Author Topic: So if the Federal Government shuts down.... (Read 6011 times)

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #75 on:** April 06, 2011, 09:50:08 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 09:48:34 AM

so old people who worked 40 years and are turning 66 and signing up -
they don't deserve social security.

But

According to Paul Ryan, corporations should be paying 25% INSTEAD of 35%. He wants to slash grandma so AIG can pay less in taxes.

That's freaking rich.

Again - Basic Math!

Straw Man · « **Reply #76 on:** April 06, 2011, 09:50:36 AM »

Quote from: newmom on April 06, 2011, 09:46:48 AM

why. they worked for that money. Put into it. Some I know are barely making it..One served our country for 2 wars..He deserves it

tough titties

he's just going to have to tighten his belt until corporations and the uber rich can finally get a fair deal from the government

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #77 on:** April 06, 2011, 09:52:36 AM »

If you paid in say 75k over a lifetime and "retire", at 65 y/o and die at 85 y/o and collect $1500 a month. Do the freaking math. that is madoff to a tee.

newmom · « **Reply #78 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:02:37 AM »

tough titties, Seriously..WTF

Sorry, he deserves all he gets from Social. He didn't even sign up for his social security until he was 71, when he retired from General Dynamics.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #79 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:04:50 AM »

Quote from: newmom on April 06, 2011, 10:02:37 AM

tough titties, Seriously..WTF

Sorry, he deserves all he gets from Social. He didn't even sign up for his social security until he was 71, when he retired from General Dynamics.

If you paid in 75k over a lifetime and start collecting at 65 y/o at 1500 a month. Do the math. this is madoff to a tee. its the definition of a ponzi scheme almost verbatum

240 is Back · « **Reply #80 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:05:12 AM »

Paul ryan would prefer give GE another 10% off their tax rate, than gie your 71 year old dad the chance to sign up for social security, thanks to the shutdown.

oh, and he's gonna cut the hell out of the medical treatment your pops will get too. *

*Most repubs are running fast from Ryan's slashing of medicare - nobody wants to support it on camera... can u blame them?

Straw Man · « **Reply #81 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:07:29 AM »

Quote from: newmom on April 06, 2011, 10:02:37 AM

tough titties, Seriously..WTF

Sorry, he deserves all he gets from Social. He didn't even sign up for his social security until he was 71, when he retired from General Dynamics.

join me on the sarcasm slide

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #82 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:07:36 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 10:05:12 AM

Paul ryan would prefer give GE another 10% off their tax rate, than gie your 71 year old dad the chance to sign up for social security, thanks to the shutdown.

oh, and he's gonna cut the hell out of the medical treatment your pops will get too. *

*Most repubs are running fast from Ryan's slashing of medicare - nobody wants to support it on camera... can u blame them?

Off yourself.

240 is Back · « **Reply #83 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:08:07 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:07:36 AM

Off yourself.

owned

newmom · « **Reply #84 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:08:19 AM »

My dad is 68 and works full time with no interest in retiring, he gets a nice check monthly from his almost 30 years of naval career...He doesn't collect social security. This is just a friend of the family..drives me crazy, he may not get what is DUE to him.

newmom · « **Reply #85 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:09:06 AM »

Quote from: Straw Man on April 06, 2011, 10:07:29 AM

join me on the sarcasm slide

I wasn't sure. I thought, wow that don't seem like Strawman

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #86 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:10:42 AM »

Quote from: newmom on April 06, 2011, 10:08:19 AM

My dad is 68 and works full time with no interest in retiring...He doesn't collect social security. This is just a friend of the family..drives me crazy, he may not get what is DUE to him.

Some get screwed, most collect more more in excess than they ever paid in. SS is the classic ponzi scheme by definition. Even the trusttee of of SS admitted to Peter Schiff its a madoff scheme!

Straw Man · « **Reply #87 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:12:12 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:04:50 AM

If you paid in 75k over a lifetime and start collecting at 65 y/o at 1500 a month. Do the math. this is madoff to a tee. its the definition of a ponzi scheme almost verbatum

you're forgetting the the employer pays in as well and the social security trust fund earns interest

this is not just a system where you get out what you pay in but rather a form of insurance

there are people who take out more than they pay in and vice versa

Straw Man · « **Reply #88 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:12:48 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:10:42 AM

Some get screwed, most collect more more in excess than they ever paid in. SS is the classic ponzi scheme by definition. Even the trusttee of of SS admitted to Peter Schiff its a madoff scheme!

I don't suppose you actually have a source for this claim

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #89 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:20:40 AM »

Quote from: Straw Man on April 06, 2011, 10:12:48 AM

I don't suppose you actually have a source for this claim

The Trustee of SS himself.

Freeborn126 · « **Reply #90 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:45:04 AM »

Social Security is unconstitutional, bottom line. LBJ's great society is a disaster, yet another example of government trying to do too much and making things worse. Where in it does the government get the authority to steal young people's money and give it to old people? Social Security should be voluntary.

They have been stealing money from me for years now and giving it to some lazy ass baby boomer who wants to retire at 65. I am not going to get any of that shit back. Why won't the government leave me alone and let me save up my own money for retirement?

Straw Man · « **Reply #91 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:50:37 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:20:40 AM

The Trustee of SS himself.

I'm not watching a 19 minute video

tell me what point in the video that claim is made and hopefully the person making the claim also states where he got the information

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #92 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:57:41 AM »

The whole interview is well worth listening to. Schiff interviews the trustee of SS and says its no different than a ponzi scheme but for intent and thast the only thing propping it up is the ability of the govt to keep taxing people.

kcballer · « **Reply #93 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:05:25 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:57:41 AM

The whole interview is well worth listening to. Schiff interviews the trustee of SS and says its no different than a ponzi scheme but for intent and thast the only thing propping it up is the ability of the govt to keep taxing people.

As i pointed out, the whole government is a ponzi scheme by this same rational. What you are forgetting is the key word - intent. The question isn't what cuts can we make, but what can we do to grow our revenue to make up the short fall.

Cutting does nothing but harm every single American who paid in over his/her lifetime. What needs to happen is a growth in revenue for the government, something that doesn't happen by cutting taxes to the rich.

Kazan · « **Reply #94 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:06:47 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 09:48:34 AM

so old people who worked 40 years and are turning 66 and signing up -
they don't deserve social security.

But

According to Paul Ryan, corporations should be paying 25% INSTEAD of 35%. He wants to slash grandma so AIG can pay less in taxes.

That's freaking rich.

Maybe you ask why SS money is in the general fund? Oh that's right LBJ and his fucking great society

You appear to me the type of person that only looks at the headline and doesn't want to look at why things are fucked in the first place. So instead of bitching about a tax structure that is at least fucking competetive with the rest of the world, pull out the same bullshit that has been used over and over its the kids and the old people, well the government fucked them in the first place. SS is a ponzi scheme and dependent on the work force can continue to fund it. I have been paying in my whole working life. Do I think there will be anything there when I retire? Hell no! I think SS should be thrown out, give a one time pay out of $50,000 tax free to those who have paid in for a X number of years and stop collecting the damn thing!

MB · « **Reply #95 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:10:17 AM »

Quote from: Straw Man on April 06, 2011, 10:12:12 AM

you're forgetting the the employer pays in as well and the social security trust fund earns interest

this is not just a system where you get out what you pay in but rather a form of insurance

there are people who take out more than they pay in and vice versa

What's the point of insurance/social security? If we all donate to a large pool and then take it out when we retire, why not just keep our money to begin with?

Kazan · « **Reply #96 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:12:28 AM »

Quote from: MB on April 06, 2011, 11:10:17 AM

What's the point of insurance/social security? If we all donate to a large pool and then take it out when we retire, why not just keep our money to begin with?

So the government has more money to spend, besides they are much smarter than you and know what the best use of your money is

kcballer · « **Reply #97 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:15:47 AM »

Quote from: MB on April 06, 2011, 11:10:17 AM

What's the point of insurance/social security? If we all donate to a large pool and then take it out when we retire, why not just keep our money to begin with?

Why not just keep all your money to begin with and everyone pays a fee for services like police, fire, use of roads.

Because the use of taxation for the good of the commons has been a vital part of this country for decades.

Straw Man · « **Reply #98 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:15:50 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:57:41 AM

The whole interview is well worth listening to. Schiff interviews the trustee of SS and says its no different than a ponzi scheme but for intent and thast the only thing propping it up is the ability of the govt to keep taxing people.

translation = you have no source for you claim below

translation - you can't tell me where you got your claim that

Quote from: Straw Man on April 06, 2011, 10:12:48 AM

I don't suppose you actually have a source for this claim

Quote from: 333386 on April 06, 2011, 10:10:42 AM

most collect more more in excess than they ever paid in.

Kazan · « **Reply #99 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:16:42 AM »

Quote from: newmom on April 06, 2011, 10:08:19 AM

My dad is 68 and works full time with no interest in retiring, he gets a nice check monthly from his almost 30 years of naval career...He doesn't collect social security. This is just a friend of the family..drives me crazy, he may not get what is DUE to him.

Well then this will really piss you off, I know it pisses me off. My uncle was in the navy married a filipino lady. About 5 years ago her mother comes to the US and they fucking give her SS.