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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2011, 06:56:23 PM »
Thanks for trying to answer Straw, so were the tax cuts beneficial?  In hindsight should we have continued them?  Why or why not.

Anyone.

From the point they were extended under Obama.

Did they create jobs?  What kind of jobs did they create?  Did the jobs they create justify the cost?  

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2011, 06:58:29 PM »
Thanks for trying to answer Straw, so were the tax cuts beneficial?  In hindsight should we have continued them?  Why or why not.

Anyone.

Did they create jobs?  What kind of jobs did they create?  Did the jobs they create justify the cost?

we can't measure them, but we know we needed them cause FOX said the world ends without them.

Sure, cutting the bush tax cuts would have instantly dropped our deficit by what, half?  Details, mang.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2011, 07:00:50 PM »
Wasn't there a big argument to extend them?  Well, in retrospect was that a good idea?

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2011, 07:07:03 PM »
Yes.  Can you imagine people now taking home less money now that bama and bernakes' spending spree induced inflation is starting to explode? 

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2011, 07:10:20 PM »
Yes.  Can you imagine people now taking home less money now that bama and bernakes' spending spree induced inflation is starting to explode? 

Who did the cuts really effect?

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #80 on: April 10, 2011, 07:22:12 PM »
I thought a compromise - extend the cuts for people making 250 to 1 mil.... then telling people making over a million "Look, you had a good ten years... let's go back to the clinton levels".


These people screaming about the need for people making 10 mil a year to avoid losing their tax cuts = Morons marching on the deck of the titanic for iceberg's rights, as the damn boat sank.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2011, 07:23:26 PM »
we can't measure them, but we know we needed them cause FOX said the world ends without them.

Sure, cutting the bush tax cuts would have instantly dropped our deficit by what, half?  Details, mang.

Hahaha. Where do you come up with this shit? After the beating you took from gigantor and skip one would think that you would avoid these budget threads as it was made quite clear that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Waah, waah, Fox news, waah, waah!  ::)

Yes.  Can you imagine people now taking home less money now that bama and bernakes' spending spree induced inflation is starting to explode? 

Inflation? Nothing to worry about. $4/gal gas? Not a problem. Nevermind that people were crying bloody murder when gas prices rose under Bush.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #82 on: April 10, 2011, 08:21:49 PM »
Inflation? Nothing to worry about. $4/gal gas? Not a problem. Nevermind that people were crying bloody murder when gas prices rose under Bush.

If I were driving like I did when Bush was in office, I'd be PISSED, and I only drove like 15 miles a day at the time... How about these people who live 30 miles from work or farther and drive almost 70+ miles a day.

My biggest problem is that the answer that I always hear from Obama is "Buy a newer more efficient car"... Well, those cars cost a fuckton of money and aren't THAT much more efficient.

My 5.0 was getting around 20 miles to the gallon 16 years ago... Now, the GT gets like 11 gallons more... yet the car is also 10 grand more than it was 16 years ago.

People who are driving cars from the mid 90s aren't doing it because they love the car, they do it because they can't afford a new fucking car.

I fucking hate that answer that Obama gives...

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2011, 09:16:49 PM »
Skip is 100% right. THe Republicans are winning. They are cutting spending and at the same time exposing the Dems for thier lack of seriousness in cutting spending - the best of both worlds. People here know that liberals annoy me, but lately I have become very annoyed by conservative talk show hosts who criticise Bohner for "caving in". I wonder if these people ever stop to put themselves in the politicians shoes and consider the consequences of what they want the Republicans to do. I agree with these people for the most part on ideology, but I think sometimes they live in this politically perfect fictional world where the majority of the people are conservative, and that just isnt the case.
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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2011, 03:53:17 AM »



Befofe you piped in (starting with an insult as usual) Ozmo and I were talking about the cost of the Bush Tax cuts, job creation, the defcit.   You piped in about Obama's jobs being all public sector which is why I responded not only about the lack of job growth under Bush and how his tax cuts were a very very expensive and ineffective way to create jobs as well as the fact that all of the jobs he created were an expansion of the government (something Repubs and Teabaggers supposedly hate).   Regardin DHS, it's a complete waste of money and wasnt' necessary in the first place.  Bush had all the intelligence and just chose to ingore it.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2011, 05:35:13 AM »
we can't measure them, but we know we needed them cause FOX said the world ends without them.

Sure, cutting the bush tax cuts would have instantly dropped our deficit by what, half?  Details, mang.

We've been over this. The only "Tax Cut" (WHICH AGAIN, WAS AN EXTENSION OF PREVIOUS RATES) was being touted as "adding to the deficit" at a rate of 70 billion per year. All total the whole "Tax Cut Extension" would "cost" 450 billion with the deficit of of 1.7 trillion.

It's all projections though. Tax cuts don't add to the deficit, spending does. And there is no guarantee that anywhere close to those revenues would have actually been collected. Our tax system is fucked up, inefficient and costly but the problem isn't that the govt. isn't extorting the citizenry enough, it's the fact that the govt. spends to much.

I find it funny that some on this board get driven into a frenzied rage when "tax cuts for the rich" are brought up but say nothing about the fact that 48% (and growing) of this nation pay no income taxes at the end of the day and many actually pay nothing and get money from the government.

Top 5% pay 50% of all income taxes = treason and horrible they should pay more!

48% pay nothing and get services/cash from government = no problem at all the more the merrier.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2011, 05:49:08 AM »
The GOP's winning streak
By: Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
April 10, 2011 07:05 AM EDT

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Here’s the unvarnished pitch House Speaker John Boehner would love to make to his conservative critics if he could just let it fly: “You are winning, and winning decisively. So stop your whining.”

And here’s the unvarnished truth about that pitch: Boehner would be spot on.

The winners and losers of this weekend’s 11th-hour budget deal may be in dispute. But the broader trajectory of politics, stretching back to the spring of 2009, is not. The Republican — and, yes, the tea party — agenda is not only ascendant, it’s driving the debate over reshaping government at every level.

Jubilant top Republicans told POLITICO in interviews that they plan to use the momentum from the budget fight to take a hard line with President Barack Obama in the fiscal fights of the months ahead. And the GOP leaders said they believe their new advantage in the national debate will lift the party’s presidential candidates — none of whom right now looks capable of beating Obama.

“The debate is now on our side of the field,” Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said from Sioux Falls. “This is just the opening act. But these upcoming debates are not going to be about whether we’re going to reduce the cost and size of government, but how much. That’s very good ground for Republicans to fight on.”

Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker and a 2012 presidential hopeful, told us: “When you see [Democratic governors] Jerry Brown [of California] and you see Andrew Cuomo [of New York] wrestling with spending, and inevitably wrestling with the unions who elect them, you know you’re in a different era.”

Obama himself seems to be responding to the GOP's push, with his senior adviser David Plouffe announcing Sunday that the president will deliver a major speech Wednesday laying out a more aggressive path for deficit reduction — including reform of entitlements, particularly Medicare and Medicaid.

Make no mistake, Obama did pretty well last week during the budget fight. Like any good politician, he’s sure to take credit for cutting spending, too, even though he fought it much of the way. It’s no accident he said the deal marked the biggest annual spending cut in history — not once, but twice, in four minutes of remarks after the agreement was reached. And the Democrats’ relentless criticism of the GOP’s effort to make gains on social issues – abortion in particular – may yet yield political dividends.

White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer wrote in a Saturday blog post: “These are real cuts that will save taxpayers money and have a real impact. Many will be painful, and are to programs that we support, but the fiscal situation is such that we have to act.”

And a senior Democrat involved in the conversations argues: "The GOP got a high number, but they utterly failed at their real objective —overturning the Obama agenda. On health care, clean air, women's health and education — and every other core area of the Obama administration — they failed and failed miserably to turn back the clock. Boehner blinked."

But even Democrats recognize Republicans have the offensive on the spending issue — that they own it in a way Obama simply can’t. A top Democratic official, insisting on anonymity in order to be candid, said: “The fundamental problem of the whole process is Democrats have zero ability to describe what our view of government really is. So basically all we do is defend the status quo against attacks from the right-wing fringe of the GOP.”


Look at the facts:

—The $40 billion in cuts was not only historically high, it was more than Boehner himself wanted to push for a few short months ago.

—Earmarks, which many thought would never go away, are now taboo - even to earmark addicts like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who reluctantly gave them up after the 2010 election.

—Deficits are all the rage on Capitol Hill, and will be until Congress wends its way through the debt limit fight and the next budget. The word “deficit” appeared in 470 documents in the Congressional Record between the beginning of January and the end of March, more than in any session’s opening since 1995, according to a review by POLITICO. And Americans listened: Asked by Gallup to identify the most important problem facing the nation, 13 percent said “federal debt” in March of this year, up from 8 percent a year ago.

—The broader budget debate is now fought on the tea party’s terms: It’s not whether to reduce government, it’s by how much. This helps explain why serious centrist commentators and even some liberals PRAISED a $6 trillion budget cut plan proposed by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.). Remember how a similar plan was received two years ago?

—Thanks to a pickup of 675 legislative seats in 2010 - many because of these budget principles — the most sweeping work is getting done in states. Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana are now working, real-time labs for discovering how much the party can cut government - without cutting off the support of independents. A GOP senator told us the party studies what happens in these state showdowns to test the limits of what will work here. One early finding: Many think Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) went too far, too fast by gutting union power without first educating the public.

—The real fight over spending erupted in late spring of 2009, and consider the results: The GOP won the governor’s races in Virginia and New Jersey in 2009; the Scott Brown Senate race in Massachusetts in early 2010; then won back the House, picked up Senate seats and captured the most state legislative seats in a single year since Watergate — all in November of last year.

“The country knows it’s in serious trouble,” Gingrich said. “You see this with Scott Walker, you see it with John Kasich [in Ohio], you see it with Rick Scott [in Florida], you see it with Chris Christie [in New Jersey], you see it with Mitch Daniels [in Indiana].”

House Republican leadership aides, emboldened by the outcome of this budget fight, told us they plan to force more spending cuts, plus budget reforms, as the price of Republican votes to support the administration on raising the nation’s debt limit – a debate expected to take place in May and June, and possibly backing up into July.


The aides argue that the GOP is the minority party in Washington, since Democrats control the White House and the Senate. So they said they will have to be very strategic and continue focusing on the big picture of the nation’s debt problem, rather than getting bogged down in fights over individual cuts.

“The mileposts ahead for Congress are all fiscal debates, and that’s going to help Republicans,” said GOP strategist Kevin Madden, a consultant to 2012 hopeful Mitt Romney. “Debates about spending cuts and the debt limit help us reinforce the reform brand.”

Jamal Simmons, a top Democratic strategist, said it’s no longer credible for his party to argue against spending cuts, but added: “The conversation became about a number – whether to cut $33 billion or $40 billion. Democrats need to get the conversation back to what to cut, and how to preserve priorities. … Republicans made a big mistake with the Planned Parenthood/abortion fight, because it got the conversation back onto values. Once the discussion began to move away from numbers, you could feel the ground beneath the GOP erode.”

Simmons said Obama now should “give another back-to-business speech after this fight, and get people to re-focus on his priorities” from the State of the Union address – education, environment, innovation and infrastructure.

The question that will determine how long this moment lasts for the GOP seems simple: will they overreach? The public clearly wants smaller government but clearly wants it done in a restrained and cooperative way. Some Democrats, for instance, are eager to take on Ryan’s proposal for restructuring (read: cutting) Medicare.

“If you overreach too far, you can get a backlash,” Thune cautioned. “We have to sound reasonable. But the reason the president moved so far is that he has recognized that the government has gotten much, much larger, and that most independents in the country are very uncomfortable with that.”

The tea party is restless: Will they feel compelled not to surrender next time - in the debt limit fight - because some will on this one?


Karl Rove said he worries about criticism that this weekend’s deal was inadequate. Some conservatives may say, “We’re talking about cutting billions, and we need to be cutting trillions.”

“We will create opportunities to cut trillions,” Rove said. “But you need to start with the smaller steps available now. I talked to a couple of members of the tea party faction in the House, and they went out of their way to say that Boehner has done a really good job of keeping us informed, he’s doing the best he can, and we’ve told him we were with him.”

Gingrich also said that Boehner’s calm demeanor fits the moment, noting that the House Republican message has “been on jobs and spending for about a year and a half now.”

“Democrats try to pull them off on Defense of Marriage [Act], or they try to pull them off on immigration,” Gingrich said. “Boehner just ignores them: ‘Our future is bound up in Paul Ryan and the budget, the size of government, getting the economy growing again.’ … They have been very methodical about: Where are the jobs? And let’s cut spending.”

The broader political concern for Republicans is this: Can they prevent Obama from claiming credit for the new frugal spirit? Obama wants to, and has more tools than his adversaries.

Tim Pawlenty, the former Minnesota governor and 2012 presidential candidate, said by phone from San Jose, Calif., that fiscal arguments have given the party a broader appeal as more people “became aware and educated that it’s not just a matter of political rhetoric – it’s a matter of sixth-grade math.”

“We are in for a sustained period of structural reform,” Pawlenty said. “The country is prepared for the change. The public deserves the truth. They can handle the truth. … Given how deep the hole is, I’m not worried about overreach. I think we should try to be as bold and courageous as the American people will tolerate, and we need to lead them there.”
 

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2011, 05:53:04 AM »
The Tea Party's First Victory
Obama opposes spending cuts right up to the time he calls them historic..


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This is getting to be a habit. President Obama ferociously resists tax cuts, trade agreements and spending cuts—right up to the moment he strikes a deal with Republicans and hails the tax cuts, trade agreements and spending cuts as his idea. What a difference an election makes.

This is the larger political meaning of Friday's last minute budget deal for fiscal 2011 that averted a government shutdown. Mr. Obama has now agreed to a pair of tax cut and spending deals that repudiate his core economic philosophy and his agenda of the last two years—and has then hailed both as great achievements. Republicans in Washington have reversed the nation's fiscal debate and are slowly repairing the harm done since the Nancy Pelosi Congress began to set the direction of government in 2007.

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Yes, we know, $39 billion in spending cuts for 2011 is less than the $61 billion passed by the House and shrinks the overall federal budget by only a little more than 1%. The compromise also doesn't repeal ObamaCare, kill the EPA's anticarbon rules, defund Planned Parenthood, reform the entitlement state, or part the Red Sea.

On the other hand, the Obama-Pelosi Leviathan wasn't built in a day, and it won't be cut down to size in one budget. Especially not in a fiscal year that only has six months left and with Democrats running the Senate and White House. Friday's deal cuts more spending in any single year than we can remember, $78 billion more than President Obama first proposed. Domestic discretionary spending grew by 6% in 2008, 11% in 2009 and 14% in 2010, but this year will fall by 4%. That's no small reversal.

The budget does this while holding the line against defense cuts that Democrats wanted and restoring the school voucher program for Washington, D.C. for thousands of poor children. Tom DeLay—the talk radio hero when he ran the House—never passed a budget close to this good.

The political gains are also considerable. When Mr. Obama introduced his 2012 budget in February, he proposed more spending on his priorities in return for essentially no cuts. Two months later, the debate is entirely about how much spending to cut and which part of government to reform. Democrats were forced to play defense nearly across the board, obliged to defend programs (National Public Radio) that were once thought to be untouchable shrines of modern liberalism.

Republicans also showed they are able to make the compromises required to govern. We realize that "governing" can often be an excuse for incumbent self-interest. But this early show of political maturity will demonstrate to independents that the freshmen and tea party Republicans they elected in November aren't the yahoos of media lore. A government shutdown over a spending difference of $7 billion and some policy riders would have made the GOP look reckless for little return.

Now the battle moves to the debt ceiling increase and Paul Ryan's new 2012 budget later this year, and there are lessons from this fight to keep in mind. One is to focus on spending and budget issues, not extraneous policy fights. Republicans have the advantage when they are talking about the overall level of spending and ways to control it. They lose that edge when the debate veers off into a battle over social issues.

We certainly agree that, amid a $1.5 trillion deficit, taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood is preposterous. Let George Soros or Peter Lewis spend their private fortunes to support the group's abortion counseling. But Mr. Boehner was wise to drop the provision on Friday rather than let Mr. Obama portray a shutdown as a fight over abortion rights. If Republicans want to win this fight in the coming months, they need to convince voters that Planned Parenthood funding is a low fiscal priority, not make it seem as if they want to use the budget to stage a cultural brawl.

This point is especially crucial in the looming showdown over increasing the debt limit. Mr. Obama will marshal a parade of Wall Street and Federal Reserve worthies predicting Armageddon if the debt limit isn't raised as early as mid-May. Republicans will play into his hands of they seek to load up any debt limit increase with policies unrelated to spending and debt reduction.

The best advice we've heard is from former Senator Phil Gramm, who says Republicans should agree that families and nations should always honor their debts. But in doing so they should also make sure they won't pile up new debt. For a family, that means cutting up the credit cards. For Congress, it means passing budget reforms that impose hard and enforceable limits on new spending and debt.

We are not talking here about that hardy perennial, a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, that would easily become a lever for Democrats to push for higher taxes. Far better would be statutory limits on spending increases and debt as a share of GDP, sequesters that automatically cut spending if Congress exceeds those limits, supermajority rules for replacing those limits, and revisions of the budget baseline so that each year's budget begins at last year's spending levels, not with automatic increases.

This is the kind of reform the public will understand is directly related to the debt limit, and one that Senate Democrats and Mr. Obama will find hard to oppose. Republicans should waste no time starting to explain their debt-limit terms, so voters also understand the GOP isn't toying with default as a political ploy.

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One of the ironies of Friday's budget deal is that it is being criticized both by Ms. Pelosi and some conservative Republicans. We can understand Ms. Pelosi's angst. But conservatives are misguided if they think they could have done much better than Mr. Boehner, or that a shutdown would have helped their cause. Republicans need to stay united for the bigger fights to come this year, and for now they and the tea party can take credit for spending cuts that even Mr. Obama feels politically obliged to sell as historic.


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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2011, 06:23:53 AM »

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2011, 06:30:20 AM »
oh shit, I did say giggle... fuck me...  Must of been samsonjag flashback :-X  Did someone fuck with my post or did I really say that shit? 

If I really said that, I'm banning my ass for 30 days.

LOL   

Hugo, I'm not laughing at you.  Your post is just too funny!   ;D

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2011, 07:06:21 AM »
Dems proposed 33 billion.  Repubs proposed 71 billion.

Thee Dems have only 2/3 of the power in DC - and since the deficit it 3.8 trillion a year, and the Repubs got 39 billion-

The Dems effectively keps 99% of their total annual garbage bullshit spending.


So yes, BB, it's not even close. The repubs, with all their fury, shaved 1% off the deficit - 39 billion of 3.8 TRILLION.  The dems keep 99% of what they want.

#winning....

Damn 240.. bring it

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2011, 07:10:28 AM »
Damn 240.. bring it

Yeah, Obama threatening to screw the military in order so that he could pay for abortions played no part.   ::)  ::)  ::)

Bro- you are a joke.  Go back to bed.   

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #92 on: April 11, 2011, 07:22:59 AM »
Damn 240.. bring it

240 bringing it? The dude's the ultimate hypocrite. He's chastising the Repubs for only getting $40 billion cut while also chastising Ryan's proposal to cut TRILLIONS. That spells "hypocrite" in my book.

Not only that, but he tried to play the class-warfare propaganda angle and was subsequently destroyed by gigantor. He's not bringing anything but comedic value.

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2011, 07:46:08 AM »
Yeah, Obama threatening to screw the military in order so that he could pay for abortions played no part.   ::)  ::)  ::)

Bro- you are a joke.  Go back to bed.   

LOL.. seriously so the GOP was sparing the military.. i dont see how, if their cuts were like double of Dems.
I know you like to gloss over facts and generalize (for effect) but cmon man..even if what you were saying was true, how much money is spent on abortion for real. Now how much is spent on military...lol.. fuckin kid you are

WASHINGTON – Republicans portray Planned Parenthood as primarily focused on performing abortions and — intentionally or not — using American taxpayer dollars to do it.

Not so, say Democrats who counter that the group's 800-plus health centers nationwide provide an array of services, from screenings for cancer to testing for sexually transmitted diseases. Abortion is just one of many procedures, and the law bars Planned Parenthood from using tax money for it.

In the budget maelstrom Friday stood Planned Parenthood Federation of America, a 90-year-old organization now part of a decades-long congressional battle over abortion. Republicans wanted any legislation keeping the government operating to bar federal dollars for Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest provider of abortions. They wanted to distribute the money to the states.

"The country is broke and the vast majority of Americans don't want tax dollars to take the life of unborn children," Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio., chairman of Republican Study Committee, told reporters in a conference call.

Giving its version, Planned Parenthood said it performed about 330,000 abortions last year, 3 percent of its total health care services. The organization also said its doctors and nurses annually conduct 1 million screenings for cervical cancer, 830,000 breast exams and some 4 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted diseases..

The organization said it receives $363 million in federal funds, getting its money from both the Title X program and Medicaid. Title X provides grants for family planning and related health services under a law signed by Republican President Richard M. Nixon in December 1970.

Of the Title X money, Planned Parenthood gets about $70 million, some 25 percent of the $317 million in Title X spending. The organization's annual budget is $1.1 billion and includes individual donations.

Federal law bars Planned Parenthood from using tax dollars for abortion. In 1976, three years after the landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.


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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2011, 07:50:26 AM »
The GOP passed a 6month military spending bill to take the military thing off the table.  Your boy wonderbama theatened to veto it hoping he could cause a shutdown and demogogue the issue.   


And again - remind me again why Bama/Reid/Pelosi did not pass a budget last year?

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2011, 07:51:41 AM »
The GOP passed a 6month military spending bill to take the military thing off the table.  Your boy wonderbama theatened to veto it hoping he could cause a shutdown and demogogue the issue.   


And again - remind me again why Bama/Reid/Pelosi did not pass a budget last year?


Remind me again. What would you cut...as i remember.. you said accross the board.

Also.. where do you get the abortion thing from... kind of a factless talking point

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2011, 07:57:25 AM »
Didn't the Democrats want $0 to be cut. Funny how Republicans are called losers for not getting everything they wanted. Democrats at the beginning didn't want to cut anything and when they finally came up with a number it was less than $10 billion.

Democrats are going to get steamrolled. It probably won't happen overnight. But, a lot of legislations that Dems passed under Obama (including Obamacare) before the Reps gained the House will eventually be defunded or repealed.

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« Reply #97 on: April 11, 2011, 07:57:49 AM »
Remind me again. What would you cut...as i remember.. you said accross the board.

Also.. where do you get the abortion thing from... kind of a factless talking point

Across the board - no one spared.   Let the agencies have the choice have to deal with a 10% less budget every year.      

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Re: Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
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