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Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« on: April 09, 2011, 11:49:37 AM »
Does anyone (who isn't a hack) really believe that we would be cutting federal spending if Democrats still controlled Congress? 

Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
by Carl Cameron | April 09, 2011

While Republicans wanted to cut more spending in Saturday's early morning compromise to keep the government open, they think they got the better of the deal.

Here's why: HR1 was originally to seek spending cuts of $32 billion until Tea Party conservatives insisted on more than $ 60 billion. House Speaker John Boehner won more cuts than he originally sought and got the Senate to agree to votes to defund the health care reform law and groups like the nation's largest abortion provider Planned Parenthood - once votes Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said he'd never allow to come to the floor.Back on February 3, Reid called $32 billion in cuts "extreme" and "draconian."

At a news conference New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed, "I happen to think some of their cuts are extreme and go overboard. But every week they keep upping the ante and proposing extreme cuts."

Over the next decade the cuts are expected to save hundreds of billions of dollars.

The deal mandates a host of studies and audits of Obama administration policies. It also blocks additional funds for the IRS sought by the Obama administration and bans federal funding of abortion in Washington, D.C.

The history of offers on this bill goes something like this. Democrats first offered no cuts, then $4 billion, then $6.5 billion, then $33 billion, then settled at $38.5 billion.

Boehner made numerous adjustments to his offer in recent days too, but started at $32 billion, then with a Tea Party push went to $62 billion, then dropped to $40 billion, then $38.5 billion.

Democrats claimed they met Republicans halfway after the $10 billion in cuts that already passed this year were approved. They settled late Friday night at three and a half times more.

Boehner came in $8.5 billion higher than the halfway point between his high offer of $61 billion in cuts and the Democrats opening bid of zero cuts.

It was not a totally lopsided bargain. Dems have some silver linings. There were no votes on defunding the EPA or PBS and NPR. Democrats fought for and won a $2 billion cut from the Department of Defense, knocking the military appropriation for the rest of the year down to $513 billion.

But the GOP had to be able to see this as a win in the end, because it is puny compared to what they want to do next.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's 2012 budget resolution proposes cuts of $5 TRILLION in the next 10 yrs.

But the resolution is a non-binding roadmap for the committees to use as they approve tax and spending bills for next year, the resolution will never be signed into law by the president.

The next battle with consequences begins in a matter of two short weeks when the accumulated U.S. debt will be nearing it's $14 trillion legal limit.  So Congress will have to vote to raise the ceiling so Uncle Sam can borrow still more money.

The administration has said it will need to be raised between April 15 and May 31 or the U.S. could default and create a new fiscal crisis of unknowable magnitude. Fiscal hawks plan to demand strict, enforceable spending caps, triggers for across the board cuts, and austerity measures in exchange for raising the debt limit.

This short-term agreement was just a beginning.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 11:53:39 AM »
Dems proposed 33 billion.  Repubs proposed 71 billion.

Thee Dems have only 2/3 of the power in DC - and since the deficit it 3.8 trillion a year, and the Repubs got 39 billion-

The Dems effectively keps 99% of their total annual garbage bullshit spending.


So yes, BB, it's not even close. The repubs, with all their fury, shaved 1% off the deficit - 39 billion of 3.8 TRILLION.  The dems keep 99% of what they want.

#winning....

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 11:55:58 AM »
I specially asked if anyone "who isn't a hack" believed we would be cutting spending if Democrats controlled Congress.  That eliminates you.   :)

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 11:59:18 AM »
I specially asked if anyone "who isn't a hack" believed we would be cutting spending if Democrats controlled Congress.  That eliminates you.   :)

a personal attack after I just showed you the dems got to keep 99% of their bullshit spending.


The repubs have 1/3 of the power and stopped 1/100 of the spending.  Not even close, sounds right.

You can call 1% of spending a win.  I do not.  You shave half a billion off the annual welfare state and it's a good start.


Sheesh...no freaking wonder Obama dn the dems do what they want... repubs are patting thsemlves on the back for stopping 1/100 of the obama spending.  "Nice work guys.  Terrific results - it's beyond a win.... we freaking rock@!!!""

give it a break.  Obama keeps 99% of his bullshit and the eocnomy still fails.  Enjoy the win :(

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 12:02:09 PM »
lol

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 12:06:16 PM »
lol

i'm not even flaming at this point man.  I'm disgusted.  The repubs were screaming for 3 days about a measley 300 million for planned parenthood - they should have been scremaing about 3 TRILLION.  They should have been demanding way more than 71 billion annual.  

I'm watching fox and they're all cheering.  jeez, guys.  you stopped one percent of obama spending.  If you said 6 months ago, "Obama, you're gonna get destoryed in 2010 elections, but the wost they can do is stop 1% of your massive spending, he'd probably laugh out loud and say DEAL!"

Repubs stopped 39 billion.  He gets to keep spending 3.80 trillion.  I'm baffled that you do'nt see that, BB.  This isn't a win.  This is a 1% reduction in the deficit.


PLEASE - ANYONE - tell me who "won" here.  The repubs stopped 1% of obama's annual deficit.  Is that what's considered a win?  or, as BB said "It Wasn't Even Close"?

Did the repubs have a runaway win with 1% of his spending stopped? ???

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 12:09:16 PM »
Is that what's considered a win?  or, as BB said "It Wasn't Even Close"?


You lying liar.  Where did I say this?   ::)

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2011, 12:10:52 PM »

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2011, 12:15:33 PM »


LOL!  That's Carl Cameron's title of the article you lying liar.  lol . . .

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 12:17:56 PM »
LOL!  That's Carl Cameron's title of the article you lying liar.  lol . . .

so who won the shutdown showdown, BB.  State your position then :)




*methinks you don't want to, now that i've shown the repubs are dancing over stopping a pathetically small piece of obama waste".

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2011, 12:26:41 PM »
ADDITIONALLY - the repubs' own stated goal was 100 billion (at least). 
Does ANYONE on getbig call this a Repub win? ???



October 2010 - Republicans Promised $100 Billion In Spending Cuts - They Only Got $38 Billion 

I am seeing a lot of posts about Republicans "winning" the budget battle with the Democrats. My question is how? In the 2010 election, Republicans promised $100 billion in spending cuts for 2011. No one was talking about a budget that had not even been introduced until February 2011. Yet, once they got elected and took office, Republicans immediately started walking back their promises, and said that they were only referring to President Obama's budget proposal for FY 2010-2011, which had increased from FY 2009-2010. Then, even with this expanded yardstick, Republicans did not get the $100 billion they promised.

So, the Republicans promised $100 billion in spending cuts. They only got $38 billion despite a huge majority in the House. Yet, some "Democrats" claim that the Republicans won this budget battle?
 

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2011, 12:38:58 PM »
240 you are being an obama pelosi dildo.

Boehner was put in a horrible position because your messiah and the wretch pelosi did not pass a budget last year.  He was faced with screwing over the military as the treasonous communist fuck obama threatened to veto the 6 months troop bill or make the best deal he could.

You would have been the first clown screaming about the poor govt workers had it shut down and bought in the left wing sob stories. 

Stop being such a hack.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2011, 01:52:30 PM »
who 'won' yesterday, 33?  dems or repubs?  and why?


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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2011, 02:11:09 PM »
Fact: BB will never solidly state his position on anything.  If you pressure him, he always ignores or dodges.  Trying to pin down BB on anything is pure lol....  won't happen but it brings on giggles anyway

He can't even pick Ron Paul over Obama lolol.....

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2011, 04:19:46 PM »
Fact: BB will never solidly state his position on anything.  If you pressure him, he always ignores or dodges.  Trying to pin down BB on anything is pure lol....  won't happen but it brings on giggles anyway

He can't even pick Ron Paul over Obama lolol.....

Ron must have been banging seven gram rocks the day he picked moderators for this board. Mr. Ozmo, if you delete my post, please delete Chavez's post as well.

*giggle

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2011, 04:27:14 PM »
Ron must have been banging seven gram rocks the day he picked moderators for this board. Mr. Ozmo, if you delete my post, please delete Chavez's post as well.

*giggle

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Did you just say giggle? ::)  Only person I've ever seen say that here is Jag.  How fucking many gimmicks you got going jag?

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2011, 04:29:47 PM »
Did you just say giggle? ::)  Only person I've ever seen do that here is Jag.  How fucking many gimmicks you got going jag?


God you're a wretched dumb-ass with no reading comprehension. I was mocking your use of giggle you ridiculous pustule on the anus of humanity, but you're too stupid to even see it.    

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2011, 04:32:22 PM »
God you're a wretched dumb-ass with no reading comprehension. I was mocking your use of giggle you ridiculous pustule on the anus of humanity, but you're too stupid to even see it.    
I've never said giggle in my life you fucking c unt.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2011, 04:35:31 PM »
won't happen but it brings on giggles anyway



brings on giggles? are you an eight year old girl or a developmentally stunted 42 year old male who giggles?  Carrying on a conversation with you is impossible---someone should do the world a favor and put you on adderall.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2011, 04:41:49 PM »
oh shit, I did say giggle... fuck me...  Must of been samsonjag flashback :-X  Did someone fuck with my post or did I really say that shit? 

If I really said that, I'm banning my ass for 30 days.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2011, 04:44:29 PM »
I just owned myself in this thread.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2011, 04:47:09 PM »
Ron must have been banging seven gram rocks the day he picked moderators for this board. Mr. Ozmo, if you delete my post, please delete Chavez's post as well.

*giggle

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Why Would I delete yor post?

As far as I know, if Ron was smoking rocks when it came to picking moderators he have looked for some dumb ass who'd give some scam artist $3000 towards his rolls Royce collection. 

Tell you what,  give me $5000 and I will put in a good word for you to Ron and maybe he'll make you a moderator too.  Maybe thats already in one of your  prophesies.  Use Google and check.   ::)

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2011, 04:58:00 PM »
Why Would I delete yor post?

As far as I know, if Ron was smoking rocks when it came to picking moderators he have looked for some dumb ass who'd give some scam artist $3000 towards his rolls Royce collection.  

Tell you what,  give me $5000 and I will put in a good word for you to Ron and maybe he'll make you a moderator too.  Maybe thats already in one of your  prophesies.  Use Google and check.   ::)

lol at your titles "nunman" and "carlton"


 I guess there's a lot of goolibels (gh15ism) in the world.

It would be impossible for Ron to top himself here, between you and CHavez.  ::)  In case you need it spelled out (which you obviously do): goolibels is how gh15 refers to gullibles - idiots like you.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2011, 05:09:48 PM »
It would be impossible for Ron to top himself here, between you and CHavez.  ::)  In case you need it spelled out (which you obviously do): goolibels is how gh15 refers to gullibles - idiots like you.

Sure thing prophet  :D


Also, if being an idiot means not giving some fraud $3000 bucks, then that's me. 

How's your personal Rolls collection going?  At least got plastic models yet?

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2011, 05:12:34 PM »
Sure thing prophet  :D


Also, if being an idiot means not giving some fraud $3000 bucks, then that's me. 

How's your personal Rolls collection going?  At least got plastic models yet?

THe only person who didn't get the joke in that thread was you.  Since it seems to be bringing you endless pleasure, run with it.

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