So if the Federal Government shuts down....

[kcballer]

You know i have a simple solution for all.

Higher taxes for the rich.

Close loopholes for corporations like GE

End tax credits for children.  Start CHARGING people taxes for having kids.  That way as the population grows, so to will revenue. 

Easy fix.   

[MB]

Why not just keep all your money to begin with and everyone pays a fee for services like police, fire, use of roads.   

Because the use of taxation for the good of the commons has been a vital part of this country for decades.

So you admit that social security is just another form of taxation?  It's intended purpose has long been forgotten?

[Kazan]

Why not just keep all your money to begin with and everyone pays a fee for services like police, fire, use of roads.   

Because the use of taxation for the good of the commons has been a vital part of this country for decades.

Interesting and all this time I thought those were handled at the state, local, county level   I had no idea there was a federal police or fire department.

[kcballer]

Interesting and all this time I thought those were handled at the state, local, county level   I had no idea there was a federal police or fire department.

All this time i thought they were paid for in taxes.  Isn't that the root of this issue?  The payment of taxes.  SS is a form of a tax. 

[Kazan]

All this time i thought they were paid for in taxes.  Isn't that the root of this issue?  The payment of taxes.  SS is a form of a tax. 

State and Federal taxes are 2 different things, you want a solution to the Federal Government spending problem, they can only spend on what they are constitutionally authorized to. The states handle the rest as was intended

[MB]

All this time i thought they were paid for in taxes.  Isn't that the root of this issue?  The payment of taxes.  SS is a form of a tax. 

So you want to use SS money to pay for roads when there's not even enough money collected to pay for the retirees?  Kill social security, make government just big enough to fulfill it's constitutional obligation.  Problem solved. 

[Straw Man]

Well then this will really piss you off, I know it pisses me off. My uncle was in the navy married a filipino lady. About 5 years ago her mother comes to the US and they fucking give her SS.

what kind of SS is she getting and how is she eligible for it?

[Kazan]

what kind of SS is she getting and how is she eligible for it?

Thats a good question , no idea how she was eligible, not a US citizen. So your guess is as good as mine. Believe it was around $500.00

[Soul Crusher]

Thats a good question , no idea how she was eligible, not a US citizen. So your guess is as good as mine. Believe it was around $500.00

60% of immigrants are on welfare as it is. 

[GigantorX]

So you want to use SS money to pay for roads when there's not even enough money collected to pay for the retirees?  Kill social security, make government just big enough to fulfill it's constitutional obligation.  Problem solved. 

Already being used for purposes other than retiree benefits. The Social Security Trust Fund isn't a trust fund, it's a general fund where cash flows in and then flows out. The money has been spent already, it's just another slush fund.

Better yet, go ask your local politician or Governor where the gasoline tax goes? Or the actual fund that is supposed to be used solely for infrastructure.

You're not going to like the answer.

[Soul Crusher]

Already being used for purposes other than retiree benefits. The Social Security Trust Fund isn't a trust fund, it's a general fund where cash flows in and then flows out. The money has been spent already, it's just another slush fund.

Better yet, go ask your local politician or Governor where the gasoline tax goes? Or the actual fund that is supposed to be used solely for infrastructure.

You're not going to like the answer.

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I heard a local interview by the head of AAA on that a few week ago and most people would shocked at the scams the pols are pulling with gas taxes, tolls, etc.

[MB]

Already being used for purposes other than retiree benefits. The Social Security Trust Fund isn't a trust fund, it's a general fund where cash flows in and then flows out. The money has been spent already, it's just another slush fund.

Better yet, go ask your local politician or Governor where the gasoline tax goes? Or the actual fund that is supposed to be used solely for infrastructure.

You're not going to like the answer.

Agree, kill this hidden tax.

[240 is Back]

you cancel SS, and you have tens of millions of people on the streets.  hungry, sick, dying, armed, willing to stick a gun in your fcking mouth as you hop your SUV because they can't eat.

It ain't right, but it's the truth.

[GigantorX]

you cancel SS, and you have tens of millions of people on the streets.  hungry, sick, dying, armed, willing to stick a gun in your fcking mouth as you hop your SUV because they can't eat.

It ain't right, but it's the truth.

Who said anything about killing it?

[Soul Crusher]

you cancel SS, and you have tens of millions of people on the streets.  hungry, sick, dying, armed, willing to stick a gun in your fcking mouth as you hop your SUV because they can't eat.

It ain't right, but it's the truth.

I always say  - we are 72 hours away from TSHFT at any moment in this country. 

[MB]

you cancel SS, and you have tens of millions of people on the streets.  hungry, sick, dying, armed, willing to stick a gun in your fcking mouth as you hop your SUV because they can't eat.

It ain't right, but it's the truth.

It has to be done in a gradual manner, probably take 20 years to be totally gone. 

[240 is Back]

Who said anything about killing it?

this post is the one i was responding to.  The minute you kill SS, you have a shitload of Vietnam vets picking up ol sparky and capping some youngins until they have money for meds to keep their lovely wife alive.

Kill social security, make government just big enough to fulfill it's constitutional obligation.  Problem solved. 

[GigantorX]

You know i have a simple solution for all.

Higher taxes for the rich.

Close loopholes for corporations like GE

End tax credits for children.  Start CHARGING people taxes for having kids.  That way as the population grows, so to will revenue. 

Easy fix.   

Still not enough revenue, not even close.

That you don't acknowledge (in this thread at least) the expenditure problem is troubling.

Or you are being facetious and it went right over my head.

[Soul Crusher]

www.usdebtclock.com

[Freeborn126]

What's the point of insurance/social security?  If we all donate to a large pool and then take it out when we retire, why not just keep our money to begin with? 

^If Ron Paul gets elected, that is what the policy will be, pure honesty and common sense.  Just keep your money and save it. 

[Freeborn126]

You see, LBJ became a good idea fairy with his "great society" in order to justify his existence.  So he decided that we as commoners are not smart enough to keep our own money and save up for retirement on our own.  No, only he and his government get to decide that, because after all, government know best.

[MB]

^If Ron Paul gets elected, that is what the policy will be, pure honesty and common sense.  Just keep your money and save it. 

It seems that common sense is hard to come by, Ron Paul is one of the few.  I'd like to see the liberals put in half the country with their nanny state and let the libertarian crowd have the other half.  Seriously, if I could pay off my portion of the national debt right now and be allowed to live in a constitutionally free state, I'd do it.   

[Soul Crusher]

Dem Congresswoman Complains She Can't Afford to Give Up Paycheck in the Event of Shutdown
The Daily Caller ^ | April 7, 2011 | Jeff Poor


With 8.8 percent unemployment across the country and more than 8 million people claiming unemployment benefits, one California congresswoman wants people to know they’re not the only ones facing financial hardship. Who else might be? The lawmaker herself.

In an appearance on MSNBC Thursday, Democratic California Rep. Linda Sánchez talked about the downsides of a federal government shutdown. Some lawmakers, to the seriousness of the issue, have said they would forgo their paychecks in the event of that shutdown. Sanchez explained she just can’t afford to go along with that idea.

“I have to tell you that I live paycheck-to-paycheck, like most Americans,” Sánchez said. “I’m still paying off my student loans. I have a 2-year-old son who I have to support, and I have to maintain residences on both coasts. It’s very difficult for me to say, ‘Hey, I can give up my paycheck,’ because the reality is, I have financial obligations that I have to meet on a month-to-month basis that doesn’t make it possible for me.”

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[MP]

Instead of complete shut down, why not just let anyone go who voted for Obama?

[Soul Crusher]

With Government Shutdown Looming… Obama Plans Weekend Getaway

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/with-government-shutdown-looming-obama-plans-weekend-getaway/ ^ | 4/7/11 | Jim Hoft

Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 11:01:00 PM by Nachum

Unreal.

Life’s a party. With the government shutdown looming… Obama plans his weekend getaway. Daily Press reported:

The leader of the free world may be coming to Williamsburg for some rest and relaxation if Congress is able to come to agreement on the budget. President Obama and the First Family are planning to visit the area this weekend in what the White House described Wednesday as a “long-planned family trip to Colonial Williamsburg.”

But the trip might get grounded if a government shutdown can’t be averted by Republicans and Democrats in Congress.