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old school guys rarely got gyno
« on: May 24, 2011, 06:17:09 PM »
i was thinking about this; how comes old school never or very rarely got gyno even if there was no AI or serm available?  i think its because back then they were demonizing TEST and taking only a shitload of deca,primo,dbol,etc... even if example dbol aromatize, if there is minimal testosterone in the system, the body will not produce or let the steroids aromatize to estrogen because there has to be a good ratio between estrogen and test.. whats up with that?

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2011, 07:13:03 PM »
shitloads of estrogen in the food now, we are surounded by it

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 07:35:07 PM »
agree...


Arnold used primo and d-bol and looked great.


now, these days, you 'need test' or the world will end!
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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 07:56:05 PM »
agree...


Arnold used primo and d-bol and looked great.


now, these days, you 'need test' or the world will end!

i liked test,but after dropping it i think i look better..my last cycle was drol/deca and it was by far my best ever.no more test for me unless i have nothing else to inject..

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 08:04:32 PM »
i liked test,but after dropping it i think i look better..my last cycle was drol/deca and it was by far my best ever.no more test for me unless i have nothing else to inject..

what doses and duration?  gains?  were they keepable?  any sides?  what was your PCT?
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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 10:37:49 PM »
Plenty of the old school guys got gyno and they used testosterone regularly, the myth that they didn't is just that, a myth. Testosterone-Propionate was very normal, probably not to the extent of now but don't buy into the internet gossip that it was slight and minimal.

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2011, 10:52:30 PM »
I think the big stress on using test contributes, phyto and xeno estrogens can't be avoided, plus there's just a lot more dudes juicing (many of which have no clue at all).

I don't think it's a myth or poor observation. I think fewer guys had gyno back in the day. A lot of other things skew our perception too though. It's so tough to narrow it down.

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 01:33:49 AM »
i liked test,but after dropping it i think i look better..my last cycle was drol/deca and it was by far my best ever.no more test for me unless i have nothing else to inject..

"i liked test,but after dropping it i KNOW i look better !!"...This

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 04:08:02 AM »
what doses and duration?  gains?  were they keepable?  any sides?  what was your PCT?

im actually still on deca at the moment; 500mg x week and will up the dose soon...no sides at all so far..

i dont do any PCT

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 04:09:25 AM »
"i liked test,but after dropping it i KNOW i look better !!"...This

thank you!!!!that's it!!!!!
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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 08:35:57 AM »
The "No Test" thing is just ridiculous, the reason some of you don't look good when you use it is because you simply have no idea what you're doing.

Anyway, this topic simply irritates me because it is so retarded.

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 09:13:31 AM »
ive got to agree with arnie,,, i dont know where the no test thing came from, pure interweb nonsense!

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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 10:36:13 AM »
ive got to agree with arnie,,, i dont know where the no test thing came from, pure interweb nonsense!

chat with people with Ric Drasen who grew up in the Gold's era.  He said lots of pros only used deca and dbol and grew fine.  It has been widely speculated Arnold loved primo and dbol.

there is where the no test thing came about.  Dan Duchaine even said 'if you dont grow on deca and dbol, nothing will work."

Whats more puzzling is why this whole dogma of you "NEED" test or the world will end dogma came from.
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Re: old school guys rarely got gyno
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 11:30:51 AM »
chat with people with Ric Drasen who grew up in the Gold's era.  He said lots of pros only used deca and dbol and grew fine.  It has been widely speculated Arnold loved primo and dbol.

there is where the no test thing came about.  Dan Duchaine even said 'if you dont grow on deca and dbol, nothing will work."

Whats more puzzling is why this whole dogma of you "NEED" test or the world will end dogma came from.

The reason the dogma of you "Need" test as you say exist is because it's the most important anabolic hormone of all, not only in-terms of bodybuilding but overall health as well.

Duchaine, yes, you're right, he did say that but Duchaine would assume you were using testosterone with the Deca and Dbol. You're talking about the guy that was the biggest Sustanon-250 of all time. Duchaine is also well noted for saying if he could only choose one steroid to use it would be testosterone.

Yes, Arnold loved Dbol, he's well known for talking about it and the Primo is more speculation but it's probably accurate as so much of it was available then. Even so, just because that was his favorite doesn't mean anything, it doesn't mean test wasn't used. My favorite without question is Tren, hands down that's my favorite but that doesn't negate test. Yes, Arnold and those guys used testosterone, I've heard him say it, I've heard him talk about it more than once...no, I haven't been around him a million times but enough to know that the no test rumor is BS.