Before Pro Bodybuilding

[LittleJ]

100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..

or 600-1000mg equipoise per week

or 600-1000mg deca per week

or 100mg masteron per day

or.....



just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shit aint rocket science

Thanks for your "expert" advice. If I ever become gay( like you) you can tell me how to take cock. It's just like a deep tissue massage? Right?

[pellius]

Walzak was a total flamer.  If I recall correctly, he had a place in Palm Springs where he would "help" bodybuilders...

I think that pretty much only Arnold and Franco made money at bodybuilding in those days with their courses and guest posing stints at contests at the local,  state or national level.   

As for cycling of their drugs, most if not all of the guys back then went off for periods of time.  It makes sense to give your body a rest from that shit but today's fags in heat stay on constantly at dosages that would suffice for the entire Oakland Raiders team.  Fuck that noise.

LOL @ Walzak being a flamer. His buddy, the gym owner I mentioned, Jim Barlow, also was but more discrete. At that time I was just too naive. Even though he lived alone except for the periods when he'd have young man staying with him and help him out running the gym. It's only after he died of AIDS (seriously) that I caught on. In the mid 1980s AIDS started to really take it's toll on the gays.

BTW, what do you mean "give your body a rest"? A rest from what? A hyper state of anabolic efficiency? It when you go off that your is more under stress and you are more in a catabolic state? The person feels it first hand. When you finally reach normalcy that's usually when a person goes back on. It's the up and down that Walzak didn't like. He prescribed very modest dosages (200 deca/3 Ciba dbol/day) and just believed in steady progression. Just like you don't start off eating 5,000 calories a day but work up to it as you get bigger.
 

[Disgusted]

BTW, what do you mean "give your body a rest"? A rest from what? A hyper state of anabolic efficiency? It when you go off that your is more under stress and you are more in a catabolic state? The person feels it first hand. When you finally reach normalcy that's usually when a person goes back on. It's the up and down that Walzak didn't like. He prescribed very modest dosages (200 deca/3 Ciba dbol/day) and just believed in steady progression. Just like you don't start off eating 5,000 calories a day but work up to it as you get bigger.
 

Bingo!!!!  slow and steadily increase doses over time.

[pellius]

I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a  pound of muscle  and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test

LOL, I'm past the stage in life for any mutation. I ain't stabbing myself 5-6x/wk. I can barely keep up with my weekly HRT schedule. It would be kind of funny though if after 20+ years of being around the same size I suddenly, at 50 years old age, start getting jacked. I'll just say I'm doing Basile's grand unified theory of hypertrophy training and eating Jamianca food.

[almard]

the thing with trenbolona is,,,it grow you lean ,,you dont gain weight on scale but you lose bodyfat like you been on meth for all your life with out looking like you are on meth....you chizel your body while maintinaing all muscle as in lean muscle,,you will weight 190 but you will look 220 i keep tellin you that ,,try this!

doses can not be 50 mg they have to be in the 100s 100 120 150 every day of high quality ,,you can go 150 every 2 day of high quality raw and that DOES NOT  mean cow pellets


gh15 approved

So what do you recomaned  safely of using tren for Noun compateter bodybuildier....You now Tren is amazing but still very strong at the kindny..

[pellius]

Thanks for your "expert" advice. If I ever become gay( like you) you can tell me how to take cock. It's just like a deep tissue massage? Right?

LOL!! Again Tdongz getting pwnd. Homo is a glutton for punishment. Being a bottom bitch does that to you.

[WillGrant]

I dont see why tren is so much better than any other AAS like deca. They both bind to the andogen receptor extremely well and plus nandrolone has studies to show it builds muscle mass on humans tren does not. All this stacking stuff gh15 says about some magic cocktail makes no sense. if you are 250 pounds of pure muscle tissue it does not matter how you get there. Lots of test no test little gh lot of insulin...gain a  pound of muscle  and gues what...it is a pound of muscle weather you do it on test or anadrol or tren or dbol. Pellius, bro just get 100 tabs of dbol and take 3 a day for 6 weeks and in one month you will be alot further in bbing than askin this shit. It's not like your gonna take the drugs gh15 says to anyways (am i wrong?)..kind of like my friend who carries a notebook wth him and writes his hypothetical cycles but has yet to pull the trigger and plays with 3 cycles a year 500mg test

Are you for fuckin real ?.Have you ever touched Tren ? It pisses all over testosterone(which is considered king) and nandralone both anabolicly and androgenicly but without the androgen sides of water etc etc Do some research and ffs keep quite until you have been doing this for a certain amount of time - hint: you arnt there yet  

Check out the anabolic to androgen ratios below.Theres a reason why Tren is considered the best BB compound of all time.

Compound:---------Androgenic------Anabolic

Nandrolone Decanoate                37------125
Test E/C/P/Susp & Blends           100------100
Tren Ace/Ena & Blends               500------500

[WillGrant]

i have hard on now,,this is what woman shoudl look like friends,,you see it and want to destroy it!

gh15 approved

QFT - My pants just went "pop" 

[WillGrant]

100mg tren acetate everyday... or every other day if your a newb..

or 600-1000mg equipoise per week

or 600-1000mg deca per week

or 100mg masteron per day

or.....



just pick a fuckin steroid and use it and shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shit aint rocket science

Run them all at doses listed above

[WillGrant]

people used to say that all the time tho. either use deca or equipoise. but not both at the same time. because they are very similar. but its just old school bro science. more steroids is more steroids.

Im on them both now and think they are great togeather 

[WillGrant]

great discussion btw. best thread on the board in some time. props to pellius, jim, max and gh for some great posts.

This 


And with that I'll finish my 5 post in a row meltdown 

[flexingtonsteele]

Chill bro, eat some pizza and relax.

[Max_Rep]

WOW looking good Max. How old in that pic?

Pic is ancient dude. About 1984 or 5. After training with Samir for 5 or 6 months, I moved to Redondo Beach. I trained there and clean for nine months and then did that photo shoot. I tried to post a recent pic and it said the file was to large. I'll try again later. Like I said somewhere not a contest winning body but thw kind of physique I wanted from when I first started years earlier.

[tbombz]

You may be right,but I`d alternate them.........unless of course I was rich!  

agreed

That would be OK but I don't think you are going to get much size off of tren alone.

  u jokin?   tren is the best roid for mass period! although a little test with it would make it work much better in the long run

Thanks for your "expert" advice. If I ever become gay( like you) you can tell me how to take cock. It's just like a deep tissue massage? Right?

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its better

Run them all at doses listed above

that would be fun  

Im on them both now and think they are great togeather  

brand?

[BIG ACH]

[Disgusted]

agreed
   u jokin?   tren is the best roid for mass period! although a little test with it would make it work much better in the long run

So if tren is best for mass bar none why would one need test to make it work better?

[tbombz]

So if tren is best for mass bar none why would one need test to make it work better?

because they would dry out and probably get injured or just stop gaining without any estrogen

[240 is Back]

the good ol days

[Disgusted]

because they would dry out and probably get injured or just stop gaining without any estrogen

Taking tren by itself does not suppress estrogen by lets say it does, the best mass drug is not the one that "dries you out" injures you and has limited gain potential meaning that it stops working for some reason. I have never known anyone who took tren by itself and got their best mass gains ever.

[tbombz]

Taking tren by itself does not suppress estrogen by lets say it does, the best mass drug is not the one that "dries you out" injures you and has limited gain potential meaning that it stops working for some reason. I have never known anyone who took tren by itself and got their best mass gains ever.

i absolutely agree with what your saying but i think the real issue isnt tren alone isnt that great but any steroid alone isnt that great. when compared to stacks like test+tren.

[pellius]

the good ol days

You mean tan lines?

[gh15]

i dont even knwo where to start with all the postings written above,,some are true some are he say some are just balonie,,i dnt know what to do anymore ,,i try to put you the way it is ill try again

this is the facts

1. arnold USED TRENBOLONA,,any bodybuilder used trenbolona,,TRENBOLONA WAS AROUND FROM LATE 60S IT WAS VETERINARY AND WAS AROUND,, arnold used it

2. tren does not does not grow bulk mass on you as in watery mass or mass with fat and water,,what tren ace does is increases your LEAN MUSCLE MASS VIA LOSS OF FAT ,,it is basicaly a safe dnp with anabolic effect since it is steroid.... it was meant and stil meant to increase lean mass on cows before killing them so you can buy them in your publix for 5 dolaros per lb rather than 3 dolaros per lb since the lean cow will be 4.5 % fat rather than 20% fat....

3. trenbolona harden you up and is a very slow diuretic ,,it is not diuretic per say but it is a safe slow diuretic that dial you in if done for long enough time,,it will harden you up,,help you lose bodyfat with zero cardio,,increase your lean muscle especially when done with gh ,,and ! will clear the lines from all the junk you have there between the skin and the muscle mainly fat and water...

4. trenbolona can safely be used at doses of 100 mg every day even 150mg for MONTHS ,,nothing to do with kidnys unles you dont drink at all but any drug will do damage if you dont drink even testosterona,,,you need to drink period not always like crazy and all the balonie you hear but you do need to drink and to keep hydrated ,,

and finaly THE REASON YOU HEAR ABOUT BODYBUIDL COLLAPSE AND DIE IS USUALY FROM PRE CONDITIONS AND IN MOST CASES BECAUSE MANY BODYBUILDERS AND OTHER WANNA BES WALK AROUND AND DO MUCH MORE THAN HORMONES,,THE HORMONES IS JUST THE CHERRY ON TOP OF THEIR MILKSHAKE.......THEY GOT UNDER IT FULLLL LOAD OF COAKE ,,PAIN KILLERS,, AND BOOZ TYPE OF WHIPCREAM


milshake + cherry on top = what you want

milshake full of whip cream where you cant see milkshake around because of this white disgusting cream that cover it all over = death

the bodybuild who fall victims to liver problems and kidny problems are first and formost recreational drug users and partyiers ,,they are not doing bodybuild for the love of bodybuild they do it just because by the way kinda thing


gh15 approved

[Primemuscle]

i dont even knwo where to start with all the postings written above,,some are true some are he say some are just balonie,,i dnt know what to do anymore ,,i try to put you the way it is ill try again

this is the facts

1. arnold USED TRENBOLONA,,any bodybuilder used trenbolona,,TRENBOLONA WAS AROUND FROM LATE 60S IT WAS VETERINARY AND WAS AROUND,, arnold used it

2. tren does not does not grow bulk mass on you as in watery mass or mass with fat and water,,what tren ace does is increases your LEAN MUSCLE MASS VIA LOSS OF FAT ,,it is basicaly a safe dnp with anabolic effect since it is steroid.... it was meant and stil meant to increase lean mass on cows before killing them so you can buy them in your publix for 5 dolaros per lb rather than 3 dolaros per lb since the lean cow will be 4.5 % fat rather than 20% fat....

3. trenbolona harden you up and is a very slow diuretic ,,it is not diuretic per say but it is a safe slow diuretic that dial you in if done for long enough time,,it will harden you up,,help you lose bodyfat with zero cardio,,increase your lean muscle especially when done with gh ,,and ! will clear the lines from all the junk you have there between the skin and the muscle mainly fat and water...

4. trenbolona can safely be used at doses of 100 mg every day even 150mg for MONTHS ,,nothing to do with kidnys unles you dont drink at all but any drug will do damage if you dont drink even testosterona,,,you need to drink period not always like crazy and all the balonie you hear but you do need to drink and to keep hydrated ,,

and finaly THE REASON YOU HEAR ABOUT BODYBUIDL COLLAPSE AND DIE IS USUALY FROM PRE CONDITIONS AND IN MOST CASES BECAUSE MANY BODYBUILDERS AND OTHER WANNA BES WALK AROUND AND DO MUCH MORE THAN HORMONES,,THE HORMONES IS JUST THE CHERRY ON TOP OF THEIR MILKSHAKE.......THEY GOT UNDER IT FULLLL LOAD OF COAKE ,,PAIN KILLERS,, AND BOOZ TYPE OF WHIPCREAM


milshake + cherry on top = what you want

milshake full of whip cream where you cant see milkshake around because of this white disgusting cream that cover it all over = death

the bodybuild who fall victims to liver problems and kidny problems are first and formost recreational drug users and partyiers ,,they are not doing bodybuild for the love of bodybuild they do it just because by the way kinda thing


gh15 approved

Good stuff!

[Disgusted]

A 1000 + mgs per week of tren for months safe? I'll pass on finding out.

[flexingtonsteele]

A 1000 + mgs per week of tren for months safe? I'll pass on finding out.

This guy told me he's been on tren since oct 10'.......