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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2011, 06:02:26 AM »
  I work for Netflix, and we obviously work with/through the postal service. I asked my boss what will happen with us if there is a shutdown and he couldn't answer.  ??? :-\

that's why i've got 28 movies in the 'instant play' wifi queue.
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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2011, 06:04:49 AM »
that's why i've got 28 movies in the 'instant play' wifi queue.


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2011, 06:12:06 AM »
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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2011, 06:54:49 AM »
White House Orders Agencies To Prep For Government Shutdown
TPM ^ | April 5, 2011, 8:43AM | Brian Beutler |




It's not just the House of Representatives.

In another sign that neither side in the spending cut fight is confident that a government shutdown can be avoided, the White House has ordered federal agencies to prep for a government shutdown.

Ed O'Keefe at the Washington Post obtained the memo from a federal official, and confirmed its authenticity with the Office of Management and Budget.

"[G]iven the realities of the calendar, good management requires that we continue contingency planning for an orderly shutdown should the negotiations not be completed by" April 8, the memo reads. More guidance should be forthcoming today. The development occurs just as House leadership is distributing guidance members of Congress about shutdown protocol.

Congressional leaders will meet with President Obama at the White House Tuesday in a last-ditch effort break the logjam and reach a spending deal before the end of the week. If an agreement isn't reached, both sides are at the ready to blame the other for the shutdown.


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2011, 07:01:26 AM »
Democrats don't like GOP plan to postpone shutdown
Sticking points in possible budget deal
Mon, Apr 4 2011
Related NewsRepublican budget plan envisions sharp cuts



WASHINGTON, April 5 | Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:21am EDT

WASHINGTON, April 5 (Reuters) - A Republican plan that would give negotiators another week to craft a budget deal and avoid a government shutdown is unacceptable to Democrats, a congressional aide said on Tuesday.

The proposal, released late Monday night, would fund the government on a temporary basis for one more week beyond Friday, when current funding runs out. It also would cut $12 billion from current levels.

(Reporting by Andy Sullivan; editing by Doina Chiacu)

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2011, 07:18:31 AM »
Shut it down and ObamaCare is DONE. The GOP campaigned on getting rid of this abomination (or Obamanation, if you will). Now, they can do it, even without control of the Senate and White House, by taking the money from it and NEVER FUNDING IT, until Obama and his liberal buddies are GONE.

The Dems don't care about shutdown; they're just hoping the GOP gets blamed for it. But, from what I've seen, this won't be the case. Someone needs to tell Howard Dean (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!) this ain't 1995.

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2011, 07:48:16 AM »
OK so let me get this right, the Dems controlled House, Senate, POTUS and didn't pass a budget, Only resolutions to keep the government funded. So now after the loose the house, its the Reps fault that the government may "shutdown"? That makes about as much sense as killing some one in Afghanistan for someone burning a book in Florida
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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2011, 07:55:39 AM »
Cantor says White House increasing odds of shutdown
WASHINGTON, April 5 | Tue Apr 5, 2011 10:24am EDT



WASHINGTON, April 5 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has increased the odds that the U.S. government will shut down when funding runs out on Friday by rejecting a Republican proposal that would have pushed the deadline back by one week, House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said on Tuesday.

"The White House now has increased the likelihood of a shutdown in just dismissing out of hand a vehicle that we have put forward to say, 'Look, we do not want a shutdown,'" Cantor told reporters after a meeting with fellow Republicans.

(Reporting by Thomas Ferraro; Editing by Doina Chiacu)


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2011, 08:13:53 AM »
you shut it down, and paul ryan's budget is overlooked - and it'll cut 400 bil per year, I believe.  All the news will be "you elected the tea party, some of them actually said they'd shut down the govt, and now look, it's shut down!"

I mean, it never shut down under pelosi, did it?  ???


Factually it's some bullshit, but that'll be what the average joe schmoe hears and thinks. 

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2011, 08:16:03 AM »
you shut it down, and paul ryan's budget is overlooked - and it'll cut 400 bil per year, I believe.  All the news will be "you elected the tea party, some of them actually said they'd shut down the govt, and now look, it's shut down!"

I mean, it never shut down under pelosi, did it?  ???


Factually it's some bullshit, but that'll be what the average joe schmoe hears and thinks. 

 ::)  ::)   It did shut down during pelosi because she spent like there was no tommorow, never did a real budget, and put us in the mess along with Obama over the last two years.   


Good job kneepadding though.


1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT and Bama the destroyer is threatening to shut the govt over a measily 60 billion in cuts.   Only a person so beyond reality  cant see who is as fault here.       

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2011, 08:17:58 AM »
Editorial: $4 Trillion In Cuts Is Just A Start


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/568095/201104041921/Ryans-Hope.htm

 
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Budget: Republicans are set to unveil common-sense changes to entitlements that cut spending $4 trillion over the next decade and start to restore our fiscal health. Predictably, do-nothing Democrats call them "extremist."

But who's the real extremist here? The one who recognizes that $10 trillion-plus in expected deficits over the next 10 years is a serious problem? Or those who insist there's no budget problem so bad that more spending and a massive tax hike on all Americans can't fix it?

Truth is, our long-term fiscal problem is so severe that, absent immediate corrective action, our country's political and economic future is imperiled.

By the Social Security and Medicare Trustees' own estimates, we are running headlong into a fiscal tsunami. All told, the government's entitlement accountants say, we have roughly $107 trillion in unfunded liabilities — $340,836 and change for every American alive today.

Even if you're generous and reduce that by the amount of assets the government has, the future red ink at the end of the 2010 fiscal year was still about $57 trillion — $7 trillion for federal pensions, $17 trillion for Social Security, $22 trillion for Medicare, and about $11 trillion or so in debt. That's $481,000 for every U.S. household.

For Democrats to refuse to cut spending in the face of such numbers is the definition of "extremist."

The fiscal cancer is growing fast. As the chart shows, based on estimates from the Government Accountability Office, spending on entitlements and interest on our debts will soar from just 11% of GDP this year to over half of our economy by 2065.

That means that, in that year, children born today will see 50 cents of every dollar they earn turned over to the government to pay for retirees' benefits. As intolerable as that is, today's Democrats have chosen to ignore it, screaming instead about "Wall Street" bailouts and "taxing the rich."

Unfortunately, the Democrats' panacea of higher taxes will sink the economy. Just to pay for Social Security and Medicare would require a near tripling of the current tax rate of 15.3% by the middle of the century.

Americans would be slowly bankrupted by such policies — and so would the government.

In that context, House Budget Committee chief Paul Ryan proposes $4 trillion in cuts. Extreme? Even if he cut $6 trillion, our national debt would still rise. Faced with $10 trillion in deficits, $4 trillion is just a modest start. Now we'll see who the real extremists are.


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2011, 08:19:44 AM »
Good job kneepadding though.
 

Please remove trump's cawk from your ear - I specifically said it was some bullshit, but that it's very possible the blame will be put upon repubs:

Factually it's some bullshit, but that'll be what the average joe schmoe hears and thinks. 

You never heard prominent dems calling for a govt shutdown during the election season.  I remember hearing it from tea party camp though.  Statements like that will help obama in 2012. 

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2011, 08:22:49 AM »
Please remove trump's cawk from your ear - I specifically said it was some bullshit, but that it's very possible the blame will be put upon repubs:

You never heard prominent dems calling for a govt shutdown during the election season.  I remember hearing it from tea party camp though.  Statements like that will help obama in 2012. 


Thats because they lov the fucking govt and want to spend until we are broke beyond repir

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2011, 08:44:51 AM »
obviously the spending is BS.  Obviously the dems WANT the shutdown so nobody hears about the new repub budget propsal cutting medicare, etc.

Sweet jeebus, I had no idea we were actually debating that - everyone knows that homie.

But I'm talking about the PERCEPTION.  The political angles boths sides will take.  The repubs passed a "don't shut down the govt" bill this week - it was actually called that - which is totally window dressing.  And the dems want to paint tea party repubs as nutbags intent on destroying the govt.

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2011, 09:30:02 AM »
If Obama can run a $1-2 trillion deficit every year, his chances of propping up the economy and avoiding a complete meltdown go up.  If he had to run a balanced budget, it would be hilarious to watch the Dems struggle to choose where to cut.  A balanced budget amendment to the constitution would be a no-brainer to most people.  

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2011, 09:47:24 AM »
How many people does the federal government employ?

Federal workers in shutdown limbo

The stakes are high. If lawmakers fail to pass some kind of spending bill by the end of Friday, hundreds of thousands of government employees are likely to be furloughed, and their paychecks stopped.

In already tough economic times, "One or two missing paychecks could spell disaster for these families," Dougan said.

Just who are these workers? According to government data, average employees are likely to be in their mid-40s.

They work in management, business or financial positions at the Department of Defense, Veterans Affairs or Homeland Security.

They tend to have graduated from college, live outside of Washington and are white. They make around $74,000 a year.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/04/news/economy/federal_workers_shutdown/index.htm?cnn=yes&hpt=Sbin



Let me get this straight, many of these government employees make around $74,000 a year and they say that "one or two missing paychecks could spell disaster"?  Can't they save up one to two months worth of expenses to prepare for such things?     ::)


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2011, 09:47:32 AM »
If Obama can run a $1-2 trillion deficit every year, his chances of propping up the economy and avoiding a complete meltdown go up.  If he had to run a balanced budget, it would be hilarious to watch the Dems struggle to choose where to cut.  A balanced budget amendment to the constitution would be a no-brainer to most people.  

why would Repubs not want to avoid a complete meltdown

Cheney allegedly said:  "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"

Seems like deficits only matter when the Dems are in the White House but surely if there was any valid reason to run a deficit it would be to avoid a "complete meltdown"

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2011, 10:20:59 AM »
Straw - its all a matter os scale.   And Cheney was dead wrong on the deficit issue.   

Do you have any clue how bad we are finances wise?

and Straw - please tell me why Obama abandoned the recomendations of the debt commission?   

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2011, 10:29:59 AM »
Straw - its all a matter os scale.   And Cheney was dead wrong on the deficit issue.   

Do you have any clue how bad we are finances wise?

and Straw - please tell me why Obama abandoned the recomendations of the debt commission?   

I'm talking about Repubs sudden interests in the deficit after not giving a shit and even reveling in it for 20+ years

There is no doubt it needs to be addressed but at the same time we're in the beginning stages of a recovery (with a long way to go) and to just slash and burn indiscriminately  will make things worse

The problem is that Repubs and Dems (and mostly Repubs in my opinion) can't get past their ideological biases.   I want to see both sides put some skin in the game

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2011, 10:35:17 AM »
Its all in relaton to GDP.  We are at almost WW2 levels.   

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2011, 10:44:51 AM »

Let me guess:


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2011, 10:48:50 AM »
Its all in relaton to GDP.  We are at almost WW2 levels.   

well we have been at war in Iraq, Afghanistan longer than WWII and Obama budget includes not only those costs but also the costs of the Bush Tax Cuts along with whatever they've spent (and 40% of this was more tax cuts) to try to keep the our economy from cratering

my issue is with the current batch of Repubs (many who have been in office for years) who are now suddenly deficit hawks. 


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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2011, 10:50:54 AM »
why would Repubs not want to avoid a complete meltdown
Cheney allegedly said:  "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"

Seems like deficits only matter when the Dems are in the White House but surely if there was any valid reason to run a deficit it would be to avoid a "complete meltdown"

The problem with continuing to borrow to fix the economy is that it guarantees a meltdown in the future.  Our best hope is to make cuts immediately and then drastically cut spending going forward.  We need to gradually ween this nation of freeloaders off the government teet.  Obama kicking the can down the road is a complete failure, any administration can do that.  

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2011, 10:54:47 AM »
The problem with continuing to borrow to fix the economy is that it guarantees a meltdown in the future.  Our best hope is to make cuts immediately and then drastically cut spending going forward.  We need to gradually ween this nation of freeloaders off the government teet.  Obama kicking the can down the road is a complete failure, any administration can do that.  


There is this guy at the gym who is a huge obama supporter I often talk to.  Former Wall Street guy.  He is a typical guilt ridden white lib yupie type.   But we can talk.  The one thing this guy still cant get over is the fact that obama walked away from his own deficit commission recommendations, which we both agreed were tame in relation to the problems.   

Can anyone please explain to me why obama tossed Simpson/Bowles in the trash?   

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Re: So if the Federal Government shuts down....
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2011, 11:09:19 AM »
There is this guy at the gym who is a huge obama supporter I often talk to.  Former Wall Street guy.  He is a typical guilt ridden white lib yupie type.   But we can talk.  The one thing this guy still cant get over is the fact that obama walked away from his own deficit commission recommendations, which we both agreed were tame in relation to the problems.   

Can anyone please explain to me why obama tossed Simpson/Bowles in the trash?   

Good question.  It looked like a plan that both parties could support.  What is comes down to is that Obama was never serious about cutting the spending.  He wants to be all things to all people, so he appointed the commission, but he also wants to appeal to the crowd waiting for their handouts.  Can't have it both ways.