tren a + winny

[spude]

u`r  option sounds interesting. thanks for response..damn can`t decide ...
you may take in account that i lost from 120 kg to 74 ~ and  up to 92~  and now i think i am at 86 87~ . and i`m predisposed at getting fat if i take test ...hmm

i guess it's more of an issue with water...keeping your estrogen in check, starting with low enough bodyfat and maybe reducing carbs a bit should do the trick...the second one is actually important, more of a mental sort of thing...bulking up absolutely sucks if you start at 15% bf and due to water retention need to be fucking careful with what you can can can not eat cos, trust me, nobody wants to look like a fat ass with 20+% bf belly hanging over your belt, even while bulking, and that's what 15% + tons of added water in most cases looks like

then again one reason why i don't like stims is that in many cases they do not eat only fat away from your body but muscle as well and often make you look flat as a pancake...some of them, thyroid hormones at least, can mess your hormonal system up more badly than any aas would ever do...3rd reason is, that if you ever wanna get truly lean, 6-% bf, it's a lot harder if you have already used all the "tools" earlier, there's no possibility to boost your supplement regime up anymore rather than upping the dose to ridiculous levels...well, gh and dnp ofc but that's a whole another story

[Arnold jr]

gear does not get absorbed into the fat.

Yeah I'm not sure how this rumor ever got started. It's kind of like the one where people say if you stop training your muscle will turn into fat. That's like saying if you don't eat your orange it will turn into a banana.

[DK II]

Yeah I'm not sure how this rumor ever got started. It's kind of like the one where people say if you stop training your muscle will turn into fat. That's like saying if you don't eat your orange it will turn into a banana.

I think what is meant is that if you are fat, you don't get the same out of the gear as if you're already lean.

One of the reasons should be that estrogenic side effects are more likely to happen when you're fat if i'm not totally mistaken. What's also obvious is that you can see results much better than when you're fat, although there is no "scientific" reason behind this and if the gear works or not.

This may be totally bro-science, but when i compare roid users in the gym, fat people just don't seem to get any results out of it.

[Arnold jr]

I think what is meant is that if you are fat, you don't get the same out of the gear as if you're already lean.

One of the reasons should be that estrogenic side effects are more likely to happen when you're fat if i'm not totally mistaken. What's also obvious is that you can see results much better than when you're fat, although there is no "scientific" reason behind this and if the gear works or not.

This may be totally bro-science, but when i compare roid users in the gym, fat people just don't seem to get any results out of it.

Well the progress made will be far more noticeable the leaner you are, no argument there. I mean if you take two genetically identical guys, put them on the same cycle, diet and training program yet one is fat and one is fairly lean to begin with the leaner guy will still look much better in the end. However, a lot of people forget gear dramatically alters your metabolism in a positive manner. For example, an overweight guy using gear while dieting will hold more lean tissue than a guy who is not using gear thereby creating a higher metabolic rate...not to mention some steroids have been shown to have a direct effect on adipose tissue.

When I say an "Overweight Guy" I'm not talking obese, I'm simply talking about a guy with a little more body fat than need be. Yes, if your body fat was extremely high and you started a cycle you may be at a greater risk of side-effects. There is a chance your estrogen levels are already higher than need be and you may have serious problems with blood pressure and cholesterol. However, for a guy in the 15%-20% range I see gear as a very helpful tool.

[abijahmaniaco]

This may be totally bro-science, but when i compare roid users in the gym, fat people just don't seem to get any results out of it.

true. i've witnessed this. two dudes on same gear. train together and everything. skinny dude turns into monster; fat dude just gets bloofier.