanted to


i dont believe you can waste gear, well, i guess once you get up to a certain point, like say 2-3 grams, then anything over that would be wasted.

[wes]

i didnt say both at the same time

My bad bro. 

[tbombz]

My bad bro. 

people used to say that all the time tho. either use deca or equipoise. but not both at the same time. because they are very similar. but its just old school bro science. more steroids is more steroids.

[wes]

people used to say that all the time tho. either use deca or equipoise. but not both at the same time. because they are very similar. but its just old school bro science. more steroids is more steroids.

You may be right,but I`d alternate them.........unless of course I was rich! 

[no one]

Parabolin as in trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonat e, is colorless period. Also, the old Finaject (50mg per ml)  was also clear.

I'm using tren cyclo now. it is light yellow with a gold tinge. I can tell the difference between it and ace, so I know they are two different products and its not ace masquerading as cyclo. the old finaject was clear indeed. I'm sure there are reasons for the colour of this paste being what it is aside from not being legit product. source of powder, type of oil, way it's cooked etc.

great discussion btw. best thread on the board in some time. props to pellius, jim, max and gh for some great posts.

[almard]

What TBombz said.  but I will caution that the doses he list are for advanced guys with some experience behind them. If you are a newbie grab some dbol and do a 8 weeks cycle at 30 mgs daily. Oh and forget about buying some HCG and liver protectants and all the other bullshit that everyone recommends. Total waste of time.

If you are going to use Tren ace only, how would you  SAFELY cycle it for advance bodybuilders....as 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off...ect

[Disgusted]

If you are going to use Tren ace only, how would you  SAFELY cycle it for advance bodybuilders....as 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off...ect

That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.

[flexingtonsteele]

That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.

[Disgusted]

Chill bro, eat some pizza and relax.

[_bruce_]

Almost everything was better when it was smaller and money wasn't involved as much.

 Bodybuilding was too of course.

x1000

[gh15]

That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.

trenbolona

gh

testosterona prop

masterona

that is what you need to look like a bodybuilder,,


inorder to look like a large now day profesional bodybuild or top amatuer who compete for profesional car and place well...you need to add INSULIN to the above and gh in higher doses including grams of testosterona and equipona and nandrolona in the off time when you say you take some off time from competing



most fella want quality look ,,inorder to have quality look there got to be inside your blood the following compounds

trenbolona

gh

testosterona prop

masterona


those 4 are a must inorder to get quality look and maintain it,, yes you can do well with out gh only! after you used it already for few months and work on the window of fibers and fat burning it gave you....yes you can do well with out gh if! you are yougster at 20 year old that already have his own gh at all time high ,,,come 30 year old and you can forget about bodybuild with out gh at some time during the year preferably most time


gh15 approved

[gh15]

the thing with trenbolona is,,,it grow you lean ,,you dont gain weight on scale but you lose bodyfat like you been on meth for all your life with out looking like you are on meth....you chizel your body while maintinaing all muscle as in lean muscle,,you will weight 190 but you will look 220 i keep tellin you that ,,try this!

doses can not be 50 mg they have to be in the 100s 100 120 150 every day of high quality ,,you can go 150 every 2 day of high quality raw and that DOES NOT  mean cow pellets


gh15 approved

[wes]

After doings a few show ,I ran out of gear (mostly Enanthate and/or Sustanon) and money, but had plenty of tren acetate left.

I did a tren only cycle that probably lasted about 11 weeks as I did a couple more contests ...........got pretty hard,and looked Ok for me anyway, but my cock didn`t work too well afterwards! 

Took a while for my joint to get serious again. 

[Disgusted]

trenbolona

gh

testosterona prop

masterona

that is what you need to look like a bodybuilder,,


inorder to look like a large now day profesional bodybuild or top amatuer who compete for profesional car and place well...you need to add INSULIN to the above and gh in higher doses including grams of testosterona and equipona and nandrolona in the off time when you say you take some off time from competing



most fella want quality look ,,inorder to have quality look there got to be inside your blood the following compounds

trenbolona

gh

testosterona prop

masterona


those 4 are a must inorder to get quality look and maintain it,, yes you can do well with out gh only! after you used it already for few months and work on the window of fibers and fat burning it gave you....yes you can do well with out gh if! you are yougster at 20 year old that already have his own gh at all time high ,,,come 30 year old and you can forget about bodybuild with out gh at some time during the year preferably most time


gh15 approved

Yes you may be right about that, but who wants to look like these guys today all bloofy and bloated.  I guess it all boils down to what your definition of a bodybuilder is. I know a guy who weighs around 235 at 6' 2 that looks pretty good.